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[Ninja Stan]

This is a reminder that name-calling and insults are not permitted in the forums. We can disagree with each other without resorting to childish behaviour. So play nice, please. Thank you.

[Yakko77]

Seboist wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Given how easily destroyed the Collector cruiser was by an unupgraded Normandy, they could've had a small fleet of cruisers stationed around the Omega 4 relay, ready to intercept any Collector cruiser that jumped through, thus cutting off the Collectors from the rest of the galaxy, unable to continue abducting humans.

It really is something how the IQ of everyone else drops to the negative digits in order to make the collectors seem like an actual "threat", give the kiddies their power trip and justify the idiotic "Dark and edgy" working with Cerberus plot.

Especially as a Sole Survivor (SS) Shepard.  With the other backgrounds it was at least semi-plausible but with SS Shep, from the get go I was like... no way.  Thanks for resurecting me and all but go F yourself Cerberus.

They stopped caring about the backgrounds in general in the sequels. You'd also think there would be something special for Sole Survivor in Grunt's loyalty mission with that whole business of fighting a thresher maw or Spacer Shep getting some unique lines in Tali's mission but lol nope.

Yeah, a lot of missed opportunities.  ME2 was fun albeit flawed for these oversights.

Given the criticism for ME2 (as mentioned above), the rage for DA2 (much of which I didn't always agree though DA:O did have it's story advantages)  and the outright nerd rage over ME3 (as far as the ending and the handling of the Geth I did agree with) ... I just hope and pray that BW is in fact listening.  I have high hopes for DA3 and I hope ME4 doesn't start with green glowy eyes and such from the horrific Synthesis Ending.

[GimmeDaGun]

I agree with Mr. Hanar on this one: I don't see an ending related SP dlc to come out (especially after the EC) and there are several reasonable reasons why it wouldn't work. And I mean no harm to those who wish for it actually. 

Though, this thread is really a classy way to ****** some poeple off. I don't see what's the point, but anyway...

I think everybody has the right to hope for something even if it is a bit delusional, but if the actual thing does not meet his or her expectations, there should be no ranting afterwads from the person's part, since it's him or her who's responsible for his or her very disappointment.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:21 .

[GimmeDaGun]

BleedingUranium wrote...

IT has no headcanon, as we didn't make anything up.

It's not head-canon, but an interpretation. Taking the story for what it is and for how it actually plays out on the screen is a very valid interpretation as well (imo a bit stronger than IT... I'm not too big on these conspiracy theories which find clues in every single bush and corner).

The point is that your theory uses ingame material to create a system of logic which gives one way to interpret the story. It's cool, but you can't force it upon others to take it as canon. 

And you should not be surprised if it turns out that Bioware never intended deliberately people to interpret their story this way, and if they never address it: in short, if you don't get and actual piece of dlc which will reveal the "truth".  We already know that the new ME game won't be about Shepard. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:22 .

[BleedingUranium]

At least you acknowledged it's an interpretation, not headcanon. But do you really think that an interpretation full of plot holes and impossibilities us as valid as one that has none?

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

At least you acknowledged it's an interpretation, not headcanon. But do you really think that an interpretation full of plot holes and impossibilities us as valid as one that has none?

What you mean to say is that ME3's writing is full with plot holes and inconsistencies and that the IT is just apologetic to bad writing and a bunch of mental gymnastics to work around earlier mentioned plot holes and inconsistencies.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 janvier 2013 - 07:24 .

[BleedingUranium]

"You'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

"You'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

the glaring plot holes and inconsistencies aren't my opinion, they are a fact.

"omg it's IT" is your pipe dream.

[Sebby]

BleedingUranium wrote...

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

Retcons like "Protheans lost because they didn't embrace diversity!" or "ah yes reapers" and schlock like turning humans into goo to form a giant baby arnold because of nonexistent "genetic diversity" is factually crap writing.

[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

Retcons like "Protheans lost because they didn't embrace diversity!" or "ah yes reapers" and schlock like turning humans into goo to form a giant baby arnold because of nonexistent "genetic diversity" is factually crap writing.

Seboist is right on this one.  Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's false.

[David7204]

No. It's simply crap analysis. Of course, that's fairly unavoidable if you're going to get your arguments from parroting Youtube videos.

[Applepie_Svk]

anorling wrote...


Of course it won't be post-ending. They've said as much.

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

A.H

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 21 janvier 2013 - 07:39 .

[Maxster_]

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

And yes I know you can play both before suicide mission, I even tried it. But the way dialogue and plot is made, makes me pretty sure they take place after SM. Especially arrival cause otherwise Collectors plot would serve no purpose. 

The Collector plot doesn't serve a purpose regardless of when you play Arrival.

The Collector threat was just monster of the week sort of thing. By the end of ME2, the galaxy wasn't anymore prepared for the Reapers' arrival than they were in the beginning of the game. In fact, w/ the whole "Ah, yes. Reapers" thing, the galaxy was even worse off at the end.

The Collector "threat" was also overhyped nonsense. The game wanted us to believe these weakling bug drones with their glorified transport ship that flees from a handful of anti-aircraft guns and gets taken out by an unupgraded SR-2 with ease was capable of harvesting the entire Alliance to build their space terminator.

People like to say what a joke Kai Leng was as an antagonist but the Collectors are in the same boat.

More funny is, that it is expected that this lone collector's cruiser, easily destroyed by a single frigate, is enough to take out whole Systems Alliance fleet, which is one of the major fleets in the galaxy.
Riiight

Also, Harbringer is an idiot, with his idiotic plan to destroy Systems Alliance with one weak cruiser.

[Maxster_]

Seboist wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

Retcons like "Protheans lost because they didn't embrace diversity!" or "ah yes reapers" and schlock like turning humans into goo to form a giant baby arnold because of nonexistent "genetic diversity" is factually crap writing.

Does that garbage idea, that protheans knew about reapers threat in advance, also comes from him?

[BleedingUranium]

Seboist wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

Retcons like "Protheans lost because they didn't embrace diversity!" or "ah yes reapers" and schlock like turning humans into goo to form a giant baby arnold because of nonexistent "genetic diversity" is factually crap writing.

You're falsely thinking reveals are retcons.

[Steelcan]

Yes ME2 is filler, and isn't exactly quality writing in terms of the villains. But I still love it

[fiendishchicken]

ME2 is filler in hindsight with ME3 (though I wish it hadn't been).

The overall plot was kind of weak, but for me, it was the characters and the atmosphere that made the game for me.

It's why I personally think it's the best video game of all time.

[Sebby]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Seboist wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

Retcons like "Protheans lost because they didn't embrace diversity!" or "ah yes reapers" and schlock like turning humans into goo to form a giant baby arnold because of nonexistent "genetic diversity" is factually crap writing.

You're falsely thinking reveals are retcons.

How is Council/Udina going from recognizing the Reaper threat and preparing for war to "ah res Reapers" a "reveal"? Lol.

Or how Vigil said the Protheans were doomed from a get-go from a surprise decapication strike and loss of the relays in ME1 to not holding hands with other species and singing "we are the world" according to Javik in 3?

Modifié par Seboist, 21 janvier 2013 - 07:47 .

[Sebby]

Steelcan wrote...

Yes ME2 is filler, and isn't exactly quality writing in terms of the villains. But I still love it

I enjoyed it as a game and there were enjoyable characters in it but as a sequel it was the death knell of the series.

[Maxster_]

Steelcan wrote...

Yes ME2 is filler, and isn't exactly quality writing in terms of the villains. But I still love it

Javik is a "retroactive foreshadowing" through paid DLC, just like Levithans. And makes as much sense as those idiots.
That's what happens when you have no idea how to write coherent and consistent story.

[BleedingUranium]

Seboist wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Seboist wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

"Bad riting lulz" is your opinion.

Retcons like "Protheans lost because they didn't embrace diversity!" or "ah yes reapers" and schlock like turning humans into goo to form a giant baby arnold because of nonexistent "genetic diversity" is factually crap writing.

You're falsely thinking reveals are retcons.

How is Council/Udina going from recognizing the Reaper threat and preparing for war to "ah res Reapers" a "reveal"? Lol.

Or how Vigil said the Protheans were doomed from a get-go from a surprise decapication strike and loss of the relays in ME1 to not holding hands with other species and singing "we are the world" according to Javik in 3?

They're politicians. No further explaination is required.

How do those not work at the same time?

[RukiaKuchki]

I'm sure we're going to hear some news about the upcoming DLC pretty soon... so we'll just have to wait and see who's right and who's wrong! Either way, I'm in. The more ME for me the better :-)

[David7204]

Neither of those things are Retcons.

First of all, more often then not, that's how government works. People support one thing one day and another thing the next depending on what's convenient at the time. Depending on what looks good. What emotions are fresh at the time. The BSN should be very familiar with that, considering how often I see it in the arguments here. The idea that any real-life government would build a bajillion dreadnoughts in preparation is absurd.

As for Vigil and Javik, I think it should be incredibly obvious that different people in different places at different times would have different perspectives on an event. It makes perfect sense that Vigil would consider the fight to be 'over' once the major cities and planets had been conquered but Javik would see the war as ongoing.

[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Yes ME2 is filler, and isn't exactly quality writing in terms of the villains. But I still love it

I enjoyed it as a game and there were enjoyable characters in it but as a sequel it was the death knell of the series.

The story was definitely worse than ME1, as was the RP.  But I think it had a better atmosphere to it.  Shepard felt like part of the galaxy, not separate from it.

Also I was raised on FPS.  ME2 gave the combat a much needed over haul.

[David7204]

Overall, the BSN has proven to be incredibly incapable of understanding what a retcon is. Hence we have absolutely ridiculous accusations like Bryson's speculations about the rachni being a retcon. Like the completely intentional discrepency between Samara's information on Ardat-Yakshi and the codex's being a retcon.

Modifié par David7204, 21 janvier 2013 - 07:57 .