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[turaco]

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...



Relating to the options for more explicit content or less explicit, I really like that Idea, and that way bioware can apeal to a wider audience. 
I personally dont think the violence in the da games are bad at all. There defintely is a difference between choppings some ones head off, and watching porn.

The violence in DA; decapitation, throats getting slit, stabbing people in the back, front, side, face, slaughtering hordes, setting enemies on fire, these things aren't as bad as some "nudity"? There is a difference between decapitation and watching porn, though judging from your comment I can't decide which one you think is worse.

I think nudity is worse. The violence is fine. I think the nudity is not needed.

[SafetyShattered]

DinoSteve wrote...

Its still shocks me that nudity in media offends so many people yet everyone is fine with violence in media.

I agree with this completely. It blows my mind. People can be so stupid sometimes.

[Blackrising]

I doubt Bioware is going to add anymore nudity than what was present in DA:O and DA2.

Which is completly fine with me. I don't mind seeing boobies, but it's not something I actively look for in my games. Witcher 2, for example, was too much in that regard. The first scene with the main character and that naked chick in bed was very off-putting for me. I haven't touched that game since.
So yeah, fade-to-black is fine. I am completly capable of filling that particular void with my imagination if I so desire and I don't have to live in fear of bad animations and creepy skeleton-hands.

[DarthPig]

turaco wrote...

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...



Relating to the options for more explicit content or less explicit, I really like that Idea, and that way bioware can apeal to a wider audience. 
I personally dont think the violence in the da games are bad at all. There defintely is a difference between choppings some ones head off, and watching porn.

The violence in DA; decapitation, throats getting slit, stabbing people in the back, front, side, face, slaughtering hordes, setting enemies on fire, these things aren't as bad as some "nudity"? There is a difference between decapitation and watching porn, though judging from your comment I can't decide which one you think is worse.

I think nudity is worse. The violence is fine. I think the nudity is not needed.

In what world do you live in that seeing a naked human (or human-shaped being) is worse than decapitation? That is one messed up world.

[turaco]

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...



Relating to the options for more explicit content or less explicit, I really like that Idea, and that way bioware can apeal to a wider audience. 
I personally dont think the violence in the da games are bad at all. There defintely is a difference between choppings some ones head off, and watching porn.

The violence in DA; decapitation, throats getting slit, stabbing people in the back, front, side, face, slaughtering hordes, setting enemies on fire, these things aren't as bad as some "nudity"? There is a difference between decapitation and watching porn, though judging from your comment I can't decide which one you think is worse.

I think nudity is worse. The violence is fine. I think the nudity is not needed.

In what world do you live in that seeing a naked human (or human-shaped being) is worse than decapitation? That is one messed up world.

Because violence is necessary in our world, my countries troops and others as well die to protect my country, and they have kill and interrogate people in brutal ways. But nudity is not needed, infact it is demeaning to women. Women have more to them then their bodies, and how good they are in bed and the alike. If you want nudity in games so u can get your jollies, then what ever. I just hope theyll put and option in this game. 

[Renmiri1]

Zardoc wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

It would be very nice if there were gore and sex settings in the next game. That would allow the sex and violence crowd to enjoy the game as much as those who wish a milder experience.

Or, alternatively, people who don't want mature content in their games just don't buy any games with mature content in them.

Agreed 100%

To the OP, you are definitely an example of my point. You are 15, you should have never played a 17+ game. You buy something that is innapropriate for your age then complayin it is shocking to you ?

Your parents shouldn't have allowed you to play games for above your age,  and it seems they allowed as long as it was not sexual content. The end result is that you are completely dessentized to blood and gore and ashamed of yours or someone else's body. Nipples are no more "horrid" than a severed head rolling down the stairs. It is sad to see a 15 year old so confused that he thinks the severed head is cool and the nipples are somehow not part of a "good honest man's" life.

You do realize your parents are good honest people and they do have sexual lives right ? But I bet not one person on your family beheads enemies. Yet to you the "normal" is the beheading. 

That is what I meant about obeying the ESRB ratings. People with years of research on child development did those ratings for a reason. They know what damage a partial exposure to topics you are not mature enough to understand do to kids. You should abide by them. I do. My kids never play anything I have not reviewed myself. 

[Blackrising]

turaco wrote...

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...



Relating to the options for more explicit content or less explicit, I really like that Idea, and that way bioware can apeal to a wider audience. 
I personally dont think the violence in the da games are bad at all. There defintely is a difference between choppings some ones head off, and watching porn.

The violence in DA; decapitation, throats getting slit, stabbing people in the back, front, side, face, slaughtering hordes, setting enemies on fire, these things aren't as bad as some "nudity"? There is a difference between decapitation and watching porn, though judging from your comment I can't decide which one you think is worse.

I think nudity is worse. The violence is fine. I think the nudity is not needed.

In what world do you live in that seeing a naked human (or human-shaped being) is worse than decapitation? That is one messed up world.

Because violence is necessary in our world, my countries troops and others as well die to protect my country, and they have kill and interrogate people in brutal ways. But nudity is not needed, infact it is demeaning to women. Women have more to them then their bodies, and how good they are in bed and the alike. If you want nudity in games so u can get your jollies, then what ever. I just hope theyll put and option in this game. 

Well, nudity is kind of needed...otherwise none of us would have been...y'know...'made'.
And how is nudity demeaning to women? There's nothing wrong with showing naked women if it fits the context. Problems will only occurr if these women are objectivied.

[DarthPig]

turaco wrote...

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...



Relating to the options for more explicit content or less explicit, I really like that Idea, and that way bioware can apeal to a wider audience. 
I personally dont think the violence in the da games are bad at all. There defintely is a difference between choppings some ones head off, and watching porn.

The violence in DA; decapitation, throats getting slit, stabbing people in the back, front, side, face, slaughtering hordes, setting enemies on fire, these things aren't as bad as some "nudity"? There is a difference between decapitation and watching porn, though judging from your comment I can't decide which one you think is worse.

I think nudity is worse. The violence is fine. I think the nudity is not needed.

In what world do you live in that seeing a naked human (or human-shaped being) is worse than decapitation? That is one messed up world.

Because violence is necessary in our world, my countries troops and others as well die to protect my country, and they have kill and interrogate people in brutal ways. But nudity is not needed, infact it is demeaning to women. Women have more to them then their bodies, and how good they are in bed and the alike. If you want nudity in games so u can get your jollies, then what ever. I just hope theyll put and option in this game. 

Of course ignoring the fact that sex is absolutely necessary in our world. You really want to say that violence is necessary for the world but sex isn't? You wouldn't be here if your parents didn't get naked and have sex. Nudity in and of itself is in no way demeaning to anybody. Showing a person naked doesn't demean them. The human body is beautiful etc. etc.

[Renmiri1]

OP if nudity wasn't part of "honest good" people's lives most of us, including you, would have never been born.

Beheading on the other hand is not needed, has never been needed. Is an awful hateful thing to do to an enemy.

You have been very damaged by playing games above your age group. I hope you stop and wait to play them after you have more life experience.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 21 janvier 2013 - 04:17 .

[turaco]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

It would be very nice if there were gore and sex settings in the next game. That would allow the sex and violence crowd to enjoy the game as much as those who wish a milder experience.

Or, alternatively, people who don't want mature content in their games just don't buy any games with mature content in them.

Agreed 100%

To the OP, you are definitely an example of my point. You are 15, you should have never played a 17+ game. You buy something that is innapropriate for your age then complayin it is shocking to you ?

Your parents shouldn't have allowed you to play games for above your age,  and it seems they allowed as long as it was not sexual content. The end result is that you are completely dessentized to blood and gore and ashamed of yours or someone else's body. Nipples are no more "horrid" than a severed head rolling down the stairs. It is sad to see a 15 year old so confused that he thinks the severed head is cool and the nipples are somehow not part of a "good honest man's" life.

You do realize your parents are good honest people and they do have sexual lives right ? But I bet not one person on your family beheads enemies. Yet to you the "normal" is the beheading. 

That is what I meant about obeying the ESRB ratings. People with years of research on child development did those ratings for a reason. They know what damage a partial exposure to topics you are not mature enough to understand do to kids. You should abide by them. I do. My kids never play anything I have not reviewed myself. 

Okay yes i bought the game and modded it so it was clean, and i am not complaing., but It would be nicer if there was just a option to clothe them more. Beheading is not normal, but I do not think that it is as bad as nudity. Yes my parents have sexual lives but guess what their married. Umm no none of my family beheades their enemies. But I can tell you if anyone tried to hurt me or my family , and come into my house and do so I would shoot them as many times till they died. But you do realize that a game violence is not real, but porn is a reallity and comes in many forms, and so it can come into video games.  And supposely I am confused 15 year old. No I know that nudity and porn is a gross apeal for men to get their jollies, and frankly its disgusting that men do this , its demeaning to women. 
I am not trying to offend anyone, and I am sorry if i keep causing arguements, I just want bioware to know that it would be really nice if they didnt put any more mature content thatn DA:O, and it would be awesome if they put options to graphic content.
I am sorry if i have caused offense. 

[Satanicponies]

Good lord, sideboob is worse then someone getting their head chopped off?

[turaco]

I am sorry, for all the arguing I have done, and yes I do realize that sex, aka reproduction is necessary, but I believe that sex belongs in a marriage between a man and women and does not belong in explicit detail in video games. Thats what I believe, say what you will. And I say again I am sorry for the offense I have caused. I ask you guys to forgive me for arguing with you guys. like i said before I just wanted Bioware to know that it would be really nice if they didnt put any more mature content thatn DA:O, and it would be awesome if they put options to graphic content.

[Matchy Pointy]

turaco wrote...

DarthPig wrote...

turaco wrote...



Relating to the options for more explicit content or less explicit, I really like that Idea, and that way bioware can apeal to a wider audience. 
I personally dont think the violence in the da games are bad at all. There defintely is a difference between choppings some ones head off, and watching porn.

The violence in DA; decapitation, throats getting slit, stabbing people in the back, front, side, face, slaughtering hordes, setting enemies on fire, these things aren't as bad as some "nudity"? There is a difference between decapitation and watching porn, though judging from your comment I can't decide which one you think is worse.

I think nudity is worse. The violence is fine. I think the nudity is not needed.

So...its okay to kill people left and right but not to see a naked lady? Or a naked guy for that matter, which usually seem even worse for some reason.

Modifié par Matchy Pointy, 21 janvier 2013 - 04:29 .

[turaco]

Satanicponies wrote...

Good lord, sideboob is worse then someone getting their head chopped off?

no I do not believe that, I was saying violence in general. head chopping off is borderline on how much violence I think is appropiate in a video game.

[DarthPig]

Renmiri1 wrote...

OP if nudity wasn't part of "honest good" people's lives most of us, including you, would have never been born.

Beheading on the other hand is not needed, has never been needed. Is an awful hateful thing to do to an enemy.

You have been very damaged by playing games above your age group. I hope you stop and wait to play them after you have more life experience.

This. Exactly what I've been saying, you just said it better.

[Steppenwolf]

If you're so offended by the sight of nudity I would suggest reading the ratings on the backs of the packages. It tells you what's in the game as far as mature content.
But nudity isn't a prerequisite for sexual obscenity though, I guess. EDI was sporting a deep ****** in ME3...

[Renmiri1]

turaco wrote...

I am sorry, for all the arguing I have done, and yes I do realize that sex, aka reproduction is necessary, but I believe that sex belongs in a marriage between a man and women and does not belong in explicit detail in video games. Thats what I believe, say what you will. And I say again I am sorry for the offense I have caused. I ask you guys to forgive me for arguing with you guys. like i said before I just wanted Bioware to know that it would be really nice if they didnt put any more mature content thatn DA:O, and it would be awesome if they put options to graphic content.

I would argue that you should not have played DAO and DAA had broodmothers with bare breasts, 6 of them at least (!) so you should definitely not play those as well.

Look you are not my kid, and it is up to your parents to raise you as they see fit. But you and your parents should realize that there IS a rating system and there are adult people who buy games. If you and your parents are not going to abide by the ESRB, then have your folks watch the game on youtube or do some research, there are lots of sitees that tell parents when nudity, cussing or violence is on a game or movie.

What I disagree is your desire to infantilize the mature games. Sure would be nice if Bioware did an option to clothe demons and I think they have an option to remove the blood, but when it comes down to it, you are not the target for 17+ games so you play them - and your parents allow it - at your own risk.

Btw, I am a woman, mother of 2 and I do not feel objectified by nudity. And I definitely do not consider "porn" is anything on DA2 or DAO or DAA. But I am not your parent!  I'm surprised your parents allow you to play DA if they consider those mild naked scenes "porn". Are you sure you got their permission ?

[DarthPig]

turaco wrote...

Beheading is not normal, but I do not think that it is as bad as nudity.

Seriously?

Modifié par DarthPig, 21 janvier 2013 - 04:43 .

[keioken]

OP is trolling right?

Beheading someone is good guy hero-ish, but good guy hero's parents conceiving him is unnatural and wrong. Not to mention that there is SO MUCH MORE to "Mature Content" than sex and violence, and I for one, would love to play a DA game that makes me think about the moral ramifications of my actions, and how they are going to affect Thedas, rather than how to get a fade to black scene with the NPC of my choice.

[Matchy Pointy]

turaco wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

It would be very nice if there were gore and sex settings in the next game. That would allow the sex and violence crowd to enjoy the game as much as those who wish a milder experience.

Or, alternatively, people who don't want mature content in their games just don't buy any games with mature content in them.

Agreed 100%

To the OP, you are definitely an example of my point. You are 15, you should have never played a 17+ game. You buy something that is innapropriate for your age then complayin it is shocking to you ?

Your parents shouldn't have allowed you to play games for above your age,  and it seems they allowed as long as it was not sexual content. The end result is that you are completely dessentized to blood and gore and ashamed of yours or someone else's body. Nipples are no more "horrid" than a severed head rolling down the stairs. It is sad to see a 15 year old so confused that he thinks the severed head is cool and the nipples are somehow not part of a "good honest man's" life.

You do realize your parents are good honest people and they do have sexual lives right ? But I bet not one person on your family beheads enemies. Yet to you the "normal" is the beheading. 

That is what I meant about obeying the ESRB ratings. People with years of research on child development did those ratings for a reason. They know what damage a partial exposure to topics you are not mature enough to understand do to kids. You should abide by them. I do. My kids never play anything I have not reviewed myself. 

Okay yes i bought the game and modded it so it was clean, and i am not complaing., but It would be nicer if there was just a option to clothe them more. Beheading is not normal, but I do not think that it is as bad as nudity. Yes my parents have sexual lives but guess what their married. Umm no none of my family beheades their enemies. But I can tell you if anyone tried to hurt me or my family , and come into my house and do so I would shoot them as many times till they died. But you do realize that a game violence is not real, but porn is a reallity and comes in many forms, and so it can come into video games.  And supposely I am confused 15 year old. No I know that nudity and porn is a gross apeal for men to get their jollies, and frankly its disgusting that men do this , its demeaning to women. 
I am not trying to offend anyone, and I am sorry if i keep causing arguements, I just want bioware to know that it would be really nice if they didnt put any more mature content thatn DA:O, and it would be awesome if they put options to graphic content.
I am sorry if i have caused offense. 

So, virtual violence is not real, but virtual nudity is?

[DarthPig]

keioken wrote...

OP is trolling right?

Must be. Has to be. RIght?

[keioken]

DarthPig wrote...

keioken wrote...

OP is trolling right?

Must be. Has to be. RIght?

One can only hope, lol.

[Renmiri1]

keioken wrote...

OP is trolling right?

Beheading someone is good guy hero-ish, but good guy hero's parents conceiving him is unnatural and wrong. Not to mention that there is SO MUCH MORE to "Mature Content" than sex and violence, and I for one, would love to play a DA game that makes me think about the moral ramifications of my actions, and how they are going to affect Thedas, rather than how to get a fade to black scene with the NPC of my choice.

This!

Heck, we have a terrorist blowing up a church on DA2. I myself mother of 2, way past 17 agonized with that fact and the decisions to take. Yet the OP is apparently perfectly fine with it, but nipples are eeevil.


/ facepalm

[Xilizhra]

I'd say that a good percentage of the DA fanbase isn't mature enough to handle a great deal of mature content, given the badly derailed romance thread we were just on.

However, this thread is lulzworthy. I would, to be honest, suspect that it would not be in the interests of people who only believe that sex is good in a heterosexual marriage to play a game allowing one to be bisexual but not to marry anyone. But maybe that's just me.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 21 janvier 2013 - 04:52 .

[Blackrising]

turaco wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

It would be very nice if there were gore and sex settings in the next game. That would allow the sex and violence crowd to enjoy the game as much as those who wish a milder experience.

Or, alternatively, people who don't want mature content in their games just don't buy any games with mature content in them.

Agreed 100%

To the OP, you are definitely an example of my point. You are 15, you should have never played a 17+ game. You buy something that is innapropriate for your age then complayin it is shocking to you ?

Your parents shouldn't have allowed you to play games for above your age,  and it seems they allowed as long as it was not sexual content. The end result is that you are completely dessentized to blood and gore and ashamed of yours or someone else's body. Nipples are no more "horrid" than a severed head rolling down the stairs. It is sad to see a 15 year old so confused that he thinks the severed head is cool and the nipples are somehow not part of a "good honest man's" life.

You do realize your parents are good honest people and they do have sexual lives right ? But I bet not one person on your family beheads enemies. Yet to you the "normal" is the beheading. 

That is what I meant about obeying the ESRB ratings. People with years of research on child development did those ratings for a reason. They know what damage a partial exposure to topics you are not mature enough to understand do to kids. You should abide by them. I do. My kids never play anything I have not reviewed myself. 

Okay yes i bought the game and modded it so it was clean, and i am not complaing., but It would be nicer if there was just a option to clothe them more. Beheading is not normal, but I do not think that it is as bad as nudity. Yes my parents have sexual lives but guess what their married. Umm no none of my family beheades their enemies. But I can tell you if anyone tried to hurt me or my family , and come into my house and do so I would shoot them as many times till they died. But you do realize that a game violence is not real, but porn is a reallity and comes in many forms, and so it can come into video games.  And supposely I am confused 15 year old. No I know that nudity and porn is a gross apeal for men to get their jollies, and frankly its disgusting that men do this , its demeaning to women. 
I am not trying to offend anyone, and I am sorry if i keep causing arguements, I just want bioware to know that it would be really nice if they didnt put any more mature content thatn DA:O, and it would be awesome if they put options to graphic content.
I am sorry if i have caused offense. 

Oh dear.
Sweetie, I hope you realize that many women watch porn as well? Sexual desires are a natural part of us and while I can't speak for all women, I personally don't see how porn is demeaning to women.

And honestly, I think you should simply not play games that are rated mature. You are fifteen and judging by your posts (whis is in no way meant to be offensive), I think you might want to wait a few years, get some of those pampleths with these funny titles that tell teenagers how it's perfectly fine to love your own body, and then come back and play DA.
In the meantime, there are lots of wonderful Fantasy RPGs that don't contain any nudity at all. Might want to try those.