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[noobcannon]

IT. no joke.

[Genetic Destiny]

HiddenInWar wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...

The eagles rescued him.

whY AM I LAUGHING SO HARD 

And that movie's on right now ROFL.

[JesseLee202]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Don't you guys have an IT grew to discuss this stuff?

I'm not an Indoctrination Theory follower. It's a bunch of malarky.

Same here, but what was his goal for making this?

"My ending is bettererr than yours!"?

[Seboist]

noobcannon wrote...

IT. no joke.

IT has always been a joke.

[NM_Che56]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Some very ill-informed people have tried to claim that Shepard could survive any of the following:

-Destroy tube explosion
-Destroy wave
-20km wide explosion originating from where he is

And if they claim he is on Earth (still literal):

-Being in space without a sealed suit
-Reentering Earth's atmosphere
-Hitting the ground


Shepard could maybe have survived one of these things, and only one: the Destroy tube explosion.

Let's have a look, shall we?

Oh look, Shepard is completely incinerated. And no, you can't claim that it's just the character model disappearing, because there are very obvious scorch marks on the ground. And yes, this is visible without flycam, so you can't claim that either.

Shepard is completely vaporized. Explain the breath scene without using "bad riting" or handwaving.

*scratches head*

So one can be vaporized, but yet still have at least a torso and other body parts to draw breath?

Kinda negates the whole "vaporized" scenario, since that would literally mean that Shepard is vapor (i.e. gas).

[Jadebaby]

anorling wrote...

Dropkicks4ever2 wrote...

Clearly you all missed the obvious, the doctor saved Shepard... duh. Besides.. wibbly wobbbly timey whimey. I rest my case.

So far this is probably the most plausible explanation as to how Shepard could survive 

That... is irrefutable!

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Master Che wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Some very ill-informed people have tried to claim that Shepard could survive any of the following:

-Destroy tube explosion
-Destroy wave
-20km wide explosion originating from where he is

And if they claim he is on Earth (still literal):

-Being in space without a sealed suit
-Reentering Earth's atmosphere
-Hitting the ground


Shepard could maybe have survived one of these things, and only one: the Destroy tube explosion.

Let's have a look, shall we?

Oh look, Shepard is completely incinerated. And no, you can't claim that it's just the character model disappearing, because there are very obvious scorch marks on the ground. And yes, this is visible without flycam, so you can't claim that either.

Shepard is completely vaporized. Explain the breath scene without using "bad riting" or handwaving.

*scratches head*

So one can be vaporized, but yet still have at least a torso and other body parts to draw breath?

Kinda negates the whole "vaporized" scenario, since that would literally mean that Shepard is vapor (i.e. gas).

>Scorch marks on ground
>engulfed in huge fiery explosion with little armor
>breath scene negates all of the above without any explanation whatsoever besides existing

Okay.

[KBomb]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well for one thing, Bioware doesn't intend for players to use things like flycam and look under the game's hood at all the inner mechanisms and workings.

Most likely scenario, they didn't feel it was worth the extra budget money to make a "Shepard doesn't get incinerated" version of the cutscene that you could only see the difference of by hacking the game.

This should be /thread.

Afterall, they had to make an EC just to make sense of all the "wtf" moments they left in the final game and in spite of that, there are still head-scratching moments throughout the game that the EC didn't cover. Most likely due to the fact they were far too huge to fix or just too small to care about; explosion graphics being on of them. It was there for the awe factor. I just don't think Bioware made all of these 'Da vinci Code' moments on purpose that supports the IT.

[Steelcan]

Steelcan wrote...
. Yes it is illogical and nonsensical, but it's not evidence of anything beyond "awesomeness trumping logic"

I fell like this needs to be reposted

[NM_Che56]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Master Che wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Some very ill-informed people have tried to claim that Shepard could survive any of the following:

-Destroy tube explosion
-Destroy wave
-20km wide explosion originating from where he is

And if they claim he is on Earth (still literal):

-Being in space without a sealed suit
-Reentering Earth's atmosphere
-Hitting the ground


Shepard could maybe have survived one of these things, and only one: the Destroy tube explosion.

Let's have a look, shall we?

Oh look, Shepard is completely incinerated. And no, you can't claim that it's just the character model disappearing, because there are very obvious scorch marks on the ground. And yes, this is visible without flycam, so you can't claim that either.

Shepard is completely vaporized. Explain the breath scene without using "bad riting" or handwaving.

*scratches head*

So one can be vaporized, but yet still have at least a torso and other body parts to draw breath?

Kinda negates the whole "vaporized" scenario, since that would literally mean that Shepard is vapor (i.e. gas).

>Scorch marks on ground
>engulfed in huge fiery explosion with little armor
>breath scene negates all of the above without any explanation whatsoever besides existing

Okay.

OP asserts shepard is vaporized.  This is false, as shepard is still in solid form (at least between the head to the waist...can't draw breath without a brain).

You can argue with facts if you'd like, but if fire = vaporized, then there'd be no logs.  Get it?

[NM_Che56]

KBomb wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well for one thing, Bioware doesn't intend for players to use things like flycam and look under the game's hood at all the inner mechanisms and workings.

Most likely scenario, they didn't feel it was worth the extra budget money to make a "Shepard doesn't get incinerated" version of the cutscene that you could only see the difference of by hacking the game.

This should be /thread.

Afterall, they had to make an EC just to make sense of all the "wtf" moments they left in the final game and in spite of that, there are still head-scratching moments throughout the game that the EC didn't cover. Most likely due to the fact they were far too huge to fix or just too small to care about; explosion graphics being on of them. It was there for the awe factor. I just don't think Bioware made all of these 'Da vinci Code' moments on purpose that supports the IT.

it should...but people try to disect frames from video games like they're looking for clues as to who shot JFK. 

The limits of current gaming technology...what?

HELL! According to literal ME reality, my van should be able to do a 90 degree vertical climb up a mountain! 

[Peranor]

HagarIshay wrote...

 Was it ever confirmed the Breath-scene happened at Earth? I don't remember, though I might have passed it. Anyway, if it was then I compeltley agree that the breath scene is impossible logically. However, if it wasn't, and the Breath scene could have happened on the Citadel (which makes much more sense, imo), then the Breath scene is possible to happen.

The only thing I've ever heard regarding where the breath scene takes place is from Jessica on the much beloved Twitter. And she kind of said that the breath scene in fact did take place on the Citadel.
(This doesn't make the breath scene any more believable though )

[Lokanaiya]

Seriously, how many of you people mocking IT have actually taken the time to learn about it?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Master Che wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

>Scorch marks on ground
>engulfed in huge fiery explosion with little armor
>breath scene negates all of the above without any explanation whatsoever besides existing

Okay.

OP asserts shepard is vaporized.  This is false, as shepard is still in solid form (at least between the head to the waist...can't draw breath without a brain).

You can argue with facts if you'd like, but if fire = vaporized, then there'd be no logs.  Get it?

Wow I am such a fool for taking in the bigger picture of what is going on regarding the breath scene and the ending in general!
In fact, let me apply that to real life where this can obviously also work by only basing things off the end result.
This metaphorical rain puddle was completely empty just hours ago, but now it is full of frogs without any explanation whatsoever, therefore the frogs MUST have come from the puddle.

Woweewow, the world is so clear to me now! 
Also you missed the explosion part and I've wasted enough time here.
I should go.

[NM_Che56]

you should. You're starting to argue with someone about something that is fictional and subject to technical glitches.

[Lokanaiya]

anorling wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

 Was it ever confirmed the Breath-scene happened at Earth? I don't remember, though I might have passed it. Anyway, if it was then I compeltley agree that the breath scene is impossible logically. However, if it wasn't, and the Breath scene could have happened on the Citadel (which makes much more sense, imo), then the Breath scene is possible to happen.

The only thing I've ever heard regarding where the breath scene takes place is from Jessica on the much beloved Twitter. And she kind of said that the breath scene in fact did take place on the Citadel.
(This doesn't make the breath scene any more believable though )

Jessica also said that Normandy crash landed on Earth until someone pointed out that the world had two moons, then she said it crash landed on Mars. I like Jessica, but I wouldn't take anything she says as undeniable truth...

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Well, that's a lot more believable than Shep re-entering Earth's atmosphere and somehow surviving.

[NM_Che56]

Let me make sure I'm understanding this argument:

Is the argument that:

A) This is not Shepard, but someone else wearing the N7 armor
One of the two events didn't really happen (either the fire or the breathing scene)

If not, then that means Shepard is breathing and either:
A) They got a little too carried away with the sparklies
The graphics...she don't always work like she's supposed to

What else is there to argue about?
I

[NM_Che56]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Well, that's a lot more believable than Shep re-entering Earth's atmosphere and somehow surviving.

I dunno, Shep is part synthetic and those geth (sythetics) can take an air drop w/ no parachute...


J/K! 

[Peranor]

Lokanaiya wrote...

anorling wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

 Was it ever confirmed the Breath-scene happened at Earth? I don't remember, though I might have passed it. Anyway, if it was then I compeltley agree that the breath scene is impossible logically. However, if it wasn't, and the Breath scene could have happened on the Citadel (which makes much more sense, imo), then the Breath scene is possible to happen.

The only thing I've ever heard regarding where the breath scene takes place is from Jessica on the much beloved Twitter. And she kind of said that the breath scene in fact did take place on the Citadel.
(This doesn't make the breath scene any more believable though )

Jessica also said that Normandy crash landed on Earth until someone pointed out that the world had two moons, then she said it crash landed on Mars. I like Jessica, but I wouldn't take anything she says as undeniable truth...

That is true, she may not be the most reliable of sources when it comes to these things. But this is all we got on the subject from anyone that could be called a Bioware official.

And besides it makes more sense for the breath scene to take place on... No wait, scratch that. Nothing about the scene makes any sense. No matter where it takes place.

Modifié par anorling, 21 janvier 2013 - 05:42 .

[Andy the Black]

Don't know if this has been brought up as I'm very tired and can't be arsed to go though 11 pages. But the Citadel erects mass effect fields around damaged areas to preserve life support. This could easily explain how Shep could of servied re-entry and any subsequent explosions. Also, he is not fully human, he is partially synthetic, including reinforced bone structure. This is my explanation pieced together from info had hand and I'm sticking to it.

JadeShepard wrote...

anorling wrote...

Dropkicks4ever2 wrote...

Clearly you all missed the obvious, the doctor saved Shepard... duh. Besides.. wibbly wobbbly timey whimey. I rest my case.

So far this is probably the most plausible explanation as to how Shepard could survive

That... is irrefutable!

Never mind. This is much better.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 21 janvier 2013 - 05:50 .

[Tup3x]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Some very ill-informed people have tried to claim that Shepard could survive any of the following:

-Destroy tube explosion
-Destroy wave
-20km wide explosion originating from where he is

And if they claim he is on Earth (still literal):

-Being in space without a sealed suit
-Reentering Earth's atmosphere
-Hitting the ground


Shepard could maybe have survived one of these things, and only one: the Destroy tube explosion.

Let's have a look, shall we?

Oh look, Shepard is completely incinerated. And no, you can't claim that it's just the character model disappearing, because there are very obvious scorch marks on the ground. And yes, this is visible without flycam, so you can't claim that either.

Shepard is completely vaporized. Explain the breath scene without using "bad riting" or handwaving.

Maybe she got beamed down they same way she came there...

[Massa FX]

The game is fictitious fun. We should stop over analyzing because none of Mass Effect really happened. Impossibly alive becomes possible because nothing is real anyway.

Shepard survives high EMS Destroy because that's what I believe. You can believe whatever you want. Because its All make-believe.

[3DandBeyond]

I never found it believable for Shepard to survive any of that. And the description of what Destroy supposedly does is almost as, if not as, stupid as the description for what synthesis does. No one can definitively say what it will do. It targets synthetics-even Shepard is part synthetic. So, that seems to mean that Shepard's synthetic parts will be targeted in some way. All tech will be damaged. Ok, that tech in Shepard will be damaged at the very least. That takes care of the inorganic parts.

Then, there will be losses but no more than have already occurred-whatever the hell that means. If EDI and the geth die that seems like more losses. Then, in the infinite wisdom of this game, an already badly injured Shepard must get within 5 feet of the tube for a little targeting thingy to pop up that says "see you can shoot it now". And Shepard just shoots and walks right into a blast that would instantly incinerate flesh. That takes care of the organic components within Shepard.

But noooooooooooo. Shepard either has concrete or asphalt or some other similarly composed sort of rock like mineral things fall on top of him/her either on the citadel where the kid is (makes no sense), in some other area of the citadel (like on an arm or something) or on Earth. And the torso seems to still be in one piece, so to speak. Hope is one thing, but this is about the suspension of disbelief. I hope in one ending for Shepard to be alive and not to have doomed the galaxy. But I can't overcome disbelief. We understand and are shown one thing and expected to simply believe another but that's based on nothing logical at all. Garbage in, garbage out.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 21 janvier 2013 - 05:58 .

[3DandBeyond]

anorling wrote...

That is true, she may not be the most reliable of sources when it comes to these things. But this is all we got on the subject from anyone that could be called a Bioware official.

And besides it makes more sense for the breath scene to take place on... No wait, scratch that. Nothing about the scene makes any sense. No matter where it takes place.

Unfortunately, she also said there would be a reunion scene and when called on it, she said there was one because it was implied.  She continually said Shepard was alive until others said the scene was showing Shepard was dead.  Then, when asked how there could be a reunion if Shepard was dead, she said that it was based on what the player wanted to have happen.  It was ambiguous on purpose so Shepard was either alive or dead, whatever you wanted. 

And others at BW have said other things.  CP said the scene was closure and not ambiguous at all.  He said that's the case because if you wanted Shepard dead, Shepard was dead and if you wanted him/her alive, the gasp is one of life.

Then, another (I think Gamble, but I may have that wrong), on twitter when asked why there was no reunion scene said initially there was not one because they didn't know people wanted one.  Then, a dev said there was not one because it would be too hard to customize one for everyone.  Then, the gasp was either Shepard dying or a beacon of hope.  Since the statements made about it being closure and not ambiguous, I have real doubts that it means anything to the devs.  They probably think it's super funny for us to comment on it at all.