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[OblivionDawn]

The scene's filename, suspension of disbelief, etc etc.

It's possible if the writer wants it to be.

[CynicalShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

I never really believed that's Shepard to begin with. There are plenty of N7 marines in the Alliance, some of them must have survived. Besides, Shepard's armor is smoked and he either doesn't have the N7 tags on him or they're not visible throughout the game. Could very well be another N7 who will be the main char of the next game. That or it just wasn't thoroughly thought-out

Wrong. It's Shepard. The file says so and Bioware has said so.

I don't care about what the file says. Data-mining isn't how I explain what's going on in a game. I know that Bioware said that "the LI refuses to think they're dead" but it doesn't make much sense to me unless the part of the Citadel he's on didn't get destroyed by a good stroke of luck and he didn't bleed to death before all fleets that ran away from the explosions came back and picked him up

So, handwaving then.

I don't think you've read everything I wrote. I said that the only way I see it happening is if the chamber with the god-kid didn't get destroyed by the blast and the breathing scene occurs on the Citadel. Then I proceded to say that I do not believe that to be the case and even if it were Shepard would bleed to death there before help arrives 

Modifié par CynicalShep, 21 janvier 2013 - 05:57 .

[Smeffects]

I always laugh at people trying to rationalise or ITise this ending, just face it, its just a freaking pile of steaming ****. If the staff of mass effect 3 were so wonderful, tell me how mass effect 2 main protagonist does not get a single line in the entire mass effect 3 story line is working out for you? What do you guys need to finally realise they did BAD? That final DLC to be crap again? It will be. Do you need the next mass effect to be a piece of turd completely unrelated to the previous triology? It will be. Stop wasting your god damn time fighting each other over a pile of ****. For christ sake dead people used to teleport back to the normandy in the original ending, they had to add some stupid ass normandy recovery to fix that, how stupid do they need to be?

Modifié par Smeffects, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:00 .

[BleedingUranium]

MacroSpamMK wrote...

He could've survived the tube blast and somehow made it to the beam which gave him a ride back to Earth.

I know we didn't see any visible point of re-entry for the beam but it is possible.

Nope.

[BleedingUranium]

Smeffects wrote...

I always laugh at people trying to rationalise or itise this ending, just face it, its just a freaking pile of steaming ****. If the staff of mass effect 3 were so wonderful, tell me how mass effect 2 main protagonist does not get a single line in the entire mass effect 3 story line is working out for you? What do you guys need to finally realise they did BAD? That final DLC to be crap again? It will be. Do you need the next mass effect to be a piece of turd completely unrelated to the previous triology? It will be. Stop wasting your god damn time fighting each other over a pile of ****.

So, "bad riting".

[MacroSpamMK]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...

He could've survived the tube blast and somehow made it to the beam which gave him a ride back to Earth.

I know we didn't see any visible point of re-entry for the beam but it is possible.

Nope.

Why not? The explosion is nasty but people have survived much worse than that and it also helps that Shepard has a lot of cybernetic implants which would make him a lot more durable than an average human.

[Argolas]

Sorry OP, if you claim that everything that is logically impossible didn't happen, you'll have to doubt the whole game.

[Smeffects]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

I always laugh at people trying to rationalise or itise this ending, just face it, its just a freaking pile of steaming ****. If the staff of mass effect 3 were so wonderful, tell me how mass effect 2 main protagonist does not get a single line in the entire mass effect 3 story line is working out for you? What do you guys need to finally realise they did BAD? That final DLC to be crap again? It will be. Do you need the next mass effect to be a piece of turd completely unrelated to the previous triology? It will be. Stop wasting your god damn time fighting each other over a pile of ****.

So, "bad riting".

Bad all around, your dead squad mates used to reapear on the normandy, they went out of their way to fix that with such a retarded scene before shepard even gets knocked down. So yeah, very, very, very bad. People try to rationalise that one too, well harbinger didnt want to stop them from leaving!!! Cool im sure hed just let a ship be stationary right next to him for a minute.

Modifié par Smeffects, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:03 .

[BleedingUranium]

MacroSpamMK wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...

He could've survived the tube blast and somehow made it to the beam which gave him a ride back to Earth.

I know we didn't see any visible point of re-entry for the beam but it is possible.

Nope.

Why not? The explosion is nasty but people have survived much worse than that and it also helps that Shepard has a lot of cybernetic implants which would make him a lot more durable than an average human.

While that may have been an okay argument, the video shows Shepard is completely incinerated. That was the main thing I was pointing out in this thread.

[BleedingUranium]

Argolas wrote...

Sorry OP, if you claim that everything that is logically impossible didn't happen, you'll have to doubt the whole game.

Unlikely is a staple of all fiction, but flat out impossible? Name me something else that is, mainly before the beam run.

Smeffects wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

I
always laugh at people trying to rationalise or itise this ending,
just face it, its just a freaking pile of steaming ****. If the staff of
mass effect 3 were so wonderful, tell me how mass effect 2 main
protagonist does not get a single line in the entire mass effect 3 story
line is working out for you? What do you guys need to finally realise
they did BAD? That final DLC to be crap again? It will be. Do you need
the next mass effect to be a piece of turd completely unrelated to the
previous triology? It will be. Stop wasting your god damn time fighting
each other over a pile of ****.

So, "bad riting".

Bad
all around, your dead squad mates used to reapear on the normandy, they
went out of their way to fix that with such a retarded scene before
shepard even gets knocked down. So yeah, very, very, very bad. People
try to rationalise that one too, well harbinger didnt want to stop them
from leaving!!! Cool im sure hed just let a ship be stationary right
next to him for a minute.

So, more "bad riting".

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:07 .

[Argolas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Sorry OP, if you claim that everything that is logically impossible didn't happen, you'll have to doubt the whole game.

Unlikely is a staple of all fiction, but flat out impossible? Name me something else.

Okay. Group conferences with QEC.

[BleedingUranium]

Argolas wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Sorry OP, if you claim that everything that is logically impossible didn't happen, you'll have to doubt the whole game.

Unlikely is a staple of all fiction, but flat out impossible? Name me something else.

Okay. Group conferences with QEC.

Mulitple pairs of particles.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:07 .

[MacroSpamMK]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...

He could've survived the tube blast and somehow made it to the beam which gave him a ride back to Earth.

I know we didn't see any visible point of re-entry for the beam but it is possible.

Nope.

Why not? The explosion is nasty but people have survived much worse than that and it also helps that Shepard has a lot of cybernetic implants which would make him a lot more durable than an average human.

While that may have been an okay argument, the video shows Shepard is completely incinerated. That was the main thing I was pointing out in this thread.

As viewed from flycam in a cutscene. Flycam, whilst a fun little tool to use, makes a lot of cutscenes look like jokes and half finished. It's not exclusive to Mass Effect.
In the original cutscene, we can't really tell what happens to Shepard.

And I'll chuck a bit of logic in. An explosion like that wouldn't incinerate Shepard that quickly or that thorougly unless it an abnormally high temperature explosion.
In the actual cutscene, we can't really see what happens to the Shepard in the explosion

[Smeffects]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Sorry OP, if you claim that everything that is logically impossible didn't happen, you'll have to doubt the whole game.

Unlikely is a staple of all fiction, but flat out impossible? Name me something else that is, mainly before the beam run.

Smeffects wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

I
always laugh at people trying to rationalise or itise this ending,
just face it, its just a freaking pile of steaming ****. If the staff of
mass effect 3 were so wonderful, tell me how mass effect 2 main
protagonist does not get a single line in the entire mass effect 3 story
line is working out for you? What do you guys need to finally realise
they did BAD? That final DLC to be crap again? It will be. Do you need
the next mass effect to be a piece of turd completely unrelated to the
previous triology? It will be. Stop wasting your god damn time fighting
each other over a pile of ****.

So, "bad riting".

Bad
all around, your dead squad mates used to reapear on the normandy, they
went out of their way to fix that with such a retarded scene before
shepard even gets knocked down. So yeah, very, very, very bad. People
try to rationalise that one too, well harbinger didnt want to stop them
from leaving!!! Cool im sure hed just let a ship be stationary right
next to him for a minute.

So, more "bad riting".

Yep try to explain the normandy pick up that takes place just before the IT theory kicks in with anything other then poor idea to make a cool scene?

[dreamgazer]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

I always laugh at people trying to rationalise or itise this ending, just face it, its just a freaking pile of steaming ****. If the staff of mass effect 3 were so wonderful, tell me how mass effect 2 main protagonist does not get a single line in the entire mass effect 3 story line is working out for you? What do you guys need to finally realise they did BAD? That final DLC to be crap again? It will be. Do you need the next mass effect to be a piece of turd completely unrelated to the previous triology? It will be. Stop wasting your god damn time fighting each other over a pile of ****.

So, "bad riting".

Is "implausible writing" better?

What do you expect of people who have to tolerate the likes of Kai Leng, "we fight or we die", and the forced adherence to constructing the Crucible? There very well might be a non-literal interpretation buried in all this, an intended one, but people have to cut through some extremely dubious narrative issues to get to it.

[Wolfva2]

Yeah! It is completely impossible that Shepard could have survived the explosion after being brought back from the dead where his body was nothing but a dessicated corpse to fight giant sentient space machines that could change their masses at will and fly faster then light that were created by other giant space aliens millions and millions of years ago that control people through super telepathy!

Dude? It's a STORY. Entertainment. It is NOT a 'History of the Universe'. Here's a shocker for you...the whole thing? Shepard? Reapers? Indoctrination? The kid with the Normandy model? It's ALL MADE UP. Shepard can survive the explosion for the same reason Captain America could survive decades stuck in the ice, the same reason Batman could return from the dead, the same reason Kieffer Sutherland's character in '24' can undergo stresses that would kill a dozen other men. He survived because the writers wanted him to. Don't like it? Well, you've cried us a river. Build a bridge and get over it already.

It's entertainment. If this was a movie you didn't like, you'd probably walk away . Sure, maybe you'd've written some nasty stuff on a webpage or 3, but a FREAKING YEAR LATER? I doubt it. move on with your life. Stop trying to convince those of us who liked it that we're wrong.

[Argolas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Argolas wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Sorry OP, if you claim that everything that is logically impossible didn't happen, you'll have to doubt the whole game.

Unlikely is a staple of all fiction, but flat out impossible? Name me something else.

Okay. Group conferences with QEC.

Mulitple pairs of particles.

"[...] the System is strictly point-to-point."

Edit: Okay, I'll add a little more. The Normandy has a QEC linked to Hackett's ship, that's believable. In order to contact Anderson, however, you'd need one QEC linked to each spot where Anderson is on earth. Even if the Normandy had that many QECs linked to earth prepared, a group conference is still not possible. Hackett and Anderson couldn't hear each other, only Shepard.

Modifié par Argolas, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:15 .

[BleedingUranium]

Argolas wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Okay. Group conferences with QEC.

Mulitple pairs of particles.

"[...] the System is strictly point-to-point."

Edit: Okay, I'll add a little more. The Normandy has a QEC linked to Hackett's ship, that's believable. In order to contact Anderson, however, you'd need one QEC linked to each spot where Anderson is on earth. Even if the Normandy had that many QECs linked to earth prepared, a group conference is still not possible. Hackett and Anderson couldn't hear each other, only Shepard.

Shepard and Hackett, Shepard and Anderson, Hackett and Anderson. It's not technically a group discussion, but to any observer or user it is.

dreamgazer wrote...

What do you expect of people who have
to tolerate the likes of Kai Leng, "we fight or we die", and the forced
adherence to constructing the Crucible?

1. There's nothing wrong with Kai Leng, he's supposed to be a poser.

2. I don't see the problem.

3. It was our only plan.

Smeffects wrote...

Yep try to explain the normandy pick up
that takes place just before the IT theory kicks in with anything other
then poor idea to make a cool scene?

EC was unplanned and made to satisfy fans who didn't get what was going on.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:21 .

[Smeffects]

How about this gem of writing. Its told in that during the prothean cycle the first thing Reapers did was to close the relay system so their fleets couldnt do anything. Mass effect 3 reaper control the citadel, moves it to earth, LET the relay system open for any clown to attack? Does it sound like good writing to you, to let the relays open to indoctrinate a single man, when they could have achieved victory on earth so easily? Would have been months before the fleet even reach earth without relay.

How do you explain that one? Sounds like contrivied reaper idiocy to make a victory and final combat even possible? It makes it cool because the citadel is there!! Oh btw nvm a big part of the fleet that was defending the citadel? Wouldnt that mean a huge part of the fleet was lost?

Theres so many holes in this story, at this rate shepard been indoctrinated since eden prime.

Modifié par Smeffects, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:26 .

[samurai crusade]

You guys. The blast launched Shepard into space... Where he crash landed on the moon with rubble. No atmosphere to destroy him, and he wakes up from being unconscious right at the end.

Or, alternate reality.

I've always felt it was a fan service clip and only serves the purpose to lighten the ending. Shepard dies in the end in my mind. Shepard have his life to end the conflict.

[BleedingUranium]

Smeffects wrote...

How about this gem of writing. Its told in that during the prothean cycle the first thing Reapers did was to close the relay system so their fleets couldnt do anything. Mass effect 3 reaper control the citadel, moves it to earth, LET the relay system open for any clown to attack? Does it sound like good writing to you, to let the relays open to indoctrinate a single man, when they could have achieved victory on earth so easily? Would have been months before the fleet even reach earth without relay.

So they could destroy the vast majority of the galaxy's military in one go. And since the Crucible is likely a Reaper device of some sort, they want it delivered to the Citadel.

[Invisibilly]

 Maybe Shepard was some how teleported back to Earth.

[samurai crusade]

Smeffects wrote...

How about this gem of writing. Its told in that during the prothean cycle the first thing Reapers did was to close the relay system so their fleets couldnt do anything. Mass effect 3 reaper control the citadel, moves it to earth, LET the relay system open for any clown to attack? Does it sound like good writing to you, to let the relays open to indoctrinate a single man, when they could have achieved victory on earth so easily? Would have been months before the fleet even reach earth without relay.

the reapers wanted the allies to attack. They knew by putting the citadel at earth, there would be no choice but to have the final battle at earth.  It limits the variables of an already unpredictable enemy.    Remember, there were only minor difference between this cycle and every other. (The keepers not responding to the citadel, and te completion of the crucible being the only differences).    

[Smeffects]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

How about this gem of writing. Its told in that during the prothean cycle the first thing Reapers did was to close the relay system so their fleets couldnt do anything. Mass effect 3 reaper control the citadel, moves it to earth, LET the relay system open for any clown to attack? Does it sound like good writing to you, to let the relays open to indoctrinate a single man, when they could have achieved victory on earth so easily? Would have been months before the fleet even reach earth without relay.

So they could destroy the vast majority of the galaxy's military in one go. And since the Crucible is likely a Reaper device of some sort, they want it delivered to the Citadel.

Thats not how reapers opperated. They could have had an easier time connecting the crucible in an attrition war, the fleet would have never even made it to earth. Nothing stops the reaper from taking the crucible after the fleet failed. But then again, why would they need the crucible docked if they had already asured victory? Their idiocy is contrivied and their need for the crucible is forced to make an epic show down over earth with the pretty citadel flying over. ITS FORCED ****.

[BleedingUranium]

Gam3Ov3r wrote...

Maybe Shepard was some how teleported back to Earth.

Teleported. In Mass Effect.