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The problems you have brought up either don't exist, are incorrect, or are subjective. Except for the handling of Miri, Jack, and Jacob's romances, those should have been better. That's the only complaint I can think of in ME3. I don't get the complaints about Thane's; "I'm dying" is second thing he ever says to you.

Not that this is relevant. Shepard is shown to no longer exist in Destroy and no one has been able to explain the breath scene yet.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:20 .


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?  So Cerberus pulling an entire armada and thousand of troops out of thin air wasnt fantastical?  How about the repeat of Noveria?  Or how Legion is barely recognizable?  Or the butchery that was the Thane, Jacob, and Jack romances? How about retelling Miranda's LM as her conflict on ME3?  What about using WMDs in the game?  I thought the council was dead, not merely replaced.  Or Kai Leng's changes from book to game.  I could go on, but I'm tired.

That Jacob romance deserves an Oscar.

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J. Reezy wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


?  So Cerberus pulling an entire armada and thousand of troops out of thin air wasnt fantastical?  How about the repeat of Noveria?  Or how Legion is barely recognizable?  Or the butchery that was the Thane, Jacob, and Jack romances? How about retelling Miranda's LM as her conflict on ME3?  What about using WMDs in the game?  I thought the council was dead, not merely replaced.  Or Kai Leng's changes from book to game.  I could go on, but I'm tired.

That Jacob romance deserves an Oscar.


When I read about how the Jacob romance was handled in ME3 from the leaked script I was half-expecting him to show up holding a bucket of KFC and a malt liquor.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

The problems you have brought up either don't exist, are incorrect, or are subjective. Except for the handling of Miri, Jack, and Jacob's romances, those should have been better. That's the only complaint I can think of in ME3. I don't get the complaints about Thane's; "I'm dying" is second thing he ever says to you.

Not that this is relevant. Shepard is shown to no longer exist in Destroy and no one has been able to explain the breath scene yet.

. So character consistency and respecting lore aren't worth bothering with?

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Why didn't Gandalf just call the eagles in to carry the ring to Mordor?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

The problems you have brought up either don't exist, are incorrect, or are subjective. Except for the handling of Miri, Jack, and Jacob's romances, those should have been better. That's the only complaint I can think of in ME3. I don't get the complaints about Thane's; "I'm dying" is second thing he ever says to you.

Not that this is relevant. Shepard is shown to no longer exist in Destroy and no one has been able to explain the breath scene yet.


Holy crap. You're really sticking to the flycam argument aren't you?

These abnormalities in the animations via flycam are not exclusive to the ending. You'll see all sorts of funky stuff in flycam mode.

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ReconTeam wrote...

Why didn't Gandalf just call the eagles in to carry the ring to Mordor?

. Because the orcs would shoot them down

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J. Reezy wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


?  So Cerberus pulling an entire armada and thousand of troops out of thin air wasnt fantastical?  How about the repeat of Noveria?  Or how Legion is barely recognizable?  Or the butchery that was the Thane, Jacob, and Jack romances? How about retelling Miranda's LM as her conflict on ME3?  What about using WMDs in the game?  I thought the council was dead, not merely replaced.  Or Kai Leng's changes from book to game.  I could go on, but I'm tired.

That Jacob romance deserves an Oscar.


When I read about how the Jacob romance was handled in ME3 from the leaked script I was half-expecting him to show up holding a bucket of KFC and a malt liquor.

Thanks for providing that hilarious mental image. I wouldn't put it past BioWare to do something like that in the future.

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These abnormalities in the animations via flycam are not exclusive to the ending. You'll see all sorts of funky stuff in flycam mode.

Seriously.

In other news, Tali having another mask under her mask is canon because that is what flycam show us.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:29 .


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Tyler Perry wrote Jacob IIRC. In fact Tyler Perry played every role during Jacob's loyalty mission.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

The problems you have brought up either don't exist, are incorrect, or are subjective. Except for the handling of Miri, Jack, and Jacob's romances, those should have been better. That's the only complaint I can think of in ME3. I don't get the complaints about Thane's; "I'm dying" is second thing he ever says to you.

Not that this is relevant. Shepard is shown to no longer exist in Destroy and no one has been able to explain the breath scene yet.


Odd that you say his examples are subjective, when the evidence you provided for your argument is just that: subjective. No one can explain the breath scene because it isn't well written and purposely leaves it open to speculation. However, if you want to get technical for the sake of it, the blast from the explosion could have knocked Shepard out of frame. See? Supposition can be done by anyone.

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Steelcan wrote...

So character consistency and respecting lore aren't worth bothering with?


What problems are there with this?


MegaSovereign wrote...

Holy crap. You're really sticking to the flycam argument aren't you?

These
abnormalities in the animations via flycam are not exclusive to the
ending. You'll see all sorts of funky stuff in flycam mode.


I am well aware of that. As I've repeatedly said, it's visible without flycam, flycam just makes it easier to see.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:31 .


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Seboist wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


?  So Cerberus pulling an entire armada and thousand of troops out of thin air wasnt fantastical?  How about the repeat of Noveria?  Or how Legion is barely recognizable?  Or the butchery that was the Thane, Jacob, and Jack romances? How about retelling Miranda's LM as her conflict on ME3?  What about using WMDs in the game?  I thought the council was dead, not merely replaced.  Or Kai Leng's changes from book to game.  I could go on, but I'm tired.

That Jacob romance deserves an Oscar.


When I read about how the Jacob romance was handled in ME3 from the leaked script I was half-expecting him to show up holding a bucket of KFC and a malt liquor.


He started "spilling drinks on the Citadel" in ME2 so I wasn't all that surprised. Still, must've been hilarious for femSheps that romanced him

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ReconTeam wrote...

Why didn't Gandalf just call the eagles in to carry the ring to Mordor?


One does not simply fly into Mordor!

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BleedingUranium wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Holy crap. You're really sticking to the flycam argument aren't you?

These
abnormalities in the animations via flycam are not exclusive to the
ending. You'll see all sorts of funky stuff in flycam mode.


I am well aware of that. As I've repeatedly said, it's visible without flycam, flycam just makes it easier to see.


That explosion shouldn't have completely and immediately incinerated his body.

It's a graphical glitch and you literally have to look for it. Its narrative purpose is nonexistent, even if you apply the IT.


This is why the "does this prove IT?" memes came about. People literally find "evidence" through funky models and the faults of the game engine.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:37 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So character consistency and respecting lore aren't worth bothering with?


What problems are there with this?

Legion is all of a sudden the biggest advocate for using reaper tech, Jack went from a psychopathic killer to a teacher?  Jacob is now a cheating dirtbag, Tahne stopped having fear about his death, romance specific, so you and not get that dialogue. Shall I go on?

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MegaSovereign wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Holy crap. You're really sticking to the flycam argument aren't you?

These
abnormalities in the animations via flycam are not exclusive to the
ending. You'll see all sorts of funky stuff in flycam mode.


I am well aware of that. As I've repeatedly said, it's visible without flycam, flycam just makes it easier to see.


That explosion shouldn't have completely and immediately incinerated his body.

It's a graphical glitch and you literally have to look for it. Its narrative purpose is nonexistent, even if you apply the IT.


The mark on the ground show it's not a glitch. It makes narrative sense in IT.

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Flycam? Seriously?

According to flycam then: Miranda is dead, Shepard levitates, and everybody is a zombie or dies stuck in various objects.

Also Hackett has an evil twin brother.

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:45 .


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To be honest, Destroy makes the less sence from a literal stand point. As is already said, Shepard should not have survived the explosion of the Citadel, but one other thing that really bothers me about this ending is that the mass relays are completely disabled and yet everyone somehow manages to return to their homeworlds.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

The mark on the ground show it's not a glitch. It makes narrative sense in IT.


The mark on the ground is blast remnants. Basically, it sounds like you're building an argument to suit your agenda for IT without looking at facts.

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Steelcan wrote...

Legion is all of a sudden the biggest advocate for using reaper tech


Nope, but I'm really sick of explaning this.

Jack went from a psychopathic killer to a teacher?


Shepard's influence at work, you can see this with everyone ever.

Jacob is now a cheating dirtbag


You really find that surprising?

Tahne stopped having fear about his death


So?

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AkodoRyu wrote...

Flycam? Seriously?

According to flycam then: Miranda is dead, Shepard levitates, and everybody is a zombie or dies stuck in various objects.

Also Hackett has an evil twin brother.


That is frickin' awesome!

Modifié par Ravensword, 21 janvier 2013 - 08:43 .


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Also Hackett has an evil twin brother.


I really want to meet that guy in ME4.

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Because this is not a documentary, but science fiction.

You people are unbelievable. Do you really want to open a fresh pack of "how-did-character-X-survive-event-Y" in THIS franchise?
What you are (for whatever reason) trying to destroy here (pun intended) is btw the best video game second I ever had.

P.S.: I shouldn't be so cranky and more open-minded to people's opinions, I know. I'm just really tired of this "they can't do ANYTHING right" air in all these discussions.

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AkodoRyu wrote...

Flycam? Seriously?

According to flycam then: Miranda is dead, Shepard levitates, and everybody is a zombie or dies stuck in various objects.

Also Hackett has an evil twin brother.


I'm glad you read the clearly written part that said it's visible without flycam.