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[PainCakesx]

How can the game not be a prequel, midquel or a sequel without taking place in a different universe entirely? If that is in fact the route they want to to go, then it will be one hell of a tough sell. Most people have gotten attached to the existing ME universe by spending literally hundreds (some maybe even thousands) of hours playing the games and replaying them. While Shepard's story may be done, more stories within the same existing universe is the only logical step.

A game that is ME in name only WILL tank future sales in the franchise - take DMC: Devil May Cry for example. A game that by all accounts is good and has been getting good reviews has been tanking sales wise due to similar reasons - the game wasn't what people expected and didn't interest the very people who purchased the first 4 games.

I and many others want more Mass Effect, not another sci-fi game in a different universe with a different lore that only bears resemblence in its title. This is not to say that CP intended to imply that this was the case.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 25 janvier 2013 - 05:46 .

[Jadebaby]

Wayning_Star wrote...

JadeShepard wrote...

lol I see what you did there ...

It just feels like that if it's a sequel, they have to choose an ending because the choices are so epic in scope and meaning. It changes the entire galaxy.

no prerecorded canon ending.. Sheps is all alone in the MEU..apparently.

Then the choices really were meaningless.

[Wayning_Star]

crimzontearz wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here. We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying "well, they'll have to pick a canon ending". No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda. Wherever, whenever, whoever, etc will all be revealed years down the road when we actually start talking about it.

I do not call the game ME4 when I talk about it ever, bucause that makes people think of it more as "what happens after Mass Effect 3" rather than "what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe", which is far more accurate at this point. Obviously fans are going to speculate content, character and story until we actually reveal details in the years or months to come as you have almost no actual details, just don't get bogged down in "well how are they going to continue ME3...".

 
I am going to have to call BS on this. Unless BW is planning a prequel they will have to deal with the way ME3 ended regardless of how you call it. Like joker is easier to say than "flight lieutenant Jeff Moreau" so is ME4 easier than "the next game set in the Mass Effect universe"

no, they don't as the actual 'canon' ending isn't etched in game mechanicals, it's transient, like in the way each 'fan'/shep envisions. Bioware writers are not equiped with ESP..eventhough they'd just LOVE that..heheh

[Wayning_Star]

JadeShepard wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

JadeShepard wrote...

lol I see what you did there ...

It just feels like that if it's a sequel, they have to choose an ending because the choices are so epic in scope and meaning. It changes the entire galaxy.

no prerecorded canon ending.. Sheps is all alone in the MEU..apparently.

Then the choices really were meaningless.

no more meaningless than any choices.. Unless everyone votes for one canon, then its a grab bag and you get what you decide on. Kind of like real time.. only different.. again..

(kind of a dirty trick, but it has kudos coming,eventually

[crimzontearz]

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple

[EagleScoutDJB]

They can't, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner by saying that none of the endings will be made cannon and then insisting that they have to make ME4 instead of moving on to a new IP. ME4 will have to be a prequel, which will make people angry, or one of the endings will have to be made cannon, which will make people angry.

[Enhanced]

dbollendorf wrote...

They can't, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner by saying that none of the endings will be made cannon and then insisting that they have to make ME4 instead of moving on to a new IP. ME4 will have to be a prequel, which will make people angry, or one of the endings will have to be made cannon, which will make people angry.

Well, based on Chris's post, they haven't ruled out the idea of a making it a prequel yet.  Yes, it seems that many player would hate for it to be a prequel, but I  think Bioware can make it good. Omega DLC and Leviathan DLC are basically prequels.

Modifié par Enhanced, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:00 .

[Chris Priestly]

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple

You lack imagination. Simple.

[PainCakesx]

Enhanced wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

They can't, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner by saying that none of the endings will be made cannon and then insisting that they have to make ME4 instead of moving on to a new IP. ME4 will have to be a prequel, which will make people angry, or one of the endings will have to be made cannon, which will make people angry.

Well, based on Chris's post, they haven't ruled out the idea of a making it a prequel yet.  Yes, it seems that many player would hate for it to be a prequel, but  Bioware it think can it make it good. Omega DLC and Leviathan DLC are basically prequels.

Omega and Leviathan would be the equivalent of midquels. DLC midquels obviously work fine (assuming there aren't any problems with the game itself, such as the ending), but a full game wouldn't so much. With a new game, people expect a new story. A new story within the main story of the main story offers a slew of problems, the main one being that it's overshadowed by the much larger and "epic" plot running concurrently with Shepard.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:06 .

[PainCakesx]

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple

You lack imagination. Simple.

There aren't too many possibilities in the time line - before, during or after. Unless you are saying that the next ME game SHOULD take place in an alternate universe?

[crimzontearz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple

You lack imagination. Simple.

No, you are basing your statement on semantics. I do consider setting the game in the.far flung future (so the endings are all mixed ala deus ex) or setting it in another galaxy/location uneffected by the final choice of ME3 to be a way to deal with the ending


 
It has nothing to do with imagination

[Wayning_Star]

Enhanced wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

They can't, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner by saying that none of the endings will be made cannon and then insisting that they have to make ME4 instead of moving on to a new IP. ME4 will have to be a prequel, which will make people angry, or one of the endings will have to be made cannon, which will make people angry.

Well, based on Chris's post, they haven't ruled out the idea of a making it a prequel yet.  Yes, it seems that many player would hate for it to be a prequel, but I  think Bioware can make it good. Omega DLC and Leviathan DLC are basically prequels.

I don't think so, after re reading. Chris pretty much invalidates any relation to ME3, to the point of erasing any inferences to "ME4". The mass effect universe is all that 'might' be involved with the next ME. No prequil if that's the case. The statement of no more Shep makes it even more clear that the next game will be an abstract at most, as in not even mentioning Sheps existence...not even in lore.

All this to occur in some waaaaaaaaaay future or even a different reality..it's just not gonna be a Shepard reailty, pre or post.

[PainCakesx]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

They can't, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner by saying that none of the endings will be made cannon and then insisting that they have to make ME4 instead of moving on to a new IP. ME4 will have to be a prequel, which will make people angry, or one of the endings will have to be made cannon, which will make people angry.

Well, based on Chris's post, they haven't ruled out the idea of a making it a prequel yet.  Yes, it seems that many player would hate for it to be a prequel, but I  think Bioware can make it good. Omega DLC and Leviathan DLC are basically prequels.

I don't think so, after re reading. Chris pretty much invalidates any relation to ME3, to the point of erasing any inferences to "ME4". The mass effect universe is all that 'might' be involved with the next ME. No prequil if that's the case. The statement of no more Shep makes it even more clear that the next game will be an abstract at most, as in not even mentioning Sheps existence...not even in lore.

All this to occur in some waaaaaaaaaay future or even a different reality..it's just not gonna be a Shepard reailty, pre or post.

I really hope you're wrong on this. This would go from a likely buy to very little interest to me.

I'm not expecting more Shepard, but a game in a radically different or completely different universe would lose all appeal to me. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:11 .

[Meltemph]

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple

You lack imagination. Simple.

Could you imagin any other "universe setting"(Like Faerun), essetnially ending the MEU(progress after this point is impossible unless you are willing to make 3 different versions of the MEU), and then try and sell people on a setting they just effectively ended?  Only thing I could think of is either a reboot or a Dr Who story line to "fix the timeline".

[DreGregoire]

I'm sure it's already been said but from what I understood the next Mass Effect installment isn't Shepardcentric. I took that to mean that Shepard's choices wouldn't impact the new game; although, without any real information there isn't any way to say this is 100% the case.

Added: Years from now? Did he say years. Seriously? *sighs*

Modifié par DreGregoire, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:13 .

[fiendishchicken]

Well, the best thing to do would be High EMS Destroy, since that is by far the most popular choice.

That said, BW loves synthesis. If ME4 is a sequel, it's going to have space magic.

Doesn't matter to me, I have no interest in ME4. It's just going to be an exhibition of more 'awesome writing' and 'art'. I have no faith in BW as a brand anymore. The jackass in me even wants them to fail miserably, but the better nature of me just wants to have nothing more to do with them.

Also, no Shepard. Shepard defines Mass Effect for me. As great as the universe and story is, being able to experience it through Shepard has been what ME is all about. I was the ultimate savior of the galaxy, the ultimate renegade idealist, and I was the big, bloody, goddamn hero. ME won't be the same without him.

[Wayning_Star]

PainCakesx wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

They can't, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner by saying that none of the endings will be made cannon and then insisting that they have to make ME4 instead of moving on to a new IP. ME4 will have to be a prequel, which will make people angry, or one of the endings will have to be made cannon, which will make people angry.

Well, based on Chris's post, they haven't ruled out the idea of a making it a prequel yet.  Yes, it seems that many player would hate for it to be a prequel, but  Bioware it think can it make it good. Omega DLC and Leviathan DLC are basically prequels.

Omega and Leviathan would be the equivalent of midquels. DLC midquels obviously work fine (assuming there aren't any problems with the game itself, such as the ending), but a full game wouldn't so much. With a new game, people expect a new story. A new story within the main story of the main story offers a slew of problems, the main one being that it's overshadowed by the much larger and "epic" plot running concurrently with Shepard.

or we can go by the ending slides of the star gaze scene, as theres just one more story/DLC and then fini.. Shep is just what folks chose to be and that's it. Reality can change completely in such a scenerio, as "time" is only relevant to the effects of the current set of varibles. Shep chose, story goes on from there, then another large gap in time, then Sheps forgotten along with those changes. The universe didn't just set still while those choices commands the univers to ultimately change forever/million/billions of years.

Its just a matter of micromanaging our perspective of a very large and basically timeless enviornment. Besides, Chris states that the "ME4" handle is inappropreiate, that the next game will not resemble the ME universe as we've pictured it.

Besides, we've no way to know how writers will envision the next ME story, only our canon belief system.

[PainCakesx]

Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

They can't, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner by saying that none of the endings will be made cannon and then insisting that they have to make ME4 instead of moving on to a new IP. ME4 will have to be a prequel, which will make people angry, or one of the endings will have to be made cannon, which will make people angry.

Well, based on Chris's post, they haven't ruled out the idea of a making it a prequel yet.  Yes, it seems that many player would hate for it to be a prequel, but  Bioware it think can it make it good. Omega DLC and Leviathan DLC are basically prequels.

Omega and Leviathan would be the equivalent of midquels. DLC midquels obviously work fine (assuming there aren't any problems with the game itself, such as the ending), but a full game wouldn't so much. With a new game, people expect a new story. A new story within the main story of the main story offers a slew of problems, the main one being that it's overshadowed by the much larger and "epic" plot running concurrently with Shepard.

or we can go by the ending slides of the star gaze scene, as theres just one more story/DLC and then fini.. Shep is just what folks chose to be and that's it. Reality can change completely in such a scenerio, as "time" is only relevant to the effects of the current set of varibles. Shep chose, story goes on from there, then another large gap in time, then Sheps forgotten along with those changes. The universe didn't just set still while those choices commands the univers to ultimately change forever/million/billions of years.

Its just a matter of micromanaging our perspective of a very large and basically timeless enviornment. Besides, Chris states that the "ME4" handle is inappropreiate, that the next game will not resemble the ME universe as we've pictured it.

Besides, we've no way to know how writers will envision the next ME story, only our canon belief system.

What does that mean? No aliens races that we've grown accustomed to? No galactic society as we've become a part of in the game? The lore history no longer applies? In essense, a completely new universe with a new lore? 

[Epic777]

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple

You lack imagination. Simple.

The only other way would be a game set in the reaper wars

Modifié par Epic777, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:17 .

[EagleScoutDJB]

I for one can't wait to see where Bioware goes from here but the idea that because Shepard's story is over the next game is not ME4 doesn't even make sense. That's like saying that just because Shepard's story is over it never happened. Unless we're talking about a reboot it's still part of the Mass Effect universe that 1, 2 and 3 took place in.

[Chris Priestly]

I can't go into detail for fear of accidentally saying the little that I know. And keep in mind that the little I know can change, so even what I know today may not be valid in a month or a quarter or a year, etc. So I definietely don't want you to think "Priestly says X so it must be X (or since many don't trust me, Y)".

As for Crimsontearz's comment, they stated it MUST be X or Y in their opinion. That does not make it so. It just means that they think only X or Y must be valid. To me, that severely limits the remainder of the alphabet of imagination.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:26 .

[Epic777]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I can't go into detail for fear of accidentally saying the little that I know. And keep in mind that the little I knwo can change. So I definietely don't want you to think "Priestly says X so it must be X (or since many don't trust me, Y)".

As for Crimsontearz's comment, they stated it MUST be X or Y in their opinion. That does not make it so. It just means that they think only X or Y must be valid. To me, that severely limits the remainder of the alphabet of imagination.

Chris, don't be silly. Everyone knows whatever you assert usually isn't true. Remember the ME2 game and its DLC?

[SpamBot2000]

Ah yes, 'imagination'... we have dismissed those claims.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:35 .

[RiptideX1090]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I can't go into detail for fear of accidentally saying the little that I know. And keep in mind that the little I know can change, so even what I know today may not be valid in a month or a quarter or a year, etc. So I definietely don't want you to think "Priestly says X so it must be X (or since many don't trust me, Y)".

As for Crimsontearz's comment, they stated it MUST be X or Y in their opinion. That does not make it so. It just means that they think only X or Y must be valid. To me, that severely limits the remainder of the alphabet of imagination.

Certain letters fit certain words though, Chris.

Could Bioware make a prequel? Absolutely. Could it be a great game? Absolutely.

But there is a reason why a lot of people would prefer a sequel, even if it's not with Shepard. Because the word we're discussing doesn't have prequel in the spelling. The endings still loom over the heads of many. I for one have over thirty ME1 and 2 saves, I loved those games and they were both amazing. But the current state of how the Mass Effect universe 'ends' has made it impossible for me to do another run through the whole trilogy. I can't get past Eden Prime before depression sits in, and I've tried numerous times. I'm not going to sit here and say you couldn't make a prequel or that it couldn't be a good game or scream 'Pre-order cancelled!' if you do or whatever, but my point is there is a reason people don't want that. There are reasons people don't want a new story told 100,000 years later, either. It's not because those things couldn't be good or be creative, but we love the universe we have, dammit, and shoving that aside?

As you say, it's not going to be Mass Effect 4. But if that's the case, why are you setting it in the Mass Effect universe at all? I'm not saying it has to be another game with Shepard, but setting the game before the endings is going to be viewed as pointless, and setting it too far after isn't going to be the Mass Effect universe we know and love, especially as I get the feeling that with Synthesis being inevitable it's just going to be a Dues Ex rip-off. That's speculation on my part of course, but hey, I'm sure the writing staff will be happy I'm speculating and all.

It's your project, your call, you can all do what you want, and no matter what you do you're not going to please everyone. But doing whatever you want doesn't necessarily mean you're doing what's best. To that end, I hope going into this new project the writers have taken lessons learned to heart. Yeah, there's a lot of vitriol here, but it's not all white noise, there are a lot of valid points to be found. Time will tell if that's the case or not.