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dead_goon wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Galactic state
- Destroy - rebuilt
- Control - rebuilt
- Synthesis - rebuilt & green glow faded over time

Simple!


Fixed that for you ( my bolded ).



Yup. It's not hard, with clever dialogue and codex entries, to move forward in the story without massive retconning or canonizing an ending.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.

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dead_goon wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Galactic state
- Destroy - rebuilt
- Control - rebuilt
- Synthesis - rebuilt & greenish & everyone wears a beret

Simple!


Fixed that for you ( my bolded ).



Fixed the fixing

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Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





Feelings hurt?  No, no, that wouldn't be it. No, no, no, not at all....

I'll agree with this:  No company has to do anything.  Not even if it is for their own good....

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PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

rymajn3 wrote...

It's amazing how many people don't realize just how big the universe is.


Huh?  Forgotten Realms is huge too, but to use the title of Faerun to tell a story about Kara-tur would be considered a bad idea.


it does seems as if folks are rationalizing around the apparent reality that the MEU will be new an improved on the next storylines... not a rehash of days gone by so much.


I don't think that this will be the route they take. If it is, then I do not envy the person in charge of marketing that.

When people hear Mass Effect, they think the universe as is. If BioWare starts trying to market something radically different with the Mass Effect title slapped on, a lot of people will be turned off. I would hate to see the backlash that would cause. And what do you mean by "improved?" To many, completely changing the universe (i.e. wiping the slate clean in terms of alien species, lore etc.) would be the very opposite of "improving." I don't want a new universe, I want the MEU as I loved it.

I love Mass Effect as much as the next guy, I'm not to the point of already dismissing the next ME game as many already are, and even I would lose almost all interest in ME if that were case. 




but, isn't it about the story told, not the area it's told from as much? The enviornment would be the same as well, the plot etc would be another story completely. It would still be mass effect, just a different message told in a different scheme of things.

I've read sci fi stories in series, that had the same everything, but the next one would be totally different as the others were left behind for new adventure,and other stuff.

Even video gamers must learn to adapt, it's in their genes..lol

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Methaluan_Sylver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.


but chris's post says that calling the next ME game ME4 isn't in the equation..just say'n

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Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

rymajn3 wrote...

It's amazing how many people don't realize just how big the universe is.


Huh?  Forgotten Realms is huge too, but to use the title of Faerun to tell a story about Kara-tur would be considered a bad idea.


it does seems as if folks are rationalizing around the apparent reality that the MEU will be new an improved on the next storylines... not a rehash of days gone by so much.


I don't think that this will be the route they take. If it is, then I do not envy the person in charge of marketing that.

When people hear Mass Effect, they think the universe as is. If BioWare starts trying to market something radically different with the Mass Effect title slapped on, a lot of people will be turned off. I would hate to see the backlash that would cause. And what do you mean by "improved?" To many, completely changing the universe (i.e. wiping the slate clean in terms of alien species, lore etc.) would be the very opposite of "improving." I don't want a new universe, I want the MEU as I loved it.

I love Mass Effect as much as the next guy, I'm not to the point of already dismissing the next ME game as many already are, and even I would lose almost all interest in ME if that were case. 




but, isn't it about the story told, not the area it's told from as much? The enviornment would be the same as well, the plot etc would be another story completely. It would still be mass effect, just a different message told in a different scheme of things.

I've read sci fi stories in series, that had the same everything, but the next one would be totally different as the others were left behind for new adventure,and other stuff.

Even video gamers must learn to adapt, it's in their genes..lol


That would be fine, for a different franchise altogether.

Story is absolutely important, but people come to have expectations in terms of the universe itself when it's stated to be a part of a pre-existing franchise. Flipping that on itself would be a terrible idea, if only from a business standpoint. I certainly would have little interest in something like that.

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The way the Elderscrolls is done.   while its all in the same Universe....the stories dont have anything to do with each other.  you might hear about something from one of the other games but thats it. 

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I haven't played Oblivion, but the problem with that and Mass Effect is that if the game is set within the same galaxy (which it should), it's kind of hard to ignore the elephant in the room (a race of super-machines wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy).

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Like, you might hear 'You're half robot now because this guy Shepard made a deal with those Reaper monsters, but it's not really something you have to think about'...

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Wayning_Star wrote...

Methaluan_Sylver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.


but chris's post says that calling the next ME game ME4 isn't in the equation..just say'n


Well, yeah but think that I made the point I was trying to make. The name is the least of the ideas I was trying to share.

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Wayning_Star wrote...

Methaluan_Sylver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.


but chris's post says that calling the next ME game ME4 isn't in the equation..just say'n


No, but that just means that it isn't a direct sequel to Shepard's story. Doesn't meanit doesn't take place after the events of the trilogy.

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I and T are letters of the imagination alphabet...
Just throwin' that out there...

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PainCakesx wrote...

I haven't played Oblivion, but the problem with that and Mass Effect is that if the game is set within the same galaxy (which it should), it's kind of hard to ignore the elephant in the room (a race of super-machines wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy).


wait for the next DLC, then say yea or nea..Image IPB

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Bill Casey wrote...

I and T are letters of the imagination alphabet...
Just throwin' that out there...


and choose synthesis as canon...


rofl

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Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

I haven't played Oblivion, but the problem with that and Mass Effect is that if the game is set within the same galaxy (which it should), it's kind of hard to ignore the elephant in the room (a race of super-machines wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy).


wait for the next DLC, then say yea or nea..Image IPB


Not sure what relevance the next DLC has on this?

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Bill Casey wrote...

I and T are letters of the imagination alphabet...
Just throwin' that out there...


Well played, sir.

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PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Methaluan_Sylver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.


but chris's post says that calling the next ME game ME4 isn't in the equation..just say'n


No, but that just means that it isn't a direct sequel to Shepard's story. Doesn't meanit doesn't take place after the events of the trilogy.


but Shep IS the trilogy...so the next one cannot be in the trilogy.. all history and vague at that.

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PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

I haven't played Oblivion, but the problem with that and Mass Effect is that if the game is set within the same galaxy (which it should), it's kind of hard to ignore the elephant in the room (a race of super-machines wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy).


wait for the next DLC, then say yea or nea..Image IPB


Not sure what relevance the next DLC has on this?


like that good doctor says in I Robot: That is the correct question.

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Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Methaluan_Sylver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.


but chris's post says that calling the next ME game ME4 isn't in the equation..just say'n


No, but that just means that it isn't a direct sequel to Shepard's story. Doesn't meanit doesn't take place after the events of the trilogy.


but Shep IS the trilogy...so the next one cannot be in the trilogy.. all history and vague at that.


Shep is the trilogy, but he isn't the MEU. 

A story without Shep could still have the history, the races (Turians, Asari, Salarians, Krogan, etc.), Mass Relays, Citadel, locations etc., and thus remain in the MEU. 

What you seem to be suggesting (unless I misunderstand your point) is wiping the slate clean of essentially all of the above. This is where the problems lie, for me anyway.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I can't go into detail for fear of accidentally saying the little that I know. And keep in mind that the little I know can change, so even what I know today may not be valid in a month or a quarter or a year, etc. So I definietely don't want you to think "Priestly says X so it must be X (or since many don't trust me, Y)".

As for Crimsontearz's comment, they stated it MUST be X or Y in their opinion. That does not make it so. It just means that they think only X or Y must be valid. To me, that severely limits the remainder of the alphabet of imagination.




:devil:


If I call the next game ME4 is simply shorthand, until the offical title is announced. 

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PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Methaluan_Sylver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.


but chris's post says that calling the next ME game ME4 isn't in the equation..just say'n


No, but that just means that it isn't a direct sequel to Shepard's story. Doesn't meanit doesn't take place after the events of the trilogy.


but Shep IS the trilogy...so the next one cannot be in the trilogy.. all history and vague at that.


Shep is the trilogy, but he isn't the MEU. 

A story without Shep could still have the history, the races (Turians, Asari, Salarians, Krogan, etc.), Mass Relays, Citadel, locations etc., and thus remain in the MEU. 

What you seem to be suggesting (unless I misunderstand your point) is wiping the slate clean of essentially all of the above. This is where the problems lie, for me anyway.


I don't see any point in ruining a VG that you haven't played yet, just because you liked another better..before you play  the one in question...

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Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I can't go into detail for fear of accidentally saying the little that I know. And keep in mind that the little I know can change, so even what I know today may not be valid in a month or a quarter or a year, etc. So I definietely don't want you to think "Priestly says X so it must be X (or since many don't trust me, Y)".

As for Crimsontearz's comment, they stated it MUST be X or Y in their opinion. That does not make it so. It just means that they think only X or Y must be valid. To me, that severely limits the remainder of the alphabet of imagination.




:devil:


If I call the next game ME4 is simply shorthand, until the offical title is announced. 


chris seems to infer, rather pointedly, the 4 on the end revitalizes the next "ME" game as associated with ME 1,2,3 and that's not acceptable from his point of view. We should probably defer to the experts on it, or insiders as the case may be?

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:50 .


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Wayning_Star wrote...

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I can't go into detail for fear of accidentally saying the little that I know. And keep in mind that the little I know can change, so even what I know today may not be valid in a month or a quarter or a year, etc. So I definietely don't want you to think "Priestly says X so it must be X (or since many don't trust me, Y)".

As for Crimsontearz's comment, they stated it MUST be X or Y in their opinion. That does not make it so. It just means that they think only X or Y must be valid. To me, that severely limits the remainder of the alphabet of imagination.




:devil:


If I call the next game ME4 is simply shorthand, until the offical title is announced. 


chris seems to infer, rather pointedly, the 4 on the end revitalizes the next "ME" game as associated with ME 1,2,3 and that's not acceptable from his point of view. We should probably defer to the experts on it, or insiders as the case may be?

The next Mass Effect is 4 until we get the real name just like the next Xbox is the 720 and next Playstation is the PS4 until we get their real names.  It's the best we have till the real name is released.

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Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Methaluan_Sylver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which only supports my point

Either the next game is a prequel OR they have to find a way to deal with the ending...simple


You lack imagination. Simple.



:devil:





The imagination is important, but only takes you one so far in the buissness of getting results. How many good ideas had to be trown way by limitations, too hard to apply or to much work for too little reward overall, the deadlines?

Any long run series must have inovation but also a base, the thing with the ME3 is that radicly changed the universe of the game. But the ME universe is big and diverse, and as has talented and resoursefull team working on it, so I belive it can be done a sucess out of ME4.


but chris's post says that calling the next ME game ME4 isn't in the equation..just say'n


No, but that just means that it isn't a direct sequel to Shepard's story. Doesn't meanit doesn't take place after the events of the trilogy.


but Shep IS the trilogy...so the next one cannot be in the trilogy.. all history and vague at that.


Shep is the trilogy, but he isn't the MEU. 

A story without Shep could still have the history, the races (Turians, Asari, Salarians, Krogan, etc.), Mass Relays, Citadel, locations etc., and thus remain in the MEU. 

What you seem to be suggesting (unless I misunderstand your point) is wiping the slate clean of essentially all of the above. This is where the problems lie, for me anyway.


I don't see any point in ruining a VG that you haven't played yet, just because you liked another better..before you play  the one in question...


It's not simply a matter of liking another game better. The very title of "Mass Effect" on such a game would be such a turn-off that I would find it difficult to get past that. Shallow? Maybe.

But I can't be alone on that. That was one major reason why RE6 was so hated - it was no longer Resident Evil but something else entirely.

When you create games within a franchise, you have to maintain what it is. Drastically changing what it is WILL result in backlash, even amongst the most loyal of fans. That's why I have a hard time believing BioWare will go this route. They already have experienced plenty of backlash as is, and is walking on thin ice to many.

Improving and expanding on the current universe is great. Fundamental change isn't.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 25 janvier 2013 - 08:00 .