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[Lunch Box1912]

The more I read the more I think Legacy of Kane Series and how what startd out as a good story and game became the garbage of Soul Reaver and the Hilden.

[Cobalt2113]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

The more I read the more I think Legacy of Kane Series and how what startd out as a good story and game became the garbage of Soul Reaver and the Hilden.

Except that Soul reaver was an awesome game.

[Lunch Box1912]

Chris Priestly wrote...

"... and then Shepard woke up in bed and it had all been a dream....."

Ok, there is NO way we would do that becuase it is among the cheesiest McGuffin around, but it is an example of what can be done. I can't say the more "real" possibilities because I may accidentally mention what may really happen. I'm just saying that people who think it MUST be X or XY are really limiting their vision.

Ahumm cough Indoctrination Theory cough cough

[PainCakesx]

They can't make everyone happy, but actually listening to feedback (which they have claimed to do but haven't demonstrated) will help to maximize overall customer satisfaction. I respect artist integrity, and I mean this seriously, but any piece of entertainment that is intended to be sold for profit needs to be something that the consumer wants.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 08 février 2013 - 03:36 .

[Lunch Box1912]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

The more I read the more I think Legacy of Kane Series and how what startd out as a good story and game became the garbage of Soul Reaver and the Hilden.

Except that Soul reaver was an awesome game.

Yes, but the story in the Legacy of Kain "universe" started to nose dive afterafter Soul Reaver 2. You have to admit the whole Hilden thing was a little rediculous.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

It won't be Synthesis don't worry.

What it will be though... I really have no idea. From the general way they talk, it does seem like they'll go sequel... but how could they possibly... *shrug*

I guess they would probably go with Destroy just cos afaik it's what the majority of players picked... could cause a problem in demeaning some players' efforts and choices though...

Really, homogenizing the endings isn't hard.

In the sequel, say it takes place twenty or fifty years later or something. Synthesis is achieved no matter what, either by Shepard's actions, Reaper Shep giving everyone the tech for it, or by salvaging the tech from the Reaper Corpses.

Likewise, the Reapers are all gone. Either destroyed, or having left for Dark Space in Control and Synthesis, waiting in case they are ever needed to protect the galaxy or whatever.

The geth are gone in all endings as well. Either destroyed, or having uploaded to the Dyson Sphere, or possibly having uploaded to the Dyson Sphere in all endings, as rebuilding them was always a possibility.

The Quarians are on Rannoch no matter what, either having resettled with the help of the Geth, or having moved in after the geth were killed, or if the Quarians were wiped out, those that survived the war recolonized it after the geth were killed/uploaded to the Dyson Sphere.

The Krogan's numbers are critically low no matter what, either because of the Genophage or because of the War if it was cured. If it was not cured and Mordin lived, he later developed a cure. If he was dead, they evolved past it again, and without him there was no one to develop a countermeasure this time.

The Rachni survive everything. They survived the last cycle, they could survive this one, somehow, some way. Or maybe they just went away after the war. Who knows?

My point being, they can explain their way out of anything if they want to bad enough. And this is just what I came up with in ten minutes. I wonder what a group of writers thinking about this for months on end could do.

There is an easier way to make a Post-ME3 ME4:

Just say, "we beat the Reapers".  And then say absolutely nothing more on the matter and nothing about the Catalyst or the endings.  Let's concentrate on the story as to how either the galaxy rebuilds, not on the details as to how it was saved, because, frankly, it's in the past.  Shepard's story is over, so, we can either mention them in passing or not at all. 

After all, it's not Shepard's story anymore.

Of course, there will be those who will want a canon ending, and, this suggestion allows you to make up your own canon ending, because in the grand scheme of things in ME4, it'll be completely irrelevant. 

[MrStoob]

Chris Priestly wrote...
 "what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe"

Ergo, it is the next Mass Effect game, QED ME4?

[ea_online_spam]

I can't read 20 pages of comments.

I just want to say:
1) I'm not a gamer.
2) I bought ME1 for $10 to play 'one game'
3) I then had to buy ME2+3 on some special deal (~$40)
4) I got 300+ hours of game play on these MEs
5) I've bought all the DLCs and play everything again from ME1.
6) Ending of ME3 was not good - but not so bad either. Anyhow Bioware let me down.
7) I'm gonna buy next one at retail price but my Sheppard will kill your asses if you let me down.
8) Damm drug dealers - I'm hooked.

[ea_online_spam]

Let me add:
- I've played Alan Wake and Deux Ex and they suck.
- No game will ever be as good as ME2.
- Like I said: I'm not a gamer.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

If ME4 is set after the events of ME3 no matter what story it intends to tell, they will have to canonize an ending, they will run into too many problems importing future games if they don't.

I also don't think I'd bother playing it if they choose synthesis, that type of galaxy holds no interest for me, but thats my problem, Bioware can and will do whatever they wish.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 11 février 2013 - 03:01 .

[PainCakesx]

DinoSteve wrote...

If ME4 is set after the events of ME3 no matter what story it intends to tell, they will have to canonize an ending, they will run into too many problems importing future games if they don't.

I also don't think I'd bother playing it if they choose synthesis, that type of galaxy holds no interest for me, but thats my problem, Bioware can and will do whatever they wish.

Who said ME3 would be imported into ME4?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

PainCakesx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

If ME4 is set after the events of ME3 no matter what story it intends to tell, they will have to canonize an ending, they will run into too many problems importing future games if they don't.

I also don't think I'd bother playing it if they choose synthesis, that type of galaxy holds no interest for me, but thats my problem, Bioware can and will do whatever they wish.

Who said ME3 would be imported into ME4?

No one, I'm talking about games after ME4, can you imagine the problems they would run into in future games if they let you decide at the start of ME4 what state ME3 left the galaxy?

[PainCakesx]

DinoSteve wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

If ME4 is set after the events of ME3 no matter what story it intends to tell, they will have to canonize an ending, they will run into too many problems importing future games if they don't.

I also don't think I'd bother playing it if they choose synthesis, that type of galaxy holds no interest for me, but thats my problem, Bioware can and will do whatever they wish.

Who said ME3 would be imported into ME4?

No one, I'm talking about games after ME4, can you imagine the problems they would run into in future games if they let you decide at the start of ME4 what state ME3 left the galaxy?

Not too many if they keep references to ME3's ending at a minimum. So long as it's inconsequential to the overarching plot of ME4, there's not really any reason to dive into the specifics.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

For people who picked synthesis the lack of green eyes and a green shimmer on the skin would be very noticeable and the opposite applies to people who choose destroy.
Now I'm not saying all the the details of the current ME trilogy should be canonized, I just think life would be so much easier for Bioware if they where to canonize one of the major choices at the end of ME3.

[PainCakesx]

DinoSteve wrote...

For people who picked synthesis the lack of green eyes and a green shimmer on the skin would be very noticeable and the opposite applies to people who choose destroy.
Now I'm not saying all the the details of the current ME trilogy should be canonized, I just think life would be so much easier for Bioware if they where to canonize one of the major choices at the end of ME3.

They could just say the green glowing skin was symbolic or that it wore off over time. 

[whateverman7]

PainCakesx wrote...

Who said ME3 would be imported into ME4?

well, a bw employee did say players should keep their save files....if the next game doesnt have anything to do with the first 3, there would be no need to do that....

to answer the OP's question:

they cant and they shouldnt try...people are gonna complain no matter what ending they decide to go with....which is fine, cause no matter how much people complain, if bw puts out a good game with a good story, people will get over it...the only thing i think people wouldnt get over is if shepard isnt in the game...i know bw believes the ME universe can stand on its own, but people associate ME with shepard

if they really wanna try to please everyone, here's an idea they could do (i think someone mentioned it already):

they should start the next game at the battle on earth or some type of shorthand version of the battle...that way - shepard is included (check); bw can then kill off shepard at the conclusion of the battle giving way to a new main character (check); people can pick whatever 'ending/beginning' they want to use for the foundation of the game (check); and some of the choices we made in the previous games can play a factor in the new story (check)....

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

PainCakesx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

For people who picked synthesis the lack of green eyes and a green shimmer on the skin would be very noticeable and the opposite applies to people who choose destroy.
Now I'm not saying all the the details of the current ME trilogy should be canonized, I just think life would be so much easier for Bioware if they where to canonize one of the major choices at the end of ME3.

They could just say the green glowing skin was symbolic or that it wore off over time. 

There are other differences there would by no geth or AI in a post destroy world, while in the post synthesis world according to Edi there would be over-population because everyone is immortal and everything is the same and boring.

[Eitrig]

PainCakesx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

For people who picked synthesis the lack of green eyes and a green shimmer on the skin would be very noticeable and the opposite applies to people who choose destroy.
Now I'm not saying all the the details of the current ME trilogy should be canonized, I just think life would be so much easier for Bioware if they where to canonize one of the major choices at the end of ME3.

They could just say the green glowing skin was symbolic or that it wore off over time. 

or that it didn't really fade over time but everyone got so used to it they just tune it out unless they think about it, like background noise

[Eitrig]

DinoSteve wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

For people who picked synthesis the lack of green eyes and a green shimmer on the skin would be very noticeable and the opposite applies to people who choose destroy.
Now I'm not saying all the the details of the current ME trilogy should be canonized, I just think life would be so much easier for Bioware if they where to canonize one of the major choices at the end of ME3.

They could just say the green glowing skin was symbolic or that it wore off over time. 

There are other differences there would by no geth or AI in a post destroy world, while in the post synthesis world according to Edi there would be over-population because everyone is immortal and everything is the same and boring.

the geth can be remade and new AI's can be programmed.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Eitrig wrote...

or that it didn't really fade over time but everyone got so used to it they just tune it out unless they think about it, like background noise

People who chose anything but synthesis would still notice.

Eitrig wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

For people who picked synthesis the lack of green eyes and a green shimmer on the skin would be very noticeable and the opposite applies to people who choose destroy.
Now I'm not saying all the the details of the current ME trilogy should be canonized, I just think life would be so much easier for Bioware if they where to canonize one of the major choices at the end of ME3.

They could just say the green glowing skin was symbolic or that it wore off over time. 

There are other differences there would by no geth or AI in a post destroy world, while in the post synthesis world according to Edi there would be over-population because everyone is immortal and everything is the same and boring.

the geth can be remade and new AI's can be programmed.

But any AI created after destroying the geth wouldn't really be the geth.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 11 février 2013 - 01:48 .

[WolfyZA]

I dont think there is a ME 4 yet... BW are first seeing what the net thinks about the IDEA of a 4th installation... If it has Sheppard I'll buy it... If not ... well then I'll download it for my JTAG, easy as that!

[Ztrobos]

To answer OPs question:
Do a soft reboot. Galacitc civilization is restored as it was. No old characters return. You can have some NPC make vague references to an intergalactic war that suddenly and mysteriously ended. Old players can nod knowingly while, most importantly, new players can just ignore the old story and make their own.

[Armass81]

Well reading these forums, theyre not. Not in any way. No matter how well they pull something off theres always someone who wants something done differently.

Modifié par Armass81, 15 février 2013 - 05:24 .

[Edrick1976]

Chris Priestly wrote...

To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here. We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying "well, they'll have to pick a canon ending". No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda. Wherever, whenever, whoever, etc will all be revealed years down the road when we actually start talking about it.

I do not call the game ME4 when I talk about it ever, bucause that makes people think of it more as "what happens after Mass Effect 3" rather than "what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe", which is far more accurate at this point. Obviously fans are going to speculate content, character and story until we actually reveal details in the years or months to come as you have almost no actual details, just don't get bogged down in "well how are they going to continue ME3...".

The man could be trolling us, anyone ever thought of that?