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[valkulon]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Valhart wrote...

Blackjack and Hookers.

lol hello bender

Archonsg wrote...

Ale and wh*res?

Only if you supply them.

Modifié par Valhart, 25 mars 2013 - 03:13 .

[Jadebaby]

Chris Priestly wrote...

"... and then Shepard woke up in bed and it had all been a dream....."

Ok, there is NO way we would do that becuase it is among the cheesiest McGuffin around, but it is an example of what can be done. I can't say the more "real" possibilities because I may accidentally mention what may really happen. I'm just saying that people who think it MUST be X or XY are really limiting their vision.

Wait, worse then the whole thing being a story told by a creepy Grandfather to his grandchild?

I'd prefer Shepard wake up in bed tbh.

[Iakus]

Jadebaby wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

"... and then Shepard woke up in bed and it had all been a dream....."

Ok, there is NO way we would do that becuase it is among the cheesiest McGuffin around, but it is an example of what can be done. I can't say the more "real" possibilities because I may accidentally mention what may really happen. I'm just saying that people who think it MUST be X or XY are really limiting their vision.

Wait, worse then the whole thing being a story told by a creepy Grandfather to his grandchild?

I'd prefer Shepard wake up in bed tbh.

I can honestly say, I agree.

WHo would have thought thE "Dallas method" could be something that would improve Mass Effect?

[valkulon]

Jadebaby wrote...

Wait, worse then the whole thing being a story told by a creepy Grandfather to his grandchild?

I'd prefer Shepard wake up in bed tbh.

What makes him creepy? Because he calls his grandchild by an affectionate term? My grandparents had a range of names/terms they called me and I know plenty of friends grandparents who did the same.

Is it creepy because your own grandparents never did it? I don't understand the hate about the grandparent/grandchild scene at all.

[Shadow Storm]

@ OP They can't make everybody happy but i get the feeling that it is not going to be a prequal/sequal at all. More then likely they will tell the story of some other long forgotten hero/heroes during the Reaper war or some other event. When you think about it they can just take the slobbish way out (most likely) and have 3 story lines. Each story varies slightly but is fundementally the same. (Synthesis all they have to do is add green eyes, destroy they just replace AI with VI and Control nothing changes)

Without getting too in depth with the events prior and post catalyst they can pull of a story. I see the Leviathans making a big come back down the track.

[Jadebaby]

Valhart wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Wait, worse then the whole thing being a story told by a creepy Grandfather to his grandchild?

I'd prefer Shepard wake up in bed tbh.

What makes him creepy? Because he calls his grandchild by an affectionate term? My grandparents had a range of names/terms they called me and I know plenty of friends grandparents who did the same.

Is it creepy because your own grandparents never did it? I don't understand the hate about the grandparent/grandchild scene at all.

Maybe it's because calling him/her "the Shepard" completely undermines everyone's real Shepard. I know I felt uncomfortable at the fact that I thought all this was really happening but it turns out it was just a figment of some old fart's imagination.

Oh and what makes him creepy? Maybe telling a story with strong violence, horror themes and sex scenes to a kid.. Yeah, I'd be a little creeped out if my Grandpa started telling me a story like that.

What we thought happened....

Scene: "The camera pans as Liara's elegant blue body recoils in pleasure as Commander Shepard embraces her beauty.."

What really happened...

Grandpa: "And then, my sweet, Liara's elegant blue body recoiled in pleasure as Commander Shepard embraced her graceful beauty..."
Child: "ahh Grandpa, what's that moving in your pants? It's getting late, maybe I should go inside."
Grandpa: "Wait, we haven't got to the best part yet..."

[valkulon]

Jadebaby wrote...

Valhart wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Wait, worse then the whole thing being a story told by a creepy Grandfather to his grandchild?

I'd prefer Shepard wake up in bed tbh.

What makes him creepy? Because he calls his grandchild by an affectionate term? My grandparents had a range of names/terms they called me and I know plenty of friends grandparents who did the same.

Is it creepy because your own grandparents never did it? I don't understand the hate about the grandparent/grandchild scene at all.

Maybe it's because calling him/her "the Shepard" completely undermines everyone's real Shepard. I know I felt uncomfortable at the fact that I thought all this was really happening but it turns out it was just a figment of some old fart's imagination.

Oh and what makes him creepy? Maybe telling a story with strong violence, horror themes and sex scenes to a kid.. Yeah, I'd be a little creeped out if my Grandpa started telling me a story like that.

What we thought happened....

Scene: "The camera pans as Liara's elegant blue body recoils in pleasure as Commander Shepard embraces her beauty.."

What really happened...

Grandpa: "And then, my sweet, Liara's elegant blue body recoiled in pleasure as Commander Shepard embraced her graceful beauty..."
Child: "ahh Grandpa, what's that moving in your pants? It's getting late, maybe I should go inside."
Grandpa: "Wait, we haven't got to the best part yet..."

You're entirely blowing that way out of proportion. No way would a decent human being tell their grandchild an R or X rated version of "The Shepard" Legend nor can I fathom that anyone would think that the Mass Effect story is just supposed to be that because of this scene. Have none of you ever heard of storytellers that pass on the history of their people? This scene is supposed to represent the fact that your Shepard is a legend most of which has been lost to time because you're only known as The Shepard.

Hate the endings all you want as I understand the problem people have with it even if I don't agree with them about it. But this scene? You're just being overly nitpicky and ignoring logic in hating it.

[Jadebaby]

"did that all really happen?"

Sorry but that implies it was simply all a story by him and that it may or may not have actually ever happened.

Do you not like my Spekulashins?

[xsamplexample]

 They might just do the whole IT, shep wakes up at the beginning of the game to finsih the reaper war part 2.

a more likely direction will be importing a ending (state of galaxy at end of choice) and go off that, possibly branching into 3 different game prologues, like in DA:O.  

ME4 could be about the time in-between the ending of ME3 and the future described in the epilogues.  about living in the new galaxy, w/o mass realays.  open world, space rpg?  only a system to explore, but every planet is TEs-style explorable?  

[valkulon]

Jadebaby wrote...

"did that all really happen?"

Sorry but that implies it was simply all a story by him and that it may or may not have actually ever happened.

Do you not like my Spekulashins?

I've asked friends/been asked that exact question to some stories that they/I have told all of which were true.

Modifié par Valhart, 25 mars 2013 - 04:40 .

[RainbowDazed]

I hope they keep to their artistic integrity and go with the synthesis ending. Making others happy is a job for ****cats. No wait. For dogs. I'd love to see where that'd take the story. The synthesis ending I mean, not spacedogs.

[knightnblu]

That really depends on which BioWare we get. Is it the one we used to know or the company that has been all over the map lately? Just as consistency is an important concept in human beings, consistency is also vital in a business. Will they bumble ME4? No way of telling, but their recent track record suggests that it is a possibility.

[snakeboy86]

The long and short of it is, no way in hell is everyone going to be happy

Tis the bioware fan way

[Hendrik.III]

If they want to make everybody happy, I think they'd have to detach the next Mass Effect game from everything that's in the current trilogy. As it is now, the fanbase is far too divided over multiple levels of justified complaints and petty nitpicking (or making up their own theories and arguing about that), and far too invested and frustrated about how things went about after ME3.
You can't build on that and expect success, for people will always find a way to point back on the current trilogy and find faults - if only for the sake of it. Truthfully, this is largely due to the inconsistency in writing, codex retcons and awkward plot shifts of the current trilogy. This was not intended of course, but it did happen and we all know where that ended up. Over a year later, we're still arguing.

I think they'd have to start over. Take the building blocks of the Mass Effect universe, erase the current trilogy and build something new. No reapers, no relays or citadel... just a clean slate and create something entirely different, perhaps on a smaller scale to increase the mystery of the universe.

The only thing they really, REALLY have to do is think ahead of the story to prevent the inconsistencies they mistakenly created now, and take their time developing and creating their game. And, most importantly, do not release it until it is done exactly as the devs and production team planned it. No matter what, it's going to show. Gamers are on average more intelligent than the average consumer and far more invested in the product.

At this point I'm conscious of being biased to a degree that I'm skeptical about any further success, given the corporate pressure tossing dust in their dish, but I also have to admit that I'm curious as to what they will be doing. So yeah, I'll be keeping tabs on Mass Effect - but there's still that sour, yellow note...

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 25 mars 2013 - 12:19 .

[crimzontearz]

I love when developers play on semantics

Modifié par crimzontearz, 25 mars 2013 - 12:18 .

[MadRabbit999]

I am pretty sure this subject has already been clarified by the devs, when they said the next ME will not take place in the future neither it will in the past, also there is talk of new races and possibly we won't see the old ones.

Which leaves the conclusion this will most likely be a reboot or something that happens in some remote corner of the galaxy where none of the races/problems/ seen in the ME series has relevance. Maybe it happens in another galaxy, still manipulated by the reapers?

Last possibility is that the story will never really mention in what year the game is set, and there will be no mentioning of reapers or Shepard, which it means it can happen at anytime but as long as it doesn't interfere with the stories of ME 1,2 and 3, it wouldn't require a reboot.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 25 mars 2013 - 12:30 .

[WolfyZA]

Chris Priestly wrote...

To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here. We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying "well, they'll have to pick a canon ending". No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda. Wherever, whenever, whoever, etc will all be revealed years down the road when we actually start talking about it.

I do not call the game ME4 when I talk about it ever, bucause that makes people think of it more as "what happens after Mass Effect 3" rather than "what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe", which is far more accurate at this point. Obviously fans are going to speculate content, character and story until we actually reveal details in the years or months to come as you have almost no actual details, just don't get bogged down in "well how are they going to continue ME3...".

Umm well even Casey Hudson calls it ME 4 so um ya explain that then...

http://social.biowar.../index/16380710

Modifié par WolfyZA, 25 mars 2013 - 01:10 .

[Spartas Husky]

They've moved in a shooter theme direction more than anything. Doubt they'll step back. They said is what happens within the Mass Effect Universe.

Welcome Call of Mass Effect.

[Deventh]

God damn it, Priestly... too much thinking is required in your comments lol. Keep it simple.

[Addictress]

this forum needs a filter that takes you directly to the post from the Bioware employee.

have to navigate all these pages. sigh.

[Fraq Hound]

Addictress wrote...

this forum needs a filter that takes you directly to the post from the Bioware employee.

have to navigate all these pages. sigh.

Clicky on the Bioware logo that appears directly below the thread title and poof. Magic!

Your welcome.

[Addictress]

Fraq Hound wrote...

Addictress wrote...

this forum needs a filter that takes you directly to the post from the Bioware employee.

have to navigate all these pages. sigh.

Clicky on the Bioware logo that appears directly below the thread title and poof. Magic!

Your welcome.

[spartanmax52000]

Chris Priestly wrote...

To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here. We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying "well, they'll have to pick a canon ending". No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda. Wherever, whenever, whoever, etc will all be revealed years down the road when we actually start talking about it.

I do not call the game ME4 when I talk about it ever, bucause that makes people think of it more as "what happens after Mass Effect 3" rather than "what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe", which is far more accurate at this point. Obviously fans are going to speculate content, character and story until we actually reveal details in the years or months to come as you have almost no actual details, just don't get bogged down in "well how are they going to continue ME3...".

 Is its gonna be like in a parellel universe with no Reapers? or is it something else?

[daecath]

There's only one possible solution that I can see. You can't go back in time because, well, prequels suck. There are few if any successful prequels. You already know what happens with the story, which means you lose some of the dramatic tension there, and you are forced to artificially construct your story so that it mates up with the beginning of your established story. You can be creative with characterization and show how your protagonist grows, but considering you've probably already done that in the original, you'll now have to show your protagonist growing from a dumbed down version to your original starting version, which is boring.

And of course the endings make a sequel nearly impossible, for reasons already discussed and readily apparent.

So about the only avenue left that makes sense is a side story. Something like ME3's multiplayer, but more fleshed out. You play as anonymous grunt, and it will probably be a more CoD style of game with minimal story and emphasis on combat. Partly because of the edict from EA that every game must have multiplayer and be a shooter (have I mentioned how glad I am that JR is gone, and how much I hope they bring in someone who cares about games first and foremost?), and partly because the reaper wars were Shepard's story and so anyone else's story would be limited or we would have seen evidence of it already. Making it a FPS means that you can make a much more simple story than you could with an RPG.

Of course, they could go extreme - far into the past where there's no reaper influence to tie into, but then you've either got Krogan rebellions, Rachni wars, or the First Contact war as major conflicts to set it in. Or ou can go into past cycles, but at that point, you might as well just make a new franchise completely. Or you can go far into the future, but that still doesn't help you with your ending dilemma.

[Askeladden]

Make it better than ME3 (though I loved ME3 despite the endning)