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[BaladasDemnevanni]

iakus wrote...

Wrll, good thing I got bored with AC2 and quit while I was ahead then.

Edit;  But think of how worse it would have been if you could import saves with allsort of decisions made that you were told over five years could affect the story, only to still have that ending no matter what.

Oh, wait, you don't have to imagnie it 

Too soon, way too soon.

But yeah, you're right. What I will say for Ubisoft is that both Ezio and Altair got much better send-offs.

But ME3, despite being a slightly better ending in terms of narrative, was far more disappointing. I think a huge part of that comes from the fact that this was the first series/trilogy to really have an import feature. I want to look at the overall product with much better memories than what I got. If importing saves was a much more common feature at this point, I don't think ME3 would have been quite as disappointing.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 23 juillet 2013 - 10:40 .

[Xamufam]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Nah not fanwank just content they cut out at the last minute, they didn't remove it completely so the theory was born
It came from the game

The codex & the novel mass effect retribution explains indoctrination in detail
social.bioware.com/1376675/blog/212630

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/17017693/2#17027463
indoctrination

[levyjl1988]

I expect less from Bioware next time around. That way my high expectations won't be ruined.

[levyjl1988]

I'm guessing that Bioware is going to stray from the number system then to remove confusion.

Dragon Age 3: Inquisition to Dragon Age: Inquisition, yet it is the third Dragon age and takes place after dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 for example.

Mass Effect released an animated movie called Mass Effect: Paragon Lost. I'm betting Mass Effect 4 won't be called Mass Effect 4, that would be following the chronology of the previous Mass Effect games (ME1, ME2, and ME3). Since Shepard's story is finished I would also assume that choices from those 3 games won't carry over, that would be too much. Another option would be to to title the Game: Mass Effect: x (being a variable, with no number, a number would be attached after the x to support a sequel, but no mention of this would define a trilogy, unless they pull a Star Wars numerical sequence). A KOTOR numbering system seems valid.

I say to avoid any connection to Shepard's story is to place the game in a different galaxy, say OUTSIDE the milky way galaxy. I'm sure there must have been a Mass Relay hidden to connect the Milky Way Galaxy to another galaxy, hence ta-dah open to whatever story. And alien races might have discovered it and traverse other locations. The Mass Effect Universe is huge, and Hubble mentioned there are billions of galaxies, why just pertain to one galaxy when there are others. Sure we can see the Turian, Asari, and etc races trickle to other galaxies but we can also expect other new races.

New Hidden Mass Relay = Mass Effect franchise, just put in choices and you're golden.

Sherlock over and out.

[Captain Wesker]

The problem with the synthesis ending being canonical, in my opinion, is that it’s hard for me to believe any real future conflict can exist as a result of synthesis. I’ll admit my knowledge on the endings is a little rusty, but the Catalyst told Shepard that it was the final step in human evolution, a merging of synthetics and organics… Is that not essentially the first stepping stone in a movement away from emotions? If life continues its course would it not evolve AWAY from any form of emotion and become essentially “Synthetic” anyways? Because let’s face it, emotion is dangerous! That being said, so is individuality! Would life not eventually evolve into a collective? Choosing the Synthesis ending = long lasting peace… yes… but, who are we without conflict, or adversity of any kind? I think the Synthesis ending gives everyone the vibe that you’re getting the best of both worlds. But I think in the long run, organics sacrifice everything that makes them organic which includes: individuality, free-will, emotion… and let’s not forget conflict but I’m sure anyone in Shepard’s position would take that for granted. Thus, in conclusion, ME universe just becomes “Star Wars”… without the “Wars” in the title.

This brings me to the problem with the destruction ending. The catalyst basically tells Shepard that sure, you can destroy them… but your grand children will make synthetics that will destroy you anways. So that buys organics another 100-200 maybe 300 years of being organic before being eradicated. Not bad, but SURELY we could do better.

So is the best ending control? Which involves basically turning Shepard into a Reaper to watch over the ME Universe like a Celestial straight out of Marvel comics? What if organics become so advanced that Shepard’s Reaper police force becomes meaningless?

….That is one advantage that the Star Wars Universe, (which in its own respect has countless flaws), and that’s that time is almost irrelevant, (unless you’re talking Jedi/Sith history). What I mean is that it goes by soooooo slow in the Star Wars Universe so much so that in the Old Republic they’re using blue Holograms and thousands of years later THEY’RE STILL USING THE SAME BLUE HOLOGRAMS.
SW Universe = Essentially Timeless
ME Universe = I don’t know how it can continue long after the ME3 ending…


***** EDIT:

In response to levy and the Hidden Mass Effect Relay Theory that connects to another Galaxy... wouldn't this be the same as creating a WHOLE new (Insert Name Here) Universe? Star Wars takes place in a distant Galaxy.

Modifié par Captain Wesker, 25 juillet 2013 - 07:33 .

[OscuraShiva]

The three endings are too much different if we talk about a sequel that begins from them.
I think Bioware will create an important event in the storyline, which will happen after ME3 of course, one that will blow out everything, making every end pointless.
In my view it's the only solution.

Or maybe, in our best chance, we'll be allowed to load our save file from ME3, still with that important event that i was talking about but with some dialogue/quest which will be avaible only if you choosed a certain end.

[allsevens777]

I agree with the above comment, that's why I think there's talk of a prequel, no need to deal with lose ends of the war in the future. Or maybe another galaxy, but then I feel like if the Milky Way isn't in the next game, it won't feel like the Mass Effect Universe. I can see other galaxies, yes, but there'd still need to be some sort of connection to the Milky Way.

I thought that a good idea would be to tangentially touch on the events of the trilogy. For example, billions of years in the future (or millions, or thousands, or hundreds, really, it doesn't matter) there could be a new shadow broker, and maybe in some codex or side-quest content you find out that Liara, despite using her power with benevolence, was killed by rival factions that wanted a more profit-focused organization, etc., etc. So there'd be familiarity, but we could still move on while visiting the ghosts of our pasts. I think we all need a new story.

If they did bring anyone back, I'd hope it'd be just to kill them off right away, for example I imagine a world in which humans are enslaved through synthetic technology, as there bodies adapt quickly to the cheap process of implantation, but the implants keeps organic tissue alive though. They are used by rival factions maybe as paramilitary, dirty jobs, etc.   They think, but they're controlled to the extent possible through their implants.  They aren't husks, they look mostly human, just with synthetic odds and ends.  Let's say they have no memory of their pre-enslavement lives. One could be Kaidan or Ashley (maybe with a different name?), and maybe in some quest or other, you have to put a bullet in his or her head as he or she is trying to kill you. Or maybe they can become a squad member, who knows nothing of the ME trilogy anymore, personality all F'd up beause of the implant, so they're different from before with slight similarities.  Who knows? I'm spitballing. I think doing things like that would be pretty cool. Point being, I think you can touch the edge of the ME trilogy without having to be a slave to all its wheelings and dealings, as well as satisfy previous fans.

You can't satisfy everyone, but you should try to the extent possible to maximize returns. Some will just hate it because it's not Shepard/ME.

I apologize if my examples are a bit dark.  I rather liked the tone of ME3, though it seemed mighty abrupt coming off ME2, which was happier and comic booky. Very heavy stuff, far too quickly. Seemed out of place for a while.

I was all over the place with this one!

Modifié par allsevens777, 30 juillet 2013 - 08:15 .

[Erez Kristal]

Chris Priestly wrote...

"... and then Shepard woke up in bed and it had all been a dream....."

Ok, there is NO way we would do that becuase it is among the cheesiest McGuffin around

 .
While it is cheesy. its hardly more cheesy then the rest of me3...
Oh shepard is on earth- oh the reapers are here! swell! 
The quarrians and geth go to war just when shepard is forced to get locked up. oh swell!
Cerberus are lol indoctrinated. Swell!

Crucible?? Double swell!

Catalyst telling shepard about a reapers off switch? Triple swell!

By going with this line of thinking we can expect shepard to wake up at the begining of me4.

Actually going with this line of thinking wll be the only way to retcon blend in the hijacking of shepard which occured on the beginning of mass effect 3, the crucible and the reapers strolling into the galaxy which debunked me1&me2.

I myself hate the idea and would prefer for bioware to just declare a proper retcon to me3 and continue the story from me2.

Modifié par erezike, 30 juillet 2013 - 10:29 .

[TheKingg]

csm4267 wrote...

First rule of business. You can't satisfy everyone. Some people just can't be satisfied. Some customers you will have to let go, so that other customers can be made. Other customers will end up costing your business more than they are worth in return. Another rule of business. Same goes for people still upset over the ending after Bioware tried to satisfy them with the EC. These people aren't worth trying to keep happy. Bioware should just drop them off and pick up new customers who are passionate and want to play their games. There's plenty of customers out there who love this game and its ending. Instead of people who go on about the ending "issues" (if people can call them that a year later).

This post made me laugh. If bioware only sells future games to people who loved the ending, they won't be selling that many games.

Anyway, how many people does Bioware even have left from their glory days of Kotor, Jade Empire, Mass Effect? It seems as if Bioware is going in a different direction away from RPG fans and towards casaul shooter fans as we see with the dumbed down conversation system and auto dialouge of ME3.

Personally I love shooters and RPGs. If I want to play a great shooter, I'll play a bioshock game. If I want to play online, I'll play halo. If I want to play a mediocre shooter pretending to be an RPG with lame, overpriced DLC I'll play ME3.

I'd like to point out that by far the most picked ending was destroy. So if Bioware tries to make something else cannon they will be disregarding the majority's decision. Also don't see as how they can just skip ahead far into the future as differences from synthesis-destroy-control with be present no matter how far they go.

[Vinchisters]

[Inappropriate post removed.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 30 juillet 2013 - 07:19 .

[NeonFlux117]

The decision to buy ME4 or not buy it is already made for the vast majority of players. I don't think many are on the fence so to speak. So BioWare shouldn't worry about making "everyone happy" they only need to appeal to the more broad audience and bro shooter fans. And they're doing just that- putting the guys who made the MP of ME3 in charge of development and hiring gears old gears of war devs in key positions. ME4 will sell moderately well, probably close to ME3 numbers, maybe a little less. But it will move enough units to warrant sequels. And EA luvs dem sequels.

Money!!! MOAR money!!!!

EA and BioWare don't care if u no like 'artistic integrity'. They're all about your wallet and dem Benjamins.

[Daniel_N7]

Vinchisters wrote...

WHAAAA THE ENDINGS, I HATE THEM!!!!!!!!
THEYRE WORSE THEN HITLER, STALIN AND MAO COMBINED!!!!!!!
THEYRE WORSE THEN THE TITANIC SINKING!!!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEE

Irony detected!

Okay, you know what?... I'll give BioWare a pass with a completely new story, unconnected with the previous trilogy (preferably taking place after the events of ME3)...

...but only as long as BioWare makes the Mass Effect Trilogy 10th Anniversary Edition (Next-Gen Full Remake), to be released in 2017. You hear that, Chris Priestly?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Daniel_N7 wrote...

Vinchisters wrote...

WHAAAA THE ENDINGS, I HATE THEM!!!!!!!!
THEYRE WORSE THEN HITLER, STALIN AND MAO COMBINED!!!!!!!
THEYRE WORSE THEN THE TITANIC SINKING!!!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEE

Irony detected!

Okay, you know what?... I'll give BioWare a pass with a completely new story, unconnected with the previous trilogy (preferably taking place after the events of ME3)...

...but only as long as BioWare makes the Mass Effect Trilogy 10th Anniversary Edition (Next-Gen Full Remake), to be released in 2017. You hear that, Chris Priestly?

Chris Priestly doesn't care.He's left

[Tonymac]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

Vinchisters wrote...

WHAAAA THE ENDINGS, I HATE THEM!!!!!!!!
THEYRE WORSE THEN HITLER, STALIN AND MAO COMBINED!!!!!!!
THEYRE WORSE THEN THE TITANIC SINKING!!!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEE

Irony detected!

Okay, you know what?... I'll give BioWare a pass with a completely new story, unconnected with the previous trilogy (preferably taking place after the events of ME3)...

...but only as long as BioWare makes the Mass Effect Trilogy 10th Anniversary Edition (Next-Gen Full Remake), to be released in 2017. You hear that, Chris Priestly?

Chris Priestly doesn't care.He's left

Ya, its a shame.  I really ike Chris.

[Swass Effect]

Steelcan wrote...

They'll make Synthesis canon. Apparently it's the "best" option.

They'll ME3 us and undo most of our choices and re choose so to speak. Remember making Udina councilor, me niether yet here we are. If it's a sequel it will have to choose a specific ending which is "right" or easiest to explain. Honestly Destroy is the only logical option unless they do the "reapers are back" story then the others would be the better choices. If they canon anything but Destroy I'll just keep my money and wait for it to go to "that" bin. 

[JonathonPR]

Trying to keep everyone happy is a sure fire way to make a poor quality product. They will have to decide what demographic they can reasonably accommodate with the greatest chance of success and profit.

[TheDeadLegend]

 They simply cant

[Nashtalia]

it's simple...you can't

just like the saying: "you can't save them all"

[Hexley UK]

They won't...they didn't bother with ME3 so why should they bother in ME4?

[JonathonPR]

By not chasing after different demographics and allowing an audience to grow based on quality and style of work. Very few products survive the change to demographic seeking strategies. It is the tactic of the short sighted and cowardly executives. It traps a company in a cycle of quarterly earnings rather than long term growth. The franchises that don't might not hit high profits as quickly but last much longer. Look at how few things change between Pokemon games or DC and Marvel comics.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Steelcan wrote...

They'll make Synthesis canon. Apparently it's the "best" option.

I'll wait to see if this is the case.

If they do go this route, then they won't get my money.

[Narelda]

I won't bother reiterating that you can't please everyone. But I can see that it's possible to do a sequel without having a canonical ending for ME3. But this could be accomplished only with excessive amounts of hand-waving or taking the new game to a point where it would not actually matter whether it was placed after ME3 or not. The only reason to make the next ME post ME3 timeline would be that you actually can refer to the previous games and the decisions made in them. I think it would be rather cheap to make a game that's supposedly post ME3 in timeline but have little to no references to the conclusion of the trilogy. That would be just using the ME name to sell something completely different.

[IdesofJuly]

Going on what BioWare has released about the universe that the trilogy is set in, I'd love to see a parallel connection. In the same universe, but not Shepard's universe. Create a new protagonist from scratch, and watch them rise to another fame, something mentioned that we're all overlooking because it was a passing glance and no one looked twice. I think it would be really cool to play as a civilian that finds her/himself breaking out of the Reapers control during the time of ME2, for example. Maybe we play as the child at the end with the Stargazer, and the tales of The Shepard have inspired us to seek out new life on other planets. Maybe we can learn more about the Intelligence and why the Reapers took to it so lovingly, all things considered.

I'm not saying that we have to abandon the WHOLE Universe, but just the parts that have become familiar with time.