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[naes1984]

By knowing the difference between small, stupid things that people complain about like not having a Batarian squad mate, or 20 extra hours dedicated to Tali's cute squeeness and larger fundamental problems with ME3 like lack of meaningful choice, baffling holes in story logic (not just the end) truncated endings (100+ hours over 3 games for a few lame slides and a voice over), repetitive gameplay, no exploration. If you get the fundamentals correct people won't complain as much on the particulars. In other words make it an action RPG and not an ACTION rpg.

Modifié par naes1984, 09 septembre 2013 - 07:40 .

[Assuming Direct Control]

I'd quite like to see the next Mass Effect game to be based largely around the Leviathans (i.e. the apex species of the Milky Way galaxy) - I found the Leviathan DLC to be incredibly intriguing, fascinating and a truly brilliant experience; so much so that I can't imagine playing through the Mass Effect series without it anymore.

Now, I don't really know how they'd implement a game around this topic, but there are a lot of interesting areas of the Leviathan story that could be covered. The Reapers would also, naturally, be an important part of the storyline with particular focus on the intelligence created by the Leviathan species (which we can assume to be the Catalyst) and how it gathered forces to harvest the Leviathans in the first place along with many other remaining questions.

No matter what happens though, the Mass Effect series as it stands today was, and still is, most definitely my favourite game series by a country mile. Nothing even comes close to this series in my opinion.

[Redbelle]

HarbingerShep wrote...

Consider all 3 endings, 4 if you count refusal.. They all have 3 differences that would have to effect the way in some way.
Destroy: All reapers dead, Geth dead.
Control: Reapers alive, Geth alive.
Synthesis: Reapers alive, Geth alive.. BUT everything is green.

I know I'm looking at it irrationally but depending on your choices, if they wanted to make EVERYONE happy wouldn't they have to write the game in 3 different ways? With the exception of control/synthesis because I think you could wave off the fact that everything that's green.. I reckon the best way to go for bioware would be going post Mass effect to something before.






Sorry for the horrible point making.. Had no idea how to express it.

They could write 3 different beginning's...

They could mash the ending consequences into one opening narrative the wasy they did from Deus Ex 1 to Deus Ex 2.

But at the end of the day, it's BW's problem. They wrote themselves into this, they have to write themselves out.

And that's not a GRRRR, BW bad thing. I think BW have what it takes to write themselves out of those endings. It will require some inspired creativity, but what I don't want to see is BW ducking the consequence of ending ME3 in the way they did. I'd like to see ME4 as a sequel so that ME choice/consequence, build your own galaxy idea is carried forward.

Because to lose that mechanic is to see yet another Mass Effect mechanic sacrificed. You can only yank so many mechanics from the DNA of Mass Effect before it becomes just another franchise to be milked because it's got a popular brand name.

And unlike ME3, ME4 will not have two games of hype to help sell it. BW need to return their player interactive elements to give gamers stuff to do in the contect of interacting with the game enviroment.

Modifié par Redbelle, 09 septembre 2013 - 11:37 .

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

[Roster13]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

Well,even if they try or not,i'm sure the real fans are going to be happy with the new mass effet,whatever story is going to be

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Roster13 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

Well,even if they try or not,i'm sure the real fans are going to be happy with the new mass effet,whatever story is going to be

I'd also have to take issue with the idea of "real fans".

[Roster13]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Roster13 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

Well,even if they try or not,i'm sure the real fans are going to be happy with the new mass effet,whatever story is going to be

I'd also have to take issue with the idea of "real fans".

I just said,because there are aome people who only played ME3 and they don't care for anything,just complain.
I enjoyed the game 100%,I agree with Bioware that they should move on and start a whole another stor,specially because there are a LOT of races that they didn't show up their story very much.

[Iakus]

Roster13 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

Well,even if they try or not,i'm sure the real fans are going to be happy with the new mass effet,whatever story is going to be

"Real fans" as in teh ones who go "Shut up and take my money!" whenever anything gets announced?

I admit those would be the easiest fans to please...

[Roster13]

iakus wrote...

Roster13 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

Well,even if they try or not,i'm sure the real fans are going to be happy with the new mass effet,whatever story is going to be

"Real fans" as in teh ones who go "Shut up and take my money!" whenever anything gets announced?

I admit those would be the easiest fans to please...

No,it would be those ones who are loyal to the series,opened to arguments and actually played ALL the games before so far before starting giving an opnion

[Iakus]

Roster13 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Roster13 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

Well,even if they try or not,i'm sure the real fans are going to be happy with the new mass effet,whatever story is going to be

"Real fans" as in teh ones who go "Shut up and take my money!" whenever anything gets announced?

I admit those would be the easiest fans to please...

No,it would be those ones who are loyal to the series,opened to arguments and actually played ALL the games before so far before starting giving an opnion

I was loyal to the series.
I listened to the arguments
I played all the games, Heck I preordered all three games.

Am I a "real" fan?  Because I am certainly not optimistic about any followup to the series.

[Roster13]

iakus wrote...

Roster13 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Roster13 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personally, I think some of the biggest weaknesses in the series came about as a result of trying to make everyone happy.

Well,even if they try or not,i'm sure the real fans are going to be happy with the new mass effet,whatever story is going to be

"Real fans" as in teh ones who go "Shut up and take my money!" whenever anything gets announced?

I admit those would be the easiest fans to please...

No,it would be those ones who are loyal to the series,opened to arguments and actually played ALL the games before so far before starting giving an opnion

I was loyal to the series.
I listened to the arguments
I played all the games, Heck I preordered all three games.

Am I a "real" fan?  Because I am certainly not optimistic about any followup to the series.

Absolutely yes,i'm  tired of those people who played only the last game and think they know everything
But why are you not optmistic ? I think a new story would be good to ''complement'' the series,you would lnow more about other species,not only the humanity

[Iakus]

Roster13 wrote...

Absolutely yes,i'm  tired of those people who played only the last game and think they know everything
But why are you not optmistic ? I think a new story would be good to ''complement'' the series,you would lnow more about other species,not only the humanity

I'm not optimistic because to this day I don't think Bioware knows what went wrong, or even cares.  There is every possibility they'll do the same thing again. and be just as clueless again.

[Br3admax]

Roster13 wrote...
Absolutely yes,i'm  tired of those people who played only the last game and think they know everything

Truthfully, there isn't that much to get. Cuttlefish robots bad. Me no like cuttlefish robots.

And you can have sex with blue people. Hot blue people, who's entire race is composed of constantly developing pectorally females. I've already explained 3/5 of Mass Effect. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 10 septembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[Roster13]

iakus wrote...

Roster13 wrote...

Absolutely yes,i'm  tired of those people who played only the last game and think they know everything
But why are you not optmistic ? I think a new story would be good to ''complement'' the series,you would lnow more about other species,not only the humanity

I'm not optimistic because to this day I don't think Bioware knows what went wrong, or even cares.  There is every possibility they'll do the same thing again. and be just as clueless again.

Good point,i just think that the fact that Casey Hudson asked for people's suggestion about the next Mass Effect game show that they care a little and might do something different,but i agree.We'll never know until the show what the next game might be like

Modifié par Roster13, 10 septembre 2013 - 03:28 .

[Roster13]

Br3ad wrote...

Roster13 wrote...
Absolutely yes,i'm  tired of those people who played only the last game and think they know everything

Truthfully, there isn't that much to get. Cuttlefish robots bad. Me no like cuttlefish robots.

And you can have sex with blue people. Hot blue people, who's entire race is composed of constantly developing pectorally females. I've already explained 3/5 of Mass Effect. 

  We'll see,in my opnion the can explore more the mass effect world,but i'm not the one who's creating the game,so there's not much to do rather than expect for further news

[Massa FX]

At some point we will know the storyline for ME4. Let's just wait.

I'll miss Shepard. Absolutely in love with the character...

Ready to get to know the new kid in town. Whatever or wherever and however BW does it. I just want a SciFi space opera RPG.

[Wolfva2]

iakus wrote...

I was loyal to the series.
I listened to the arguments
I played all the games, Heck I preordered all three games.

Am I a "real" fan?  Because I am certainly not optimistic about any followup to the series.

I'd say...by definition...no.  You're not a fan.  A fan is a person who supports his team/game/favorite actor/whatever no matter what.  Even when they suck.  (See Baltimore Orioles fans...<ducking>).  A 'fair weather fan' would be one who only supports his team/game/actor/etc when they're winning.   And a fallen fan would be you, and many others here.

Note this is NOT a criticism Iakus. Please don't take it as an attack.  It's a definition.  Frankly, I don't understand the 'fan' mindset.  Especially as it can lead to what I think you have...the 'fallen fan' mindset.  The game didn't live up to your expectations, now you feel hurt and betrayed by it.  Being hurt, feeling betrayed, you lash out at BW.  That other people actually LIKED what they did you take as a personal affront.  Which makes you even angrier, causing you to lash out at those people anytime one of them dares to mention they don't think the game sucks as badly as you do.  Or, when someone like me comes along and points out it's just a game.  To you, it's more then that.

Me?  I'm not a fan.  I'm just some guy who happened to like the series.  Originally I wasn't even going to buy it; I don't much care for games with pre-rolled protagonists.  But I liked DA so much I decided what the hell.  I had some spare time and 'Mount and Blade' was getting boring.  I'm glad I did, the series entertained me and I'm looking forward to the next game.  If it looks good, I'll buy it.  If it doesn't I won't.  A fan, on the other hand, will be pre-ordering it as soon as it comes available.  And probably has several Mass Effect shirts in his closet.  And a shelf of Mass Effect merchandise.  A fallen fan will continue to complain about the ending while being dismissive of the next game while their ME merchandise is hidden away in a box in the closet in the far corner...where the spiders live.

And just to clarify, there is NOTHING WRONG with being a fan, a fallen fan, or ambiguous.  Nothing at all.  But seriously, who do you think Bioware is going to make ME4 for?  The fan?  The fallen fan?  The ambiguous could go either way random person?  Only 1 is guarenteed money, 1 is potential money, and 1 is virtually a lost cause.

[Iakus]

Roster13 wrote...

Good point,i just think that the fact that Casey Hudson asked for people's suggestion about the next Mass Effect game show that they care a little and might do something different,but i agree.We'll never know until the show what the next game might be like

As the saying goes:  Talk is cheap.

Also:  Trust is a currency that's hard to earn but easily spent.

[Iakus]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I'd say...by definition...no.  You're not a fan.  A fan is a person who supports his team/game/favorite actor/whatever no matter what.  Even when they suck.  (See Baltimore Orioles fans...<ducking>).  A 'fair weather fan' would be one who only supports his team/game/actor/etc when they're winning.   And a fallen fan would be you, and many others here.

Note this is NOT a criticism Iakus. Please don't take it as an attack.  It's a definition.  Frankly, I don't understand the 'fan' mindset.  Especially as it can lead to what I think you have...the 'fallen fan' mindset.  The game didn't live up to your expectations, now you feel hurt and betrayed by it.  Being hurt, feeling betrayed, you lash out at BW.  That other people actually LIKED what they did you take as a personal affront.  Which makes you even angrier, causing you to lash out at those people anytime one of them dares to mention they don't think the game sucks as badly as you do.  Or, when someone like me comes along and points out it's just a game.  To you, it's more then that.

Me?  I'm not a fan.  I'm just some guy who happened to like the series.  Originally I wasn't even going to buy it; I don't much care for games with pre-rolled protagonists.  But I liked DA so much I decided what the hell.  I had some spare time and 'Mount and Blade' was getting boring.  I'm glad I did, the series entertained me and I'm looking forward to the next game.  If it looks good, I'll buy it.  If it doesn't I won't.  A fan, on the other hand, will be pre-ordering it as soon as it comes available.  And probably has several Mass Effect shirts in his closet.  And a shelf of Mass Effect merchandise.  A fallen fan will continue to complain about the ending while being dismissive of the next game while their ME merchandise is hidden away in a box in the closet in the far corner...where the spiders live.

And just to clarify, there is NOTHING WRONG with being a fan, a fallen fan, or ambiguous.  Nothing at all.  But seriously, who do you think Bioware is going to make ME4 for?  The fan?  The fallen fan?  The ambiguous could go either way random person?  Only 1 is guarenteed money, 1 is potential money, and 1 is virtually a lost cause.

Just a pont of clarificaton:

I was not impressed with ME2 at all.  I found it's story incredibly thin.  The squadmates weren't given enough to do, the whole Cerberus angle horribly railroaded, and the Lazarus Project the worst form of space magic (before Synthesis)  Despite this, I thought ME3 could bring the trilogy around for a strong finish.  I am not one who abandons something at the first sign of dissatisfaction.

But yes, a fallen fan is probably what I am.  And I suspect there's more mes around than Bioware is willing to admit.

[Wraithful]

Just regarding the nonsense about being a fan; I've NVN, the ME's, SWTOR, TOR and the DA's, and I am not a fan.
Will not be purchasing a single new product from this company.
You can't ask people to invest +100 hours into your product only to ****** away everything you built a series on via false advertising.

Anyways, that's not the reason I logged back on.
That guy that did the excellent Indoctrination Theory is doing a new full length ME fan fiction, you guys should check it out, looks pretty impressive.
And by 'pretty impressive', I really mean, 'totally awesome'.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ACAVYOS

[dorktainian]

Wraithful wrote...

That guy that did the excellent Indoctrination Theory is doing a new full length ME fan fiction, you guys should check it out, looks pretty impressive.

And by 'pretty impressive', I really mean, 'totally awesome'.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ACAVYOS

    nice.

[Mr Heatsink]

Well as they stated earlier it's not ME 4 as that would imply Shepard and that ship has sailed. It will be from a completely different perspective. There might be mention of Shep as that character is pretty much the main plot of the Metril (ME trilogy). The story of ME 3 was epic in scope and ambitious. it has become an amazing franchise almost overnight but I can see that Bioware wish to expand on this universe as it is massive.  Maybe the next ME game will be open world or feature multiple open worlds. Now there's an idea.

[riveraeg]

I think if Bioware is smart. It would start in the middle of ME3.

There is still a lot of mysteries in the Galaxy, a lot of people are looking for answers to stop the reapers. I think a investigator looking for Leviathan or other way to stop the reapers might be a good way to start.

At the end I do hope that there is another enemy out there. I think it would make a lot of sense if actually the Repears were the protector of something else. Clearly the cycle plays a role on something bigger.

Mass Effect 4 does not need a shepard, but I think an investigator would be cool.

I do believe they can use this new character to explain what happened to Shepard in the future. Also I think it would be really cool if Shepard decisions in the past game had consequences on your character making it easier or harder on your character to accomplish his goals.

[Wolfva2]

I think ME4 will handle Shep like DA2 handled the Warden. If you knew nothing of the Warden when you started playing DA2...you still knew nothing about him by the end. All you really knew was there was a blight, you were in the losing battle where the king died, and became a refugee. Then something happened, blight ended, you stayed where you were.

[WolfyZA]

If its not a direct sequel im not interested... ( I know BW said numerous times this is the end of Shepard's story).

I don't care what else the universe has to offer in this sequel/prequel.. Everybody dies anyway.