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[HarbingerShep]

HagarIshay wrote...

HarbingerShep wrote...

Yes you all have wonderful points but everyone's only really focusing on how I said everything would be green.. Sorry but what about the reapers again? Unless they all just moved themself back into darkspace (Which regarding the Synthesis and Control cinematics - They didn't.) And then if you also consider the fact that alot of people had/have been using destroy because of the indoctrination theory, but then also you look at the fact that Synthesis and Control are basically the same thing just with a colour difference. OH and the fact that the quarians dont need their masks in Synthesis.. And the geth are destroyed in destroy.. AND depending on your ems the mass relays can explode to a state that would take hundreds of years to rebuild.

As I answered in my post, Reapers can still exist in Synthesis/control, only have little/nothing to do with the plot itself. That's what side quests are for.

Synthesis and control are not the same at all, as one has AIShep to control the Reapers, and the other ending has vast technology advancement. You can do a lot with either- conversing with AIShep, Adding passive/active powers in Synthesis or upgrades to your ship, etc. 

As for the quarians, most put their masks even on their ships- it's their culture. I think even Tali said they'll probably still wear the suits after the Geth will help them; Of course, there can also be the outcome of all the Quarians taking their suits off anyway, with the Geth's help/ finding the answer themselves. Honestly, I think the bigger question about the Quarians are even alive or dead. This one has little to do with the ending choices.

Yea you're right about Synthesis and control not being the same, I was just being unneccecarily being irrational.. But if you talk about the reapers all being alive still  - You've got: Super advanced, Super advanced, Not so super advanced (As all of the turning events for the ending)

[crimzontearz]

HarbingerShep wrote...

Yes you all have wonderful points but everyone's only really focusing on how I said everything would be green.. Sorry but what about the reapers again? Unless they all just moved themself back into darkspace (Which regarding the Synthesis and Control cinematics - They didn't.) And then if you also consider the fact that alot of people had/have been using destroy because of the indoctrination theory, but then also you look at the fact that Synthesis and Control are basically the same thing just with a colour difference. OH and the fact that the quarians dont need their masks in Synthesis.. And the geth are destroyed in destroy.. AND depending on your ems the mass relays can explode to a state that would take hundreds of years to rebuild.

incorrect, a simple exposition fairy would, at the beginning of ME4, simply make a small reference to the choice made and how it all turned out to be the same...example

Avina: after Shepard destroyed the reapers their tech wadnsalvaged, a massive effort was put forth to reqctivatensome of their hulls in the coming centuries while retroengineering their tech allowed massive bioengineering advancement


 
Or


 
Avina: After Shepard fired the crucible the Reapers stopped fighting and begun helping un the rebuilding of the galaxy while offering their tech to improve our advancement


 
Or


 
Avina: After Shepard merged all life into a new matrix the reapers helped rebuilding the galaxy while our understanding of their technology became part of our very life


 
Just saying, it is not that hard and Bioware has a neck for handwaving

[HarbingerShep]

crimzontearz wrote...

HarbingerShep wrote...

Yes you all have wonderful points but everyone's only really focusing on how I said everything would be green.. Sorry but what about the reapers again? Unless they all just moved themself back into darkspace (Which regarding the Synthesis and Control cinematics - They didn't.) And then if you also consider the fact that alot of people had/have been using destroy because of the indoctrination theory, but then also you look at the fact that Synthesis and Control are basically the same thing just with a colour difference. OH and the fact that the quarians dont need their masks in Synthesis.. And the geth are destroyed in destroy.. AND depending on your ems the mass relays can explode to a state that would take hundreds of years to rebuild.

incorrect, a simple exposition fairy would, at the beginning of ME4, simply make a small reference to the choice made and how it all turned out to be the same...example

Avina: after Shepard destroyed the reapers their tech wadnsalvaged, a massive effort was put forth to reqctivatensome of their hulls in the coming centuries while retroengineering their tech allowed massive bioengineering advancement


 
Or


 
Avina: After Shepard fired the crucible the Reapers stopped fighting and begun helping un the rebuilding of the galaxy while offering their tech to improve our advancement


 
Or


 
Avina: After Shepard merged all life into a new matrix the reapers helped rebuilding the galaxy while our understanding of their technology became part of our very life


 
Just saying, it is not that hard and Bioware has a neck for handwaving

Yes but I'm not saying - "How can Bioware handwave their way out of everything.." Because that's not going to keep everyone happy in Me4.. Look at Me3.

[Yate]

LucasShark wrote...

Simple answer: they can't.

ME4 was never supposed to exist, and now only will to milk what money is left from the franchise. If they did actually care about making people "happy", then their best bet would be to retcon the entire mess of ME3's ending.

shouldn't you be listening to indie music?

[crimzontearz]

HarbingerShep wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

HarbingerShep wrote...

Yes you all have wonderful points but everyone's only really focusing on how I said everything would be green.. Sorry but what about the reapers again? Unless they all just moved themself back into darkspace (Which regarding the Synthesis and Control cinematics - They didn't.) And then if you also consider the fact that alot of people had/have been using destroy because of the indoctrination theory, but then also you look at the fact that Synthesis and Control are basically the same thing just with a colour difference. OH and the fact that the quarians dont need their masks in Synthesis.. And the geth are destroyed in destroy.. AND depending on your ems the mass relays can explode to a state that would take hundreds of years to rebuild.

incorrect, a simple exposition fairy would, at the beginning of ME4, simply make a small reference to the choice made and how it all turned out to be the same...example

Avina: after Shepard destroyed the reapers their tech wadnsalvaged, a massive effort was put forth to reqctivatensome of their hulls in the coming centuries while retroengineering their tech allowed massive bioengineering advancement


 
Or


 
Avina: After Shepard fired the crucible the Reapers stopped fighting and begun helping un the rebuilding of the galaxy while offering their tech to improve our advancement


 
Or


 
Avina: After Shepard merged all life into a new matrix the reapers helped rebuilding the galaxy while our understanding of their technology became part of our very life


 
Just saying, it is not that hard and Bioware has a neck for handwaving

Yes but I'm not saying - "How can Bioware handwave their way out of everything.." Because that's not going to keep everyone happy in Me4.. Look at Me3.

Well in that case they cannot. But a lot of people would be happy forgetting it all and moving forward hoping Bioware does not kick them in the nads again

[dreamgazer]

LucasShark wrote...

Simple answer: they can't.

ME4 was never supposed to exist, and now only will to milk what money is left from the franchise. If they did actually care about making people "happy", then their best bet would be to retcon the entire mess of ME3's ending.

ME4 doesn't technically exist now---only the seeds of a game set in the universe, which may or may not "milk" the franchise.

[HarbingerShep]

Okay, here.. Let me rephrase the title.. How is Bioware going to make ANYONE happy in Me4?

[Ageless Face]

HarbingerShep wrote...
Yea you're right about Synthesis and control not being the same, I was just being unneccecarily being irrational.. But if you talk about the reapers all being alive still  - You've got: Super advanced, Super advanced, Not so super advanced (As all of the turning events for the ending)

Of course, but that's just oversimplyfing. You might as well say control and destroy are very simillar because in both choices people don't turn green. 

[GiarcYekrub]

LucasShark wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

The original endings were obviously designed to be very similar so ME4 could continue, the EC which they were forced to do by some of more the rabid parts of the fanbase seems on the surface to make it a harder task to take choices into account, but not impossible.

Only... they weren't?

Cosmetically and functionally similar are entirely different things.  The original endings were the former, not the latter.

The relays were destroyed/disabled, the Reapers were stopped, Shepard was dead, Normandy was crashed on Eden planet, the rest was left to your own imagination which would of allowed the ME4 writers alot of freedom going forward, EC will need some more additional handwaving IMO to explain
 

[dreamgazer]

HarbingerShep wrote...

Okay, here.. Let me rephrase the title.. How is Bioware going to make ANYONE happy in Me4?

Answers will remain largely the same, assuming "ME4" is a direct sequel in the Milky Way.

[estebanus]

It's simple. They kill the catalyst.

[HarbingerShep]

dreamgazer wrote...

HarbingerShep wrote...

Okay, here.. Let me rephrase the title.. How is Bioware going to make ANYONE happy in Me4?

Answers will remain largely the same, assuming "ME4" is a direct sequel in the Milky Way.

Eh, worth a shot.

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...

It's simple. They kill the catalyst.

Kill...AIShep too? 

[GreyLycanTrope]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

It's simple. They kill the catalyst.

Kill...AIShep too? 

No victory without sacrifice /deep

[LucasShark]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

The original endings were obviously designed to be very similar so ME4 could continue, the EC which they were forced to do by some of more the rabid parts of the fanbase seems on the surface to make it a harder task to take choices into account, but not impossible.

Only... they weren't?

Cosmetically and functionally similar are entirely different things.  The original endings were the former, not the latter.

The relays were destroyed/disabled, the Reapers were stopped, Shepard was dead, Normandy was crashed on Eden planet, the rest was left to your own imagination which would of allowed the ME4 writers alot of freedom going forward, EC will need some more additional handwaving IMO to explain
 

Except for:
- The utter destruction of the Reapers
- Reapers under new management
- Perminant fusion of all organic and synthetic life

So... the bits which actually matter and cause problems for writing a consistant universe there-after.

[Arturia Pendragon]

Easiest way? They'll just make a multiplayer horde game with no single-player story mode.

[BD Manchild]

Short answer; they can't. They couldn't even end this trilogy without pissing off more than half the fanbase. My answer would be to just torch this franchise, learn from mistakes and move on to something else. There's no need to taint the Mass Effect brand any more than it already is.

[Killdren88]

Yeah, Bioware written themselves into a unwinnable situation. Canonize an ending thus pissing off fans that don't get to continue with the ending they chose . Or go the direction of a Prequel which a lot of people do not want also pissing them off. I think what they need to do is have a large survey to see what majority players want so that at least they can keep the majority happy.

Modifié par Killdren88, 21 janvier 2013 - 04:48 .

[Kesak12]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I suspect it will be impossible and people will be angry anyway, even just for the **** of it, but I won't be buying ME4 so I don't care what BW will do.

[noobcannon]

destroy is cannon. IT is real. everyone is happy.

[Cuttlebone]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I really want a Mass Effect prequel set during the first contact war or something that way they don't have to worry about picking up after ME 3 it's the most logical option to me

I hope they don't do a prequel, Since the story is already preset in canon any choice made in the game is meaningless.

Sorry I just have to reply, your logic is ludicrous, just like the people who say pre ending dlc suck because we already know what will happen in the end. It makes no sense. Is it meaningless anything about the universe that isn't shown to us during the ME trilogy? if the next game is a prequel (which I hope not) set during the first contact war and you are given the choice of sparing a city or destroying it or something like that, will the choice be meaningless only because it doesn't affect one of the original ME games? playing a game, watching a movie, or reading a book, and caring about the story involves you believing that said fictional universe continues after you finish it, and that what you get to experience is only small glimpse in that world. Hell, who cares about making peace between the quarians and geth (or not), or curing the genophage (or not) with that reasoning? since there is no sequel yet none of it matters, right? we don't get to see it pay off.

[HarbingerShep]

noobcannon wrote...

destroy is cannon. IT is real. everyone is happy.

This. I dont even care that everyone let go of the IT.. I still have faith.

[AlanC9]

HarbingerShep wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

destroy is cannon. IT is real. everyone is happy.

This. I dont even care that everyone let go of the IT.. I still have faith.

You really think IT would make everyone happy?

[HarbingerShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

HarbingerShep wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

destroy is cannon. IT is real. everyone is happy.

This. I dont even care that everyone let go of the IT.. I still have faith.

You really think IT would make everyone happy?

I reckon it would make alot of people happy.. Alot happier than people are now - Look at the uprising even the thought of it made..