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[Rex Fallout]

HarbingerShep wrote...

Consider all 3 endings, 4 if you count refusal.. They all have 3 differences that would have to effect the way in some way.
Destroy: All reapers dead, Geth dead.
Control: Reapers alive, Geth alive.
Synthesis: Reapers alive, Geth alive.. BUT everything is green.

I know I'm looking at it irrationally but depending on your choices, if they wanted to make EVERYONE happy wouldn't they have to write the game in 3 different ways? With the exception of control/synthesis because I think you could wave off the fact that everything that's green.. I reckon the best way to go for bioware would be going post Mass effect to something before.






Sorry for the horrible point making.. Had no idea how to express it.

Long answer- They won't.
Short answer- They won't.

[chidingewe8036]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I suspect it will be impossible and people will be angry anyway, even just for the **** of it, but I won't be buying ME4 so I don't care what BW will do.

Amen brother amen my feelings and thoughts exactly.

[The RPGenius]

Well, since Bioware has convinced themselves that, despite any and every actually demonstrable piece of evidence, nearly everyone loved Mass Effect 3 and its ending, and that those 75 perfect scores were all from 100% legit review sources, I think it likely that Bioware will continue to ignore the basics of good storytelling to make itself feel more edgy and artistic, and still manage to keep absolutely everyone their ego-based radar is capable of detecting happy JUST like they did with Ghost Child Synthesis.

TL;DR: It's easy to keep everyone happy if your personal definition of "everyone" strictly only includes people that are happy with what you're doing.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

You can't make everyone happy no matter what you do. Thinking about this is not productive.

[TheRealJayDee]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But I imagine many people will be happy once PR for the next game starts.

This is exactly what the plan is, and I'd say it will have a good measure of success. But it's safe to assume there are quite some people who will be very cautious and not likely to be swept away by whatever fancy PR they throw at us.

Only time will tell...

[xAmilli0n]

OP, you forgot, Control: Geth dead, Reaper alive (this is 100% canon btw).

Anyways, they aren't gonna make everybody happy. They are in fact, going to make many people upset. But, they are gonna do what they are gonna do.

[CynicalShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...
A political reason. They wouldn't want to call it war since they've eventually got their asses handed to them

The Codex is pretty clear that the war was called off before the turians really mobilized.

The Alliance would have lost a full-scale war. Yet, that "Incident" was a armed conflict that ended with turians being kicked out of Shanxi

[Luigitornado]

Destroy ending, set almost a thousand years after ME3.

I want to see the universe go forward.

[thefallen2far]

Has there been definitive confirmation on them making a ME4? I know they said they wanted to, but there's no date for preproduction, no overall intro, no teaser, no product polling, no direction, and really not many options. I wouldn've thought MMORPG as an option if I didn't hear Star Wars is doing badly.  During the announcement, Star Wars was appearing to be doing well, but since then, I don't know if they're capable of sustaining it let alone another audience for the much lesser ME fanbase which is already fragmented. 

Not caring aside, what audience are they basing this production off of?  Old fans are already halved with  upset/disappointed vs "it created closure, so I'm done" which doesn't give you any direction to go.  New fans don't exist now and it hasn't been established they can build a new sustainable fan base.  Not everyone's going to be happy with it, they obviously don't care about that, but what indications are there they are actually making another game and not just suggesting and talking about wanting to do it?

Modifié par thefallen2far, 22 janvier 2013 - 06:38 .

[silverexile17s]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why should ME4 even attempt to please everyone, a fool's notion if there ever was one? None of the other Bioware games ever had.

If ME4 is a sequel at all, and remember that it doesn't need to be, they can always cut the knot and choose a baseline continuation canon (the Crucible outcome of choice), while letting the Genophage/Rannoch subplots be little more than cameos along the lines of the Elf/Werewolf quest in DA2.

Still, look at what heppened with ME3.
It was never about being perfect. It was about measuring up to the first game. And the general opinion was that ME3 just didn't measure up compaired to the first one.

[HarbingerShep]

thefallen2far wrote...

Has there been definitive confirmation on them making a ME4? I know they said they wanted to, but there's no date for preproduction, no overall intro, no teaser, no product polling, no direction, and really not many options. I wouldn've thought MMORPG as an option if I didn't hear Star Wars is doing badly.  During the announcement, Star Wars was appearing to be doing well, but since then, I don't know if they're capable of sustaining it let alone another audience for the much lesser ME fanbase which is already fragmented. 

Not caring aside, what audience are they basing this production off of?  Old fans are already halved with  upset/disappointed vs "it created closure, so I'm done" which doesn't give you any direction to go.  New fans don't exist now and it hasn't been established they can build a new sustainable fan base.  Not everyone's going to be happy with it, they obviously don't care about that, but what indications are there they are actually making another game and not just suggesting and talking about wanting to do it?

http://social.biowar.../index/14159111

Not really conformation, but it does look promising.

Modifié par HarbingerShep, 22 janvier 2013 - 07:14 .

[Eterna]

Spoiler: They aren't.

[Sanunes]

silverexile17s wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why should ME4 even attempt to please everyone, a fool's notion if there ever was one? None of the other Bioware games ever had.

If ME4 is a sequel at all, and remember that it doesn't need to be, they can always cut the knot and choose a baseline continuation canon (the Crucible outcome of choice), while letting the Genophage/Rannoch subplots be little more than cameos along the lines of the Elf/Werewolf quest in DA2.

Still, look at what heppened with ME3.
It was never about being perfect. It was about measuring up to the first game. And the general opinion was that ME3 just didn't measure up compaired to the first one.

The problem with ME3 is they were trying to please everyone.  Multiple endings, having all surviving squad members return, showing values for the War Assets, the cameos from previous games.  Those all strike me as trying to please people.

The funny thing about saying "measuring up to the first game" I don't think Mass Effect 1 measures up to what people around here praise Mass Effect 1 to be, I find it boring and extremely repetitive with many other faults.  The only real thing in its favor was it was the first Mass Effect game.  They can't make any game compare to previous ones unless they make the exact same game with the exact same issues and faults and then the complaints would be that they are lazy and refuse to innovate and are just milking the loyal fans.

[N7Keller]

You can't make everyone happy, ever. The best thing they can do is make most people happy. They have all the data to make the most popular ending cannon, unless they go the prequel or side-story route. It's the only thing that they can do.

[FlamingBoy]

I have no idea, it will be incredible if they pull it off.

[Meltemph]

HarbingerShep wrote...

Consider all 3 endings, 4 if you count refusal.. They all have 3 differences that would have to effect the way in some way.
Destroy: All reapers dead, Geth dead.
Control: Reapers alive, Geth alive.
Synthesis: Reapers alive, Geth alive.. BUT everything is green.

I know I'm looking at it irrationally but depending on your choices, if they wanted to make EVERYONE happy wouldn't they have to write the game in 3 different ways? With the exception of control/synthesis because I think you could wave off the fact that everything that's green.. I reckon the best way to go for bioware would be going post Mass effect to something before.






Sorry for the horrible point making.. Had no idea how to express it.

They dont make everyone happy(or try).  Make a good game, with great story, strengethning the setting, while adding onto great gameplay.  People can **** all they want, but if the game is damn good with a great well put together world and story people will get over it(whether they scream from the rooftops or not).

Now whether they do this or not, meh, we will see.

Modifié par Meltemph, 22 janvier 2013 - 08:54 .

[Nightwriter]

I think you mean "How is BioWare going to keep everyone as reasonably satisfied as they have before?"

Or perhaps, "How is BioWare going to keep Nightwriter as reasonably satisfied as she was before?" *wiggles eyebrows*

The answer is THEY WON'T. THEY WON'T BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO SHOOT THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT AND RUN AROUND SCREAMING GETTING BLOOD EVERYWHERE UNTIL THEY TRIPPED OVER THE WRONG WIRE AND BLEW EVERYTHING UP AND NOW WE'RE ALL DEAD. WE'RE DEAD. WE'RE F*CKING DEAD. THEIR FAULT. THEIR FAULT. ARE THEY HAPPY NOW. ARE THEY HAPPY. AHHHH!!!!

/slaps self

Ahem. Now that I have that off my chest.

I imagine the general attitude at BioWare HQ right now is "keep soldiering on." This is a pretty reasonable attitude considering they probably feel they can do nothing to get back the fans they've lost over all this, and it probably feels wrong to try. So they've likely decided they just need to keep churning out the product for those who are still interested in what they want to sell. Paying attention to all this criticism and vitriol is probably not productive for them anymore anyway. Personally I would find this level of negativity impossible to work under, if I kept myself exposed to it.

So if you write off the disgruntled folks, all you've got left are the folks who accepted the ending but want their choice preference to be canon. They're pretty easily satisfied, in comparison. It'll just be a simple matter of being vague on the deets.

And this is definitely the way to go imo. I even wish they'd go further and pretend the original trilogy never happened at all. "Shepard who?" Yesssss. Forget Shepard ever existed. Bury the original. BURY IT. BURY IT UNDER CEMENT LIKE A MASTER VAMPIRE DEMIGOD, WITH WARDING ENCHANTMENTS ON THE COFFIN, AND PUT ITS ORGANS IN CANOPIC JARS AND SCATTER THEM ACROSS THE EARTH IN BOOBY-TRAPPED SARCOPHAGI.

[silverexile17s]

Sanunes wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why should ME4 even attempt to please everyone, a fool's notion if there ever was one? None of the other Bioware games ever had.

If ME4 is a sequel at all, and remember that it doesn't need to be, they can always cut the knot and choose a baseline continuation canon (the Crucible outcome of choice), while letting the Genophage/Rannoch subplots be little more than cameos along the lines of the Elf/Werewolf quest in DA2.

Still, look at what heppened with ME3.
It was never about being perfect. It was about measuring up to the first game. And the general opinion was that ME3 just didn't measure up compaired to the first one.

The problem with ME3 is they were trying to please everyone.  Multiple endings, having all surviving squad members return, showing values for the War Assets, the cameos from previous games.  Those all strike me as trying to please people.

The funny thing about saying "measuring up to the first game" I don't think Mass Effect 1 measures up to what people around here praise Mass Effect 1 to be, I find it boring and extremely repetitive with many other faults.  The only real thing in its favor was it was the first Mass Effect game.  They can't make any game compare to previous ones unless they make the exact same game with the exact same issues and faults and then the complaints would be that they are lazy and refuse to innovate and are just milking the loyal fans.

What eveyone praises ME1 for is the story, and all the variations it had. ME3 was a complete switch: better gameplay, lesser story.

[Necrotron]

Make the ending irrelevant. That is the only way.

Modifié par Bathaius, 22 janvier 2013 - 10:07 .

[Dean_the_Young]

silverexile17s wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why should ME4 even attempt to please everyone, a fool's notion if there ever was one? None of the other Bioware games ever had.

If ME4 is a sequel at all, and remember that it doesn't need to be, they can always cut the knot and choose a baseline continuation canon (the Crucible outcome of choice), while letting the Genophage/Rannoch subplots be little more than cameos along the lines of the Elf/Werewolf quest in DA2.

Still, look at what heppened with ME3.
It was never about being perfect. It was about measuring up to the first game. And the general opinion was that ME3 just didn't measure up compaired to the first one.

Uh... what does any of what you just said have to do with what you just quoted?

I never said anything about perfection. I was pointing out that all the games have always made choices that not everyone was going to be happy with. If you were a Renegade in ME1, ME2's carryover kind of sucked on a number of levels. If you had a Romance interest in ME1, ME2 was a dissapointment. Etc. We can also go back to ME1's multitude of flaws that were presented as a Big Deal at the time: inventory, combat system, the Mako, elevators, corny/fake dialogue choices, a lack of investigation into some things and half-baked quests.


The OP took a position in expecting Bioware to treat all choices equally, as if they had any pattern or history of doing so. That they don't, not perfection, was the point.

[WolfyZA]

AlanC9 wrote...

HarbingerShep wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
You really think IT would make everyone happy?

I reckon it would make alot of people happy.. Alot happier than people are now - Look at the uprising even the thought of it made..

Well, "a lot" is kind of vague. 10% would be "a lot." And I don't think you realize how many people loathe IT. 

Personally, I could live with IT as a retcon. 

10%... Why such a random number? 

Fact!!

The first IT thread had more than 1 000 000 views
The second IT thread had a bit more than 800 000 views
The third one had just under 300 000 views (this was 6 - 9 after the game released)

Now tell me do you really think thats 10% of the fanbase? Here is a better question, do you think all the people on this site are the only ones who own a ME3 copy of the game, and are the only ones that know the lore and how it contradicts the endings? NO! Matter of the fact is MANY people know of IT but have better things to do then come here voicing their anger and concerns. Where we the die hard fans who care so much for this series hated to see the treatment it got... Trust me IT is bigger than you think. I wouldnt be suprized if 70% people here on BSN headcanon IT as an ending in their heads. But hey I guess your right thats just 10% of the fanbase right there...

A slight flash back just accured to me right now...I remember the day before I went and bought ME 3 I read on IGN that ME 3 had 14 different endings that time thinking WOW!!!! Surely this has to be the game with the most endings EVVAAAR!!!.. Funny enough 1 day later they changed their story, like it never happened changing it to "7"... Should've taken a screen shot of that... Damn you hindsight!!!

Modifié par WolfyZA, 22 janvier 2013 - 12:53 .

[Sanunes]

silverexile17s wrote...

Sanunes wrote...
*snip*

What eveyone praises ME1 for is the story, and all the variations it had. ME3 was a complete switch: better gameplay, lesser story.

See, the problem I have with ME1 I don't feel the story it has, for you mentioned variations and I don't remember that much variation in the story you have a bunch of unrelated side missions a few key missions, but except for one major choice at the end it works out the same with a couple of exceptions.  Even the major choices in ME1 don't have an impact after you make the choice for the Rachni situation ends after Noveria, Feros is never mentioned after your trip there, and even the Virmire Survivor/Sacrifice isn't mentioned in the game.  What really bothers me with ME1 is that there are several dialogue options in the game that if you pick something different in the dialogue wheel it was identical to the other ones (text and voice acted), to me it bothers me more then auto dialogue, for it appears there is a different dialogue, but there isn't.

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

It's simple. They kill the catalyst.

Kill...AIShep too? 

That's right. No reaper racing for you:P

[Sanunes]

WolfyZA wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

HarbingerShep wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
You really think IT would make everyone happy?

I reckon it would make alot of people happy.. Alot happier than people are now - Look at the uprising even the thought of it made..

Well, "a lot" is kind of vague. 10% would be "a lot." And I don't think you realize how many people loathe IT. 

Personally, I could live with IT as a retcon. 

10%... Why such a random number? 

Fact!!

The first IT thread had more than 1 000 000 views
The second IT thread had a bit more than 800 000 views
The third one had just under 300 000 views (this was 6 - 9 after the game released)

Now tell me do you really think thats 10% of the fanbase? Here is a better question, do you think all the people on this site are the only ones who own a ME3 copy of the game, and are the only ones that know the lore and how it contradicts the endings? NO! Matter of the fact is MANY people know of IT but have better things to do then come here voicing their anger and concerns. Where we the die hard fans who care so much for this series hated to see the treatment it got... Trust me IT is bigger than you think. I wouldnt be suprized if 70% people here on BSN headcanon IT as an ending in their heads. But hey I guess your right thats just 10% of the fanbase right there...

A slight flash back just accured to me right now...I remember the day before I went and bought ME 3 I read on IGN that ME 3 had 14 different endings that time thinking WOW!!!! Surely this has to be the game with the most endings EVVAAAR!!!.. Funny enough 1 day later they changed their story, like it never happened changing it to "7"... Should've taken a screen shot of that... Damn you hindsight!!!

People to revisit a threat multiple times after people have posted, so saying it has 2,000,000 views those aren't unique visitors, for all we know its 1,000 people visiting those threads 2,000 times each.  So nobody really knows how many people believe that IT should be even acknowledged.

As far as the number of endings its all about preception to the game, for really to me there are seven, but I know people still only consider it four.  I think it would have been better marketed at launch with three endings with a total of 14 variations, but people don't always think that way.