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[ZLurps]

78stonewobble wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Hehe... lipstick Krogan's...

One thing though... 

I cannot believe the developers missed (if they happened to wander onto the forums) the amount of emotions tied up in the squadmates and love interests.

And then try to design an ending that evokes emotions without them (atleast in the original ending).

IMHO that was a gross oversight and it should have been thought off via something as simple as:
"What do the players care about? For happyness add that and for sadness take it away."
Lipstic on Krogan comes from from BW actually, it was someone from graphics dept, appeared in some video interview before ME3 came out. He was explaining challenges they face when they create designs for characters. Would be really funny if it weren't so true.

What comes to it being some sort of suprise for them how attached players were to characters, I don't buy it. There were limits what they could do with time/money they had and at some point you need to decide if you use your budget for making harem simulator or action adventure. I'm glad they choosed the latter option.

There is quite a big bit of middle ground between harem simulator and action adventure to actually use (or exploit) the emotional attachment to make your story better.

Not killing off a Li or squadmate took most of the bitter out of bittersweet or sad ending. Not letting Shep survive with Li removed most of the sweet from endings.  

Atleast imho. 

The thing is, just think of how many characters ME2 introduced to us. Now imagine writing paragon and renegade dialogue tree and then p/r romance dialogue trees for them and amount of voice acting needed, it's not only about time but also about money.

And what comes to rest of your post, that was your experience, everyone have one and also opinions. Nothing I can say about that without going off-topic.

[Rovay]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Well, if you don't want gaming forums to be toxic, start making better games.

Behaving more like humans and less like rabid animals would also help.

[Dhoozy77]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Is it really that difficult to try not being a d***? I can understand being disappointed, and what not, but disrespectful? We live in a time, and age where nobody cares how other think, and feel. Zero respect, and consideration. It's like a sociopathic epidemic. I don't blame Mr. Gaider for thinking this. 1 f*** up, and it's the end of the world. One mistake, and people demand heads roll. Any business that involves customers is what I like to call the business of pleasing those who can't be pleased. Look at how spoiled a society we've become. Do I get disappointed with things? Yes, but I don't go around treating people like total garbage when it happens. Life is full of disappointments, get over it. Oh, somebody disagrees with your point of view, what of it? BSN, and places like it are Toxic Enviroments because it's open to the public, and the public in general is so tainted, and corrupt with negativity, and disrespect. Geez, I just turned 20, and I've got better respect then people here who are indeed older. I'm not asking for you to act your age, just learn to grow up.

news flash!all businesses about pleasing customers just like all businesses is about making money if you take out money dead that means you had to take the criticism that comes along with it. unless they are doing this for free then we can't say anything but since they are still taking our money oh yes they will get an earful. 

[Arturia Pendragon]

You know, if I get bitten by a snake and go to the doctor, he or she is going to administer an antivenom and monitor my progress to minimize the cellular damage caused by the venom. They will try to do whatever they can to ensure I leave healthy and happy.

If the BSN is "toxic", then maybe the resident doctors should have done more than give empty thank yous for feedback, turn a cold shoulder to criticism, and go into early retirement. Maybe they should have addressed and treated the cause and not simply tried to overwrite or change the symptoms.

Daniel_N7 wrote...

Here's something I wrote for... some blog. Just my two cents...

It’s easy to compartmentalize the generic problem of the “toxicity of gamer forums” but that’s also a way to circumvent the real issue here.

Fan backlash to Mass Effect 3 was astronomical and BioWare has been deeply hurt by it. Yes, the whiners ruined their year and got in the way of their stroll down the red carpet to the GOTYs.

Maybe we should look back. Remember a time when hundreds, thousands of Mass Effect fan blogs out there on the web were raving about the upcoming Mass Effect 3, for months on end. Celebrating every new video (“femshep trailer yey”), every bit of concept art (“is that a prothean squadmate omg!?”), every piece of music (“omg Clint Mansell is awesome”).

Mass Effect 3 was a sure win. Mass Effect 1 and 2 had set the ground for an absolute homerun. And then something happened that I’ve never seen before in my life as a gamer. You would go through those blogs and it was an emotional wasteland. The ending of the game did that. BioWare/EA’s PR mess made it worse.

Sure, we can compartmentalize the worst of the worst – threats, abuse – to catalog “the fans” and discard this phenomenon. But that’s a questionable way of illustrating everything that happened. Sure, it was a messy flame war – this is the internet, after all. But I remember reading many well spoken, assertive arguments, discussing every single aspect of the game and the ending to realize that the Mass Effect fan community has many educated and interesting members as well.

I feel bad for David Gaider and many talented professionals that have been deeply hurt by all this. But BioWare should make a better effort to maintain an honest and open dialog with its community, and unfortunately that’s not what they did. We’re not all trolls at BioWare Social Network. If BioWare feels alienated from its own community, they need to look within as well.

This.

[GethPrimeMKII]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Is it really that difficult to try not being a d***? I can understand being disappointed, and what not, but disrespectful? We live in a time, and age where nobody cares how other think, and feel. Zero respect, and consideration. It's like a sociopathic epidemic. I don't blame Mr. Gaider for thinking this. 1 f*** up, and it's the end of the world. One mistake, and people demand heads roll. Any business that involves customers is what I like to call the business of pleasing those who can't be pleased. Look at how spoiled a society we've become. Do I get disappointed with things? Yes, but I don't go around treating people like total garbage when it happens. Life is full of disappointments, get over it. Oh, somebody disagrees with your point of view, what of it? BSN, and places like it are Toxic Enviroments because it's open to the public, and the public in general is so tainted, and corrupt with negativity, and disrespect. Geez, I just turned 20, and I've got better respect then people here who are indeed older. I'm not asking for you to act your age, just learn to grow up.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Ice Cold J]

IMO, that's because Rockstar takes their sweet time on games and also never talk out their behinds to build up expectations they know they probably will never meet.

[Jadebaby]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ME859 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...



Oh, GTA V won't fail. No chance.

lol that's exactly what I said about ME3 word for word. Not saying it will but ME3 has made me rethink preorders. 

Two words..

Rockstar Games.

Brovikk? You're a wise-man.

Oh and Trials Evolution is awesome!

[MegaSovereign]

The only thing that's toxic is my love for you bby

[Jadebaby]

Ice Cold J wrote...

IMO, that's because Rockstar takes their sweet time on games and also never talk out their behinds to build up expectations they know they probably will never meet.

In fact, they do the complete opposite, they said in a GamerInformer article that they purposefully avoid releasing details about the game too early because plans might change and they might not be able to fulfill said details they have "promised" fans. Especially because so many resources can be allocated to so many different things in the sandbox style games it's a wise strategy to have.

[Seboist]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Well, if you don't want gaming forums to be toxic, start making better games.

+1

The Witcher,Ys and other gaming boards I frequent have nowhere near this amount of "toxicity".

[Chris Priestly]

Not ME3 related. Try the Off Topic forum.


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