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[Meltemph]

Oh, I have no problem believeing the Catalyst (if he wanted Shep dead or to fail, he wouldn't have brought her up the elevator). I was just commenting a something that is, in fact, seldom brought up.

Well, just because you, personally, don't have any issues with the catalyst based on him bringing you up, doesn't mean, even taking the story as is, that the kid brought you up for any reason other then you attached something on his head that makes him want a different direction for his plans.

My only point with that is, all we know is that the kid brought us up and told us to choose.

[Meltemph]

Eterna5 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

I'm assuming you see yourself as their antithesis?

I'm sorry English isn;t my first language I don't really know what that means. 

Antithesis

[Eterna]

Meltemph wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

I'm assuming you see yourself as their antithesis?

I'm sorry English isn;t my first language I don't really know what that means. 

Antithesis

No I don't try to make people feel miserable for picking destroy as I've picked it on a few Shepards myself. 

[Bill Casey]

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

It's almost as if people don't like it when the least unethically monstrous thing they can do is commit an act of complete genocide on their friends, while others lap up horribly disgusting actions and pretend they aren't complete and utter monsters...

Yeah, Destroyers are the ones who are arrogant...
Not the people who make god in their own image or rewrite the universe...
Right...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 janvier 2013 - 01:12 .

[Meltemph]

No I don't try to make people feel miserable for picking destroy as I've picked it on a few Shepards myself.

I think you missed my point and misunderstood the meaning of that word, to be the Antithesis is to be contrast in all things.  

Modifié par Meltemph, 22 janvier 2013 - 01:10 .

[Luigitornado]

Why is anyone ever arrogant?

People suck. You're on the interent. Deal.

[Bill Casey]

This thread is ironic as hell...
The Control and Synthesis options are the epitome of arrogance...
It's extremely arrogant not to be completely repulsed by what they offer...

Destroyers and Refusers have been fighting that disgusting hubris since day one...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 janvier 2013 - 01:34 .

[Meltemph]

Bill Casey wrote...

This thread is ironic as hell...
The Control and Synthesis options are the epitome of arrogance...
It's arrogant not to be completely repulsed by what they offer...

Wat?  Those endings are so vague that we dont know what they really offer.  That is why people who picked those endings can have totally different idea's of what it means.  At the end this is a game, so people choose what interests them the most.  Idology is what is clearly driving your choice as well.  I'm not seeing a particular shift between most people who pick control or synthesis or you.  

Most pick based on their idology, instead of simply the choice as is and with what we know.  I'm almost wondering if this was biowares point, to show how little difference the conclusions of the catalyst and Levithan and the people choosing the options are.  It isnt about just the choice, it is about the mentality of the choice before you make it.

[Cyberfrog81]

Meltemph wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

I'm assuming you see yourself as their antithesis?

That would be hilarious, seeing as Eterna5's posts always ooze bitterness and bile.

She's toxic, man.

[xAmilli0n]

Bill Casey wrote...

This thread is ironic as hell...
The Control and Synthesis options are the epitome of arrogance...
It's extremely arrogant not to be completely repulsed by what they offer...

Destroyers and Refusers have been fighting that disgusting hubris since day one...

lol

[Eterna]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

I'm assuming you see yourself as their antithesis?

That would be hilarious, seeing as Eterna5's posts always ooze bitterness and bile.

She's toxic, man.

My blood is Acid. 

Haven't seen the Angryone in a while? Of course you haven't, because I devoured her

Modifié par Eterna5, 22 janvier 2013 - 01:40 .

[Hadeedak]

Bill Casey wrote...

This thread is ironic as hell...
The Control and Synthesis options are the epitome of arrogance...
It's extremely arrogant not to be completely repulsed by what they offer...

Destroyers and Refusers have been fighting that disgusting hubris since day one...

There are other interpretations out there. In all of the endings, you're the only one who decides how the galaxy goes forward, who lives, who dies, and what shape the future takes. Personally, I find xenocide a wee bit offputting, which certainly colored my first decision. Also, the color blue.

But hey, I guess that just makes me hideously arrogant. Oh well.

[Reorte]

Hadeedak wrote...

There are other interpretations out there. In all of the endings, you're the only one who decides how the galaxy goes forward, who lives, who dies, and what shape the future takes. Personally, I find xenocide a wee bit offputting, which certainly colored my first decision. Also, the color blue.

But hey, I guess that just makes me hideously arrogant. Oh well.

It is offputting, unfortunately I can't find any reason not to find the other options even more offputting. Well, Control, just maybe, but it's hard to find any paritcularly convincing reason that long-term that wouldn't cause even more destruction. The odds of it working successfully, whilst greater than zero, are small. Is it worth taking a gamble on everyone to save the geth and EDI?

[Eterna]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

It's almost as if people don't like it when the least unethically monstrous thing they can do is commit an act of complete genocide on their friends, while others lap up horribly disgusting actions and pretend they aren't complete and utter monsters...

Yeah, Destroyers are the ones who are arrogant...
Not the people who make god in their own image or rewrite the universe...
Right...

Said genocidal Casey. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Eterna5 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

It's almost as if people don't like it when the least unethically monstrous thing they can do is commit an act of complete genocide on their friends, while others lap up horribly disgusting actions and pretend they aren't complete and utter monsters...

Yeah, Destroyers are the ones who are arrogant...
Not the people who make god in their own image or rewrite the universe...
Right...

Said genocidal Casey. 

And ironically arrogant, for hateful labeling of two groups of people.

Hey pot, kettle called.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 22 janvier 2013 - 01:56 .

[Hadeedak]

Reorte wrote...

It is offputting, unfortunately I can't find any reason not to find the other options even more offputting. Well, Control, just maybe, but it's hard to find any paritcularly convincing reason that long-term that wouldn't cause even more destruction. The odds of it working successfully, whilst greater than zero, are small. Is it worth taking a gamble on everyone to save the geth and EDI?

Heh. It's a Shepard trait, as you may have noticed. S/he has a tendency to make big choices on the fly. Comes down to the Shepard standing in front of the tubes. 

[Bill Casey]

Reorte wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

There are other interpretations out there. In all of the endings, you're the only one who decides how the galaxy goes forward, who lives, who dies, and what shape the future takes. Personally, I find xenocide a wee bit offputting, which certainly colored my first decision. Also, the color blue.

But hey, I guess that just makes me hideously arrogant. Oh well.

It is offputting, unfortunately I can't find any reason not to find the other options even more offputting. Well, Control, just maybe, but it's hard to find any paritcularly convincing reason that long-term that wouldn't cause even more destruction. The odds of it working successfully, whilst greater than zero, are small. Is it worth taking a gamble on everyone to save the geth and EDI?

There is the whole building an omnipotent being in your own image out of zombie slaves part...
And the part where it wants to use that power to lord over the galaxy and thinks the idea was actually a good thing...

You know how utterly repulsive an ideology has to be to make genocide look better by comparison?
Pretty ****ing repuslive...

[Meltemph]

Irregardless of Bill, according to the man that coined the term genocide, what Shep did isnt genocide. Either way though, the idea of making a choice based on consequences we dont like vs consequences we don't know isn't any better in terms of what was at stake at the time.

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people pick Destroy out of bitterness and seek validation by trying to make anyone else who is happy with their ending as miserable as they are.

It's almost as if people don't like it when the least unethically monstrous thing they can do is commit an act of complete genocide on their friends, while others lap up horribly disgusting actions and pretend they aren't complete and utter monsters...

Yeah, Destroyers are the ones who are arrogant...
Not the people who make god in their own image or rewrite the universe...
Right...

Said genocidal Casey. 

And ironically arrogant, for hateful labeling of two groups of people.

Hey pot, kettle called.

It's not arrogant to rail against your arrogance...
I'm playing soldier, not God...

[Hadeedak]

Yeah, I went with xenocide for a reason. Granted, that reason was to make a reference.

Bill, if that's how you want to interpret the other two, that's fine. It doesn't jive with mine, but hey. Your headcanon is as valid as my slightly more sunshine and bunnies outlook.

[Reorte]

Bill Casey wrote...

There is the whole building an omnipotent being in your own image out of zombie slaves part...
And the part where it wants to use that power to lord over the galaxy and thinks the idea was actually a good thing...

You know how utterly repulsive an ideology has to be to make genocide look better by comparison?
Pretty ****ing repuslive...

That's why it's a very long shot - there's a very small chance that none of that would happen. A very, very small chance indeed, even if it is Shepard unaltered (which is also a very small chance). But still non-zero. I'm certainly not prepared to gamble on those odds.

[Bill Casey]

Hadeedak wrote...

Yeah, I went with xenocide for a reason. Granted, that reason was to make a reference.

Bill,
if that's how you want to interpret the other two, that's fine. It
doesn't jive with mine, but hey. Your headcanon is as valid as my
slightly more sunshine and bunnies outlook.

There's no head-cannon there...
That's what ****ing happens in the literal interpretation...

You make an omnipotent being in your own image out of zombie slaves, and it procedes to lay out an agenda in an epilogue for how it wants to use its newfound absolute power...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 janvier 2013 - 02:07 .

[Hadeedak]

Bill Casey wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Yeah, I went with xenocide for a reason. Granted, that reason was to make a reference.

Bill,
if that's how you want to interpret the other two, that's fine. It
doesn't jive with mine, but hey. Your headcanon is as valid as my
slightly more sunshine and bunnies outlook.

There's no head-cannon there...
That's what ****ing happens in the literal interpretation...

The endings are pretty vague and subject to interpretation. If you see gloom and doom, that's your prerogative. 

[xAmilli0n]

Bill Casey wrote...

It's not arrogant to rail against your arrogance...
I'm playing soldier, not God...

Well, that explains it. You're playing the game wrong.

Bill Casey wrote...

There's no head-cannon there...
That's what ****ing happens in the literal interpretation...

You make an omnipotent being in your own image out of zombie slaves, and itprocedes to lay out an agenda in an epilogue for how it wants to use its newfound absolute power...

I know!  I found it exciting too!

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 22 janvier 2013 - 02:10 .

[Bill Casey]

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Yeah, I went with xenocide for a reason. Granted, that reason was to make a reference.

Bill,
if that's how you want to interpret the other two, that's fine. It
doesn't jive with mine, but hey. Your headcanon is as valid as my
slightly more sunshine and bunnies outlook.

There's no head-cannon there...
That's what ****ing happens in the literal interpretation...

The endings are pretty vague and subject to interpretation. If you see gloom and doom, that's your prerogative. 

I haven't even said anything about how it works out...
I've stated things which are happening, and which you agree with...