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Is the trilogy better off without ME2?


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Sure. And ME3's writers were also ME2's writers and ME1's writers, who started the train down its path.


To be fair, if I recall correctly, out of the orignal writing team from ME 1 only Mac Walters Patrick Weekes worked on Mass Effect 3.

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Which of your crew is influential to there species in me2? Tali has the potential to be exiled, garris is a vigilante, grunt is a tank born krogan ,thane is an assassin, Jacob left the alliance for cerberus, zaeed is a merc, kasumi is a theif. Samara is a crazy ass justicar that's been hunting her own daughter for years Miranda is a top Cerberus agent I'd say mordin maybe accept he changes sides before me3 even starts and starts helping the krogan so not really, legion might be the only really influential one and you can just hand him to cerberus if you want.And jack is a psychopath

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Fixers0 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Sure. And ME3's writers were also ME2's writers and ME1's writers, who started the train down its path.


To be fair, if I recall correctly, out of the orignal writing team from ME 1 only Mac Walters Patrick Weekes worked on Mass Effect 3.

I'm fairly sure you recall incorrectly, but will admit I'm not going to go line by line of three games of credits just to compare and contrasts all the individual writers.

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ME2 Was the best in the series.

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It was my favorite also but that doesn't change the fact that it didn't help find a way to actually stop the reapers.... At the end of me2 the councils view of the reapers hasn't changed they are still "dismissing the claim" thus nothing changed your still stuck with no new info on the reapers besides how they actually go about makingnew reapers but that doesn't help us in anyway to fight the old ones.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

I'm fairly sure you recall incorrectly, but will admit I'm not going to go line by line of three games of credits just to compare and contrasts all the individual writers.


I actually rewatched the credits just ago, and the only writers both credited in Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 3 are Mac Walters and Patrcik Weekes.

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No, the trilogy would be better off if the lead writer of ME3 had shown a modicum of respect to parts 1 & 2.

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ME1 = ME1
ME3 = ME2
ME2 = A prequel to ME2 titled, Mass Effect: Tales of the Terminus

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

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ME2 is much better as a stand-alone story than it is as a middle part of the trilogy's plot.


How? There is no "magic gun" waiting on a far off planet. The Reapers have only very recently miss stepped, and it's not on the scale of "Oops, left the plans for that very dangerous weapon out in the open. Heh. Oh well, guess we're just going to leave it there then."

The only hope the Galaxy had was to unite and branch out in technology, and ME2 covers the beginning of this well enough.

Problem of ME2 and ME3 is a reapers arrival. Not only it destroys ME1(overarching series plot), turn it into nonsense - reapers just sat in dark space for a thousands of years of Sovereign machinations, when they could just fly into a galaxy in 0.5-3 years losing completely nothing - it also removed any possiblity for victory other than asspulled superweapon. And even that was made horrible.

Modifié par Maxster_, 24 janvier 2013 - 01:59 .


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General Slotts wrote...

ME1 = ME1
ME3 = ME2
ME2 = A prequel to ME2 titled, Mass Effect: Tales of the Terminus


Given ME2's utter pointlessness I don't see why this series wasn't simply a duology. It would have been better to simply jump from 1 to 3(while removing 3's Derperus altogether) for continuity.

I guess everything just "has" to be a trilogy these days.

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ME2 was pretty irrelevant to the main plot of the trilogy, true. It's still my favourite, though, by a large margin (despite the occasional derp moments like Project Lazarus and "let's all go on the shuttle while the crew gets kidnapped").

Overall I think it would have been better had ME been a series of standalone games and not a trilogy at all.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 24 janvier 2013 - 02:12 .


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Cthulhu42 wrote...

ME2 was pretty irrelevant to the main plot of the trilogy, true. It's still my favourite, though, by a large margin (despite the occasional derp moments like Project Lazarus and "let's all go on the shuttle while the crew gets kidnapped").

Overall I think it would have been better had ME been a series of standalone games and not a trilogy at all.


With some great improvements ME2 could have been a real solid stand alone story. 

One thing they should have done is instead of daddy issue loyalty missions is have ones where you have to use the specific squadmate's abilities for the central plot like using Thane to assasinate some prominent Collector collaborater or have Kasumi steal something valauble from them.

Modifié par Seboist, 24 janvier 2013 - 02:21 .


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Seboist wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

ME2 was pretty irrelevant to the main plot of the trilogy, true. It's still my favourite, though, by a large margin (despite the occasional derp moments like Project Lazarus and "let's all go on the shuttle while the crew gets kidnapped").

Overall I think it would have been better had ME been a series of standalone games and not a trilogy at all.


With some great improvements ME2 could have been a real solid stand alone story. 

One thing they should have done is instead of daddy issue loyalty missions have ones where you have to use the specific squadmate's abilities for the central plot like using Thane to assasinate some prominent Collector collaborater or have Kasumi steal something valauble from them.

Yeah, only using the squadmates' abilites for the final battle (and then only a few of them) made you wonder what the point of recruiting most of them was.

Apparently Tali, Garrus, Jack, Mordin and I could have tackled the Collectors all by ourselves; everyone else ended up being essentially dead weight.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 24 janvier 2013 - 02:23 .


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What's worse is that some of them aren't good for anything like Thane and Grunt.

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Indeed. Honestly, I think ME2 had too many characters for its own good. A lot of them seemed to be there just to fill a quota (Grunt as the krogan, Samara as the asari, Jacob as the human male).

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According to IMDB:
Mass Effect 1 Drew Karpyshyn lead writer  
Lukas Kristjanson 
Chris L'Etoile 
Mike Laidlaw
Mac Walters 
Patrick Weekes


Mass Effect 2 
Chris Hepler  written by 
Drew Karpyshyn 
Brian Kindregan written by 
Lukas Kristjanson written by 
Chris L'Etoile written by 
Cathleen Rootsaert dialogue editor 
Jay Turner written by 
Mac Walters lead writer 
Patrick Weekes written by

Mass Effect 3 
John Dombrow senior writer 
Ann Lemay 
Neil Pollner senior writer 
Cathleen Rootsaert writer 
Mac Walters lead writer 
Patrick Weekes senior writer

EDIT: Bioware pls. consider to buy some working forum engine because this one is a piece of crap. Thanks.

Modifié par McAllyster, 24 janvier 2013 - 02:44 .


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Most of those writers worked on ToR and Dragon Age instead of Mass Effect I believe.

Not a big loss in the end I guess, but yeah Walters and Weekes were the only two in all three.

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The trilogy is just better off without ME3. So many things went in the wrong direction in the story.

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Sure.

That would mean stupid stuff like killing of the protagonist at the start of the game only to have them come back to life after two years because the writers clearly didn't have any idea where they were going wouldn't happen.

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The mass with trilogy woud have been better off without Mass effect 3

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

Sure.

That would mean stupid stuff like killing of the protagonist at the start of the game only to have them come back to life after two years because the writers clearly didn't have any idea where they were going wouldn't happen.

This is the second worst plot event for me in the entire trilogy, right behind the infamous ending. Like really, why are people sad about Shepard dying in ME3? Just sweep up his corpse/ashes and make him again!

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It is not ME2's fault that his brother ME3 is born both stupid and crappy

Modifié par archangel1996, 24 janvier 2013 - 07:51 .


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archangel1996 wrote...

It is not ME2 fault that is brother ME3 is born both stupidand crappy


This right here. I swear it was ME3's job to incoporate the events of what happened in ME2. It is not ME2's fault that ME3 failed to do this, so I can't see the problem.

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mosesarose wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

It is not ME2 fault that is brother ME3 is born both stupidand crappy


This right here. I swear it was ME3's job to incoporate the events of what happened in ME2. It is not ME2's fault that ME3 failed to do this, so I can't see the problem.


Agree completely