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[Fast Jimmy]

Xewaka wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
@Fast Jimmy: Unless I am mistaken, the only thing poorly received about ME3's SP campaign was the ending. The rest of the game was fine. Its would be dishonest to say the entire SP game was poorly received.

Clearly you fail to understand how the ending retroactively turned the whole Mass Effect into the worst videogame franchise EVURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR and RUINED GAMING FOREVEREERERRRRRRRRR and several other hiperbolic statements.

The merits of such complaints are irrelevant. The fact that they resulted in a large portion of the fanbasefeeling that way is. 

As someone else pointed out, even if the Dialogue Wheel offers more numerical choices, many players FELT that it did not. Which is, in itself, a valid complaint. You can't fault someone for a feeling about a video game. And if such feelings result in many players trashing the game and telling everyone they know to stay aware from Bioware and their games, then those are feelings Bioware should probably work to avoid for their players in the future. 

So, in that regard, ME3 resulted in a bad reaction from fans and it also had the first non-co-op MP component. No one can say the two are related. Yet no one here can say they WEREN'T related and , hence, have no way of calming those fears. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 23 janvier 2013 - 11:44 .

[John Epler]

For my part, I have no real problem with people making assumptions regarding development as long as they're then open to new information. That's not to say they need to immediately change their opinion, but being willing to admit that they don't have all the necessary information makes it a lot easier to have a discussion, as opposed to crossing one's arms and saying 'no, you're a liar, I refuse to believe anything you say'.

One of the best examples of this - anytime budgets are brought up and the response is 'EA is a multi-billion dollar corporation, budgets shouldn't matter!' Once someone becomes entrenched in that position, I don't really see much point in discussing anything with them.

[eroeru]

John Epler wrote...

For my part, I have no real problem with people making assumptions regarding development as long as they're then open to new information.

Nail's head. Epler hit it.

[Fast Jimmy]

Masha Potato wrote...

Can you exlain HOW EXACTLY do you think ME3 MP affected the ending (which carried like 75% of the fan outrage) Fast Jimmy? Because so far you're just throwing out very non-specific assumptions asking people to somehow prove them wrong to you. That's hardly a constructive argument going on

I don't honestly believe this whole-heartedly (although the point I made earlier about even if MP and SP are made by different teams and have different budgets, it does create very inflexible timelines which may result in one project being complete on time and the other not being as clear, enjoyable or coherent as planned still being rushed out the door could be a likely or unlikely explanation of the relation between the two), but was merely using it as an example of how armchair designing on the forums doesn't just apply to those who criticize Bioware. It should also be avoided by those who defend them.

Me saying in a thread "MP is bad! It will ruin the SP game." is likely not a good thing.

But for anyone to say in response to that "SP and MP budgets are completely separate. The two are night and day. Your accusation (and the fear that the SP campaign will suffer because of MP) is invalid" is also not a good thing. 

Because neither statement can be known. Heck, even Bioware wouldn't be able to answer that question with 100% accuracy, because it would require near-omniscience in how the project will play out (if deadlines will be met on time and the two projects will be finished concurrently, for example).

[Fast Jimmy]

eroeru wrote...

John Epler wrote...

For my part, I have no real problem with people making assumptions regarding development as long as they're then open to new information.

Nail's head. Epler hit it.

We're really going to have to get the Nails Special Victim's Unit involved on these forums. It seems there is a lot of nail hitting going on around here. Particularly in the head, which can cause permanent damage.

[upsettingshorts]

John Epler wrote...

For my part, I have no real problem with people making assumptions regarding development as long as they're then open to new information. That's not to say they need to immediately change their opinion, but being willing to admit that they don't have all the necessary information makes it a lot easier to have a discussion, as opposed to crossing one's arms and saying 'no, you're a liar, I refuse to believe anything you say'.

One of the best examples of this - anytime budgets are brought up and the response is 'EA is a multi-billion dollar corporation, budgets shouldn't matter!' Once someone becomes entrenched in that position, I don't really see much point in discussing anything with them.

I'm cool with more or less ending my participation in the thread with Epler's statement here.  

[axl99]

The people who could actually explain that are usually staff that have been on both SP and MP. Some of whom may be on twitter.

[eroeru]

I liked this thread. Going to concede to this and be off...

[Fast Jimmy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

John Epler wrote...

For my part, I have no real problem with people making assumptions regarding development as long as they're then open to new information. That's not to say they need to immediately change their opinion, but being willing to admit that they don't have all the necessary information makes it a lot easier to have a discussion, as opposed to crossing one's arms and saying 'no, you're a liar, I refuse to believe anything you say'.

One of the best examples of this - anytime budgets are brought up and the response is 'EA is a multi-billion dollar corporation, budgets shouldn't matter!' Once someone becomes entrenched in that position, I don't really see much point in discussing anything with them.

I'm cool with more or less ending my participation in the thread with Epler's statement here.  

Same here.

It has been an honor sharing this field of battle with you all. This has been a blast.

Long may the bards sing of the USFEO of 2013.