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[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


But what's intrinsically wrong with that, is that many think there's nothing wrong with it.  This is the only industry where hyperbolic pre-release statements (advertising directed at getting you to pre-order and buy) are not totally considered wrong by customers.  Even if it's patently untrue, many will say "oh well, that's how it goes in this industry".  A lie is a lie, and I don't care what the product is that it's being used for to convince you to part with your money.

I'm not saying you are doing this, MegaSovereign-I'm stating something I have heard repeatedly from people.  I've heard it almost as often as this one about a game ending, "well, it's a game, what do you expect?"  The issue is this is an industry that wants to be taken seriously, and BW really wants that badly.  They did want to create a break out game that would turn the industry on its ear.  But, to do that you have to first take your own creations seriously.  Video games will never be fully seen as more than glorified toys if the industry won't get real about it all.

I don't disagree. I don't believe Casey Hudson remembers half of what he said about ME3 pre-release , but I think Bioware is a little more cautious about what they say after what happened with ME3's release. Hence why I believe Chris Priestly when he says that the company is done making more ending content.

The thing is, they are just video games. It naturally shouldn't invoke the same response as, for example, a car being advertised as "excellent condition" but later finding out that the brakes don't work right while your on the freeway.

No and I'm not saying it should.  I'm merely saying that if you bought a music CD (I haven't in years) and the advertiser said it was kid's tunes sung by Barney and the very last song was an explicit hard core rock song about horizontal dancing, the advertiser would be hung out to dry. 

Likewise, if you buy a cookbook that is supposed to be about making the best cookies from someone who always made good cookie cookbooks, but the cookies all would taste like crap, you'd complain and be considered to be right. 

ME3 wasn't cheap and along with some DLC is more expensive than either of these two things, but because it's a videogame, it's off limits.  You can't complain about the content because it's interpretive.  But it isn't completely the interpretation if the hype does not match what you get.  So, until video game devs decide to be adults about all this, games will be toys.  It's hard to create an adult story that can be taken seriously if the target audience is looking for something that has flaws that can be excused by saying, "it's a game, what do you expect".

[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I get that, but you take the case of Omega and compare it to Leviathan.  Leviathan may well have sold better due to the rumors that it might have something ending related in it.  Omega didn't have that.  So, Omega was just new territory with a lot of people saying youtube was their best friend.  The next DLC will have even fewer ready made customers because a lot of people have by now just left the series altogether.  What might bring them back-it is obvious since even the for pay reviewers are indicating ending related DLC or DLC that changes the endings would be far better than the other variety at this point.

That's speculation on your part. IGN was the one who started the rumors but it never escalated considering many Bioware employees including Mike Gamble put that rumor to rest.

It's more likely that the 50% price increase turned people away, a long side the fact that there were bigger and better things coming out that month.

No, BSN isn't everybody, but it's got the most vocal sampling of all sides.  The most often requested (repeatedly asked for) DLC was ending related.  And as they've shown-you don't have to make everyone that buys it happy-you just have to make them think they will be.  :innocent:

It's a pipe dream to think you'd ever please 100% of the people with anything.  But when people are asking for something and willing to pay for it, you really aren't doing yourself any favors if you ignore it.  That's exactly what the little suggestion cards are for in restaurants.   And it's what every company wants to know and work hard and pay a lot of money to find out.  Companies have psychologists to determine trends-they use rebates that go to one clearinghouse that determines buyer habits, and they use datamining to figure out what you might buy.  People here are telling them what they would buy.  I'm just saying that should be considered.

And you're assuming Bioware, and by extension EA, don't have their own methods of finding trends and what the majority wants? 

I was merely suggesting that Bioware could have decided from whatever source or tool they have that BSN is not the best way to establish what the majority of their fans want. And what I meant by the 100% comment was that while their maybe a huge crowd of people from BSN demanding new ending content, different people want different things from that ending content. What you'd be okay with (and what I would entertain) is an expansion to the existing endings. Other people want entirely new endings and or the ones that currently exist to be retconned. It's not exactly smart to cater to an audience that may or may not respond well to what you've created.

[spirosz]

3DandBeyond wrote...
So, until video game devs decide to be adults about all this, games will be toys.  It's hard to create an adult story that can be taken seriously if the target audience is looking for something that has flaws that can be excused by saying, "it's a game, what do you expect".

Or until publishers stop trying to release a title every year, to appeal to the "masses."  Great games take time.  

[Kingthlayer]

I find it really hard to get up for anything when I have no idea at all what it's about. Once they announce the location or the purpose of the DLC then I can start to get hyped up. And once everything is said, I will know then to buy or not to buy it.

With Omega, I set my expectations far too high with what they can do with another possible hub city, and the DLC that was announced was so far below what I was thinking, I haven't even bothered to purchase it yet.

I'm content with the destroy ending as is, killing off the Geth and EDI is a fair trade to removing the Reaper threat for good IMO, so anything ending related, I don't really care about. Sure I'd rather not have to sit through the Catalyst, but he's not going to go anywhere.

I'm hoping for more content with Mass Effect 2 squad mates, especially Miranda, but this is also something I highly doubt will happen. They didn't use the Mass Effect 2 squad mates in Mass Effect 2 DLC, using them in Mass Effect 3 DLC, just doesn't make sense.

[Vaub]

And there it goes again... it seems that my embargo on EA just goes out with every ME3 DLCs... damnit!

Just hope the 3rd one is the good one

[Kel Riever]

Hey, I like the voice actors. And I hope they are smart enough, like they seem to be, to promote the project they are working on.

But you know, 'trusting' writers is something I do when those writers have a track record for producing good work. And it is pretty obvious to me that the track record has been fairly terrible as of late. It isn't like good stuff wasn't written for ME3. But there's no way I am dropping a dime on BioWare stuff (in fact, right now, EA stuff) until the problem of the ending(s) is fixed. And if that is never, that is fine with me.

Again, if someone is so enthralled with BioWare than they want to buy me the DLC, I'll email the info for that person to transfer the funds to buy it to my PayPal account. I'm not above someone trying to convince me otherwise by purchasing my DLC for me. Doesn't mean they are purchasing my opinion to change, but I'll try it. I'm just not an endless fountain of cash for a track record of what I consider to be bad work, myself.

[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


But what's intrinsically wrong with that, is that many think there's nothing wrong with it.  This is the only industry where hyperbolic pre-release statements (advertising directed at getting you to pre-order and buy) are not totally considered wrong by customers.  Even if it's patently untrue, many will say "oh well, that's how it goes in this industry".  A lie is a lie, and I don't care what the product is that it's being used for to convince you to part with your money.

I'm not saying you are doing this, MegaSovereign-I'm stating something I have heard repeatedly from people.  I've heard it almost as often as this one about a game ending, "well, it's a game, what do you expect?"  The issue is this is an industry that wants to be taken seriously, and BW really wants that badly.  They did want to create a break out game that would turn the industry on its ear.  But, to do that you have to first take your own creations seriously.  Video games will never be fully seen as more than glorified toys if the industry won't get real about it all.

I don't disagree. I don't believe Casey Hudson remembers half of what he said about ME3 pre-release , but I think Bioware is a little more cautious about what they say after what happened with ME3's release. Hence why I believe Chris Priestly when he says that the company is done making more ending content.

The thing is, they are just video games. It naturally shouldn't invoke the same response as, for example, a car being advertised as "excellent condition" but later finding out that the brakes don't work right while your on the freeway.

No and I'm not saying it should.  I'm merely saying that if you bought a music CD (I haven't in years) and the advertiser said it was kid's tunes sung by Barney and the very last song was an explicit hard core rock song about horizontal dancing, the advertiser would be hung out to dry. 

Likewise, if you buy a cookbook that is supposed to be about making the best cookies from someone who always made good cookie cookbooks, but the cookies all would taste like crap, you'd complain and be considered to be right. 

ME3 wasn't cheap and along with some DLC is more expensive than either of these two things, but because it's a videogame, it's off limits.  You can't complain about the content because it's interpretive.  But it isn't completely the interpretation if the hype does not match what you get.  So, until video game devs decide to be adults about all this, games will be toys.  It's hard to create an adult story that can be taken seriously if the target audience is looking for something that has flaws that can be excused by saying, "it's a game, what do you expect".

Last I checked people did try to take it to court but it got shot down since the endings technically were "thematically different." 

Public apologizes are often times viewed as meaningless PR stunts. It certainly didn't help BP during the oil spill, then again it isn't fair to compare that to ME3.

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 23 janvier 2013 - 01:12 .

[TurianRebel212]

vivaladricas wrote...

Hardest day ever......my paycheck was only 150k....I mean if you knew what we had planned you would hold on to your copy forever.

And I would get 200k.

Yes, Casey yes!!! MOAR money. MOAR!!!!

I like Steak...... But with that salary I might spring for lobser.   

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

I'm already predicting difficulties in convincing people to preorder the next few Bioware games.

Frankly I'm shocked they're seriously going to try and make another Mass Effect game so soon.  Given how many people are still smarting over this one.

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I get that, but you take the case of Omega and compare it to Leviathan.  Leviathan may well have sold better due to the rumors that it might have something ending related in it.  Omega didn't have that.  So, Omega was just new territory with a lot of people saying youtube was their best friend.  The next DLC will have even fewer ready made customers because a lot of people have by now just left the series altogether.  What might bring them back-it is obvious since even the for pay reviewers are indicating ending related DLC or DLC that changes the endings would be far better than the other variety at this point.

That's speculation on your part. IGN was the one who started the rumors but it never escalated considering many Bioware employees including Mike Gamble put that rumor to rest.

It's more likely that the 50% price increase turned people away, a long side the fact that there were bigger and better things coming out that month.

No, BSN isn't everybody, but it's got the most vocal sampling of all sides.  The most often requested (repeatedly asked for) DLC was ending related.  And as they've shown-you don't have to make everyone that buys it happy-you just have to make them think they will be.  :innocent:

It's a pipe dream to think you'd ever please 100% of the people with anything.  But when people are asking for something and willing to pay for it, you really aren't doing yourself any favors if you ignore it.  That's exactly what the little suggestion cards are for in restaurants.   And it's what every company wants to know and work hard and pay a lot of money to find out.  Companies have psychologists to determine trends-they use rebates that go to one clearinghouse that determines buyer habits, and they use datamining to figure out what you might buy.  People here are telling them what they would buy.  I'm just saying that should be considered.

And you're assuming Bioware, and by extension EA, don't have their own methods of finding trends and what the majority wants? 

I was merely suggesting that Bioware could have decided from whatever source or tool they have that BSN is not the best way to establish what the majority of their fans want. And what I meant by the 100% comment was that while their maybe a huge crowd of people from BSN demanding new ending content, different people want different things from that ending content. What you'd be okay with (and what I would entertain) is an expansion to the existing endings. Other people want entirely new endings and or the ones that currently exist to be retconned. It's not exactly smart to cater to an audience that may or may not respond well to what you've created.

As for the first part, I wasn't speculating anything-I never said BW told people Leviathan would change the endings-they implied it would do something to them.  IGN said Leviathan would change the endings then backtracked yes the next day (in a digital world?) and Mike Gamble said it would not change the endings but would change the context and there would be dialogue added.  This is a company that knew people wanted a change in the endings.  So any tidbit was bound to sell Leviathan.  People wanted to believe IGN and wondered if they had given away a secret.  But it also is open to speculation-what reason would IGN have for saying something that was patently untrue?  Well, they may have many.  But then when Leviathan was released IGN did not love it, nor did they love Omega.  Nor did the other for pay review sites.  They were for once in better agreement with what a lot of fans were saying (metacritic fan reviews are one source).

I know for a fact that EA and Bioware do have their own ways of datamining-Origin is one way.  But, it is also a somewhat flawed way.  They may well use it to determine people like MP far more than SP, and would buy MP alone.  But the truth is far more nuanced.  A lot of people are disenchanted with this SP and like the MP better than this SP, but had the SP been better they might play both more equally or SP more.  Voiced feedback gives context to things that sheer numbers cannot.  That's why suggestion cards for feedback don't just ask yes or no questions.  They ask what you liked or didn't like and how things could work better and so on.  People here are voicing their feedback.  I'm assuming, based on this site-the corporate customer site for this product is at least one area they'd consult since it's the only site where actual owners of the product are the only ones allowed to post.

[TurianRebel212]

IGNorant is just that. Ignorant.

[TJBartlemus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
4 - We have said repeatedly that we will not be doing more endings for ME3 and that the Extended Cut is the "end of the endings". People refuse to believe me, which is fine as I have been known to not tell the whole story, but do not blame me because you choose not to believe. Temper your expectations.

 Coming from the same guy who pointed out to not believe employee's opinions as BioWare's opinions. At least until it is officially posted on the BioWare site or related Twitter/Facebook outlets. He does realize he is an employee too, right?

Until it is officially posted on the BioWare site, I think that people will continue to take the " the Extended Cut is the end of the endings" not seriously. 

PS. In case Chris is still monitoring the thread...I wonder what he believes is the ending of ME3. Cause to be literal, the ending is the stargazer scene. So content before that can be added to or changed without BioWare being accused of lying.

See the bolded part is exactly what can be inferred.  As I said, some have tried to say that the genophage cure is an ending and so is Rannoch and all, so changing the other ending or adding to it isn't technically changing the endings. 

I'm not saying what will or will not happen, but until something has and this train hits a wall, I believe it should tour the area and see who gets on board.

Exactly. What would solve everything for BioWare would be some solid answers instead of the stuff we have been getting for the last year.

All I can say is that I'm tired of waiting for answers. It's been a long journey and I am ready for it to come to an end. (Hopefully)

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...


Last I checked people did try to take it to court but it got shot down since the endings technically were "thematically different." 

Public apologizes are often times viewed as meaningless PR stunts. It certainly didn't help BP during the oil spill, then again it isn't fair to compare that to ME3.

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

And, the Better Business Bureau said they had falsely advertised but it wouldn't likely be actionable.

The lawsuit had no legs, but that is not a determining factor in the veracity of their pre-release hype.  Courts are ill-prepared to deal with such issues.  The things I spoke of tend to be public opinion bearing weight on a company so that something is done.  Not everything that is being sued can actually get far in court.

Actually most lawsuits feature primarily the wish that the one being sued would take responsibility and would apologize.  Sometimes, money is a secondary concern.  Not always, but sometimes.  And I really don't know how we got off onto all this crap because I wasn't even talking about any of this.  I don't care at this point if they apologize or not-at this point, no I wouldn't think it's sincere.  BP's actions belied their words, so their apologies rang hollow.

I am saying that the gaming community needs to get its act together and that includes the so-called journalists that should be constantly questioning things and not earning money from selling games they review.  I'm saying that the devs need to take this all seriously and not attack fans (act professionally), but take appropriate action where needed, or games will always be considered to be toys.  They help to make video games less of an art form than it could be.  Games could take their place alongside movies and be a bridge between movies and books, but they never will if even their creators act like this is all a joke.  But, in no other industry would the fans excuse the pre-release hype or much of what has happened by saying, "what do you expect".  Because for sixty plus dollars I expect more than this.


The reality is that all video game devs are (just as are other industries) in a short term profit mode-because that helps determine long term profits.  They used to focus on yearly sales of a title, then monthly, then first week, then release day, and now it's pre-orders.  This is the result of a shareholders.  No one is in it for longterm gains, anymore if they are publicly traded.  That's why Apple releases something new and shiny every few months.  It's why the modem I just got will only last 2-3 years (same with all tech now).  They need you to keep buying constantly for their shareholders.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 23 janvier 2013 - 01:36 .

[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote..

As for the first part, I wasn't speculating anything-I never said BW told people Leviathan would change the endings-they implied it would do something to them.  IGN said Leviathan would change the endings then backtracked yes the next day (in a digital world?) and Mike Gamble said it would not change the endings but would change the context and there would be dialogue added.  This is a company that knew people wanted a change in the endings.  So any tidbit was bound to sell Leviathan.  People wanted to believe IGN and wondered if they had given away a secret.  But it also is open to speculation-what reason would IGN have for saying something that was patently untrue?  Well, they may have many.  But then when Leviathan was released IGN did not love it, nor did they love Omega.  Nor did the other for pay review sites.  They were for once in better agreement with what a lot of fans were saying (metacritic fan reviews are one source).

I know for a fact that EA and Bioware do have their own ways of datamining-Origin is one way.  But, it is also a somewhat flawed way.  They may well use it to determine people like MP far more than SP, and would buy MP alone.  But the truth is far more nuanced.  A lot of people are disenchanted with this SP and like the MP better than this SP, but had the SP been better they might play both more equally or SP more.  Voiced feedback gives context to things that sheer numbers cannot.  That's why suggestion cards for feedback don't just ask yes or no questions.  They ask what you liked or didn't like and how things could work better and so on.  People here are voicing their feedback.  I'm assuming, based on this site-the corporate customer site for this product is at least one area they'd consult since it's the only site where actual owners of the product are the only ones allowed to post.

Yes but you're trying to say there is a huge correlation between sales and whether the content is ending related or not. It's not exactly defendable when there are other major factors that would likely have a stronger impact on sales, such as price and release date.

IGN says a lot of things for the hits. They said that ME3 would have 16 endings. They made a fanboyish article comparing ME2 to Uncharted 2 even though they're nothing alike, just to invoke a reaction. They can get away with it unfortunately because their credibility is always pretty low.

As for your last paragraph, Mass Effect games (including ME3) have a pretty high attachment rate when it comes to completing SP.  I wouldn't saying SP is the weakest component when they've invested a lot more into that aspect.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 23 janvier 2013 - 01:34 .

[HiddenInWar]

Don't know 'bout ya'll, but speculations is so much fun. It's one of the perks to being a part of the fanbase.

[M920CAIN]

Well... it's human nature to be hopeful, so here's hoping this vid is more than marketing.

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I know for a fact that EA and Bioware do have their own ways of datamining-Origin is one way.  But, it is also a somewhat flawed way.  They may well use it to determine people like MP far more than SP, and would buy MP alone.  But the truth is far more nuanced.  A lot of people are disenchanted with this SP and like the MP better than this SP, but had the SP been better they might play both more equally or SP more.  Voiced feedback gives context to things that sheer numbers cannot.  That's why suggestion cards for feedback don't just ask yes or no questions.  They ask what you liked or didn't like and how things could work better and so on.  People here are voicing their feedback.  I'm assuming, based on this site-the corporate customer site for this product is at least one area they'd consult since it's the only site where actual owners of the product are the only ones allowed to post.

A pity such nuanced questions never seem to get asked.  Could have averted, or at least reduced, a lot of trouble in the last year.

[Morty Smith]

Mnn ... Nnkfff ... Pffff .. Pfahahahahahahahaha!

[EpicBoot2daFace]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

I'm already predicting difficulties in convincing people to preorder the next few Bioware games.

Frankly I'm shocked they're seriously going to try and make another Mass Effect game so soon.  Given how many people are still smarting over this one.

A small (yet, very loud) group of disgruntled customers who hated the ending so much that they resorted to online petitions and cupcakes. The majority loved ME3 despite the disappointing ending. Mass Effect 4 will probably sell more than ME3, given that it will be on new hardware and people want more Mass Effect in general.

[Iakus]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

I'm already predicting difficulties in convincing people to preorder the next few Bioware games.

Frankly I'm shocked they're seriously going to try and make another Mass Effect game so soon.  Given how many people are still smarting over this one.

A small (yet, very loud) group of disgruntled customers who hated the ending so much that they resorted to online petitions and cupcakes. The majority loved ME3 despite the disappointing ending. Mass Effect 4 will probably sell more than ME3, given that it will be on new hardware and people want more Mass Effect in general.

Because I love your avatar I will not rise to your completelly evidence free assertions designed to start an argument 

Modifié par iakus, 23 janvier 2013 - 01:43 .

[MattFini]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

A small (yet, very loud) group of disgruntled customers who hated the ending so much that they resorted to online petitions and cupcakes. The majority loved ME3 despite the disappointing ending. Mass Effect 4 will probably sell more than ME3, given that it will be on new hardware and people want more Mass Effect in general.

Marginalizes one group without any substantiating evidence while suggesting an even bigger group of people feel differently - again without any substantiating evidence. 

[Hexley UK]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

I'm already predicting difficulties in convincing people to preorder the next few Bioware games.

Frankly I'm shocked they're seriously going to try and make another Mass Effect game so soon.  Given how many people are still smarting over this one.

A small (yet, very loud) group of disgruntled customers who hated the ending so much that they resorted to online petitions and cupcakes. The majority loved ME3 despite the disappointing ending. Mass Effect 4 will probably sell more than ME3, given that it will be on new hardware and people want more Mass Effect in general.

Source please as all the numbers and info I have seen point to the exact opposite of this.

If your gonna spew utter BS at least try to fake some facts.

Or do you live in opposite world?

Modifié par Hexley UK, 23 janvier 2013 - 01:46 .

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes but you're trying to say there is a huge correlation between sales and whether the content is ending related or not. It's not exactly defendable when there are other major factors that would likely have a stronger impact on sales, such as price and release date.

IGN says a lot of things for the hits. They said that ME3 would have 16 endings. They made a fanboyish article comparing ME2 to Uncharted 2 even though they're nothing alike, just to invoke a reaction. They can get away with it unfortunately because their credibility is always pretty low.

As for your last paragraph, Mass Effect games (including ME3) have a pretty high attachment rate when it comes to completing SP.  I wouldn't saying SP is the weakest component when they've invested a lot more into that aspect.

No I'm saying that the number of registered owners (known purchasers of this product) on the company's website that care enough one way or another about the game to post, seem to overwhelmingly want ending related content.  The amount of players saying the endings were ok, not great, good enough, but not what I really wanted, is significant enough for BW to really have attempted a dialogue with people that wanted to provide them with feedback.  Other companies pay a lot for this kind of thing.  People here were begging for it.  It's the fact that fans are asking for something en masse that is reasonable to ask for and all they've been met with is derision.  And they still care enough to ask. 

I said IGN could have their own reasons for saying Leviathan changed the endings, but it is also true that BW implied it by saying it changed the context.  It seems likely (though I have no proof) that that is what was told to IGN initially and they misunderstood it. 

I never said SP was the weakest component.  I said that EA/BW could determine that someone is playing MP because they love it and would buy it without the SP if they poll Origin data and see someone's playing a lot of MP and less SP.  The data does not show why the person is playing MP, merely that they are.  For instance, a vast number of people waiting for the EC to be released were playing MP to pass the time.  They could erroneously think that means those people like MP better than SP.  Written feedback explains why people play the way they do.  I dislike the endings, but I've played them all merely to have a good understanding of them-they might think I like the endings.  And ME3 should have a high completion rate, because of the controversy alone.  Someone who didn't like the game, might play to the end just to see what the fuss is about.  ME1 and 2 featured choices that would be used in the next game, so it makes sense to finish them as well.

[crimzontearz]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

I'm already predicting difficulties in convincing people to preorder the next few Bioware games.

Frankly I'm shocked they're seriously going to try and make another Mass Effect game so soon.  Given how many people are still smarting over this one.

A small (yet, very loud) group of disgruntled customers who hated the ending so much that they resorted to online petitions and cupcakes. The majority loved ME3 despite the disappointing ending. Mass Effect 4 will probably sell more than ME3, given that it will be on new hardware and people want more Mass Effect in general.

lol...yep, small. totally

numbers please? because we all know the majority was pissed off by the ending......see i can do that too

[EpicBoot2daFace]

iakus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

I'm already predicting difficulties in convincing people to preorder the next few Bioware games.

Frankly I'm shocked they're seriously going to try and make another Mass Effect game so soon.  Given how many people are still smarting over this one.

A small (yet, very loud) group of disgruntled customers who hated the ending so much that they resorted to online petitions and cupcakes. The majority loved ME3 despite the disappointing ending. Mass Effect 4 will probably sell more than ME3, given that it will be on new hardware and people want more Mass Effect in general.

Because I love your avatar I will not rise to your completelly evidence free assertions designed to start an argument 

Well, thanks for the compliment. But do you really think that it was the majority that signed the online petitions? I don't have numbers, but I'm guessing most people played the game and enjoyed it despite the ending. I'm not saying they weren't disappointed, but they went on with their lives.

It's almost always a very loud vocal minority of pissed off people who have to be pissed off at something to get their jollies. I was among those who played and enjoyed the game, and when the gam wrapped up, I said to myself "well, that kinda sucked" and went on with my life. The fact of the matter is, most endings in video games are often **** and don't offer up much resolution.