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[Joel2211]

I just don't know what other kind of DLC they can come up with that does not involve the end....I know that I have enough "war assets" and don't need anymore so these middle of the game missions need to stop already in my opinion. Then again I've been disappointed before so maybe it will and then add some more useless war assets that have no effect on the ending.

[PainCakesx]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Actions often have bigger impacts. If Bioware continued to exaggerate and make false promises then the gaming community would pick up on this and stop buying their games. You know how capitalism works so I'm not gonna bother being professorial about it. Bioware doesn't seem to be a "short-term profit" type of company so I doubt they'll continue down this road.

I'm already predicting difficulties in convincing people to preorder the next few Bioware games.

Frankly I'm shocked they're seriously going to try and make another Mass Effect game so soon.  Given how many people are still smarting over this one.

A small (yet, very loud) group of disgruntled customers who hated the ending so much that they resorted to online petitions and cupcakes. The majority loved ME3 despite the disappointing ending. Mass Effect 4 will probably sell more than ME3, given that it will be on new hardware and people want more Mass Effect in general.

Source please as all the numbers and info I have seen point to the exact opposite of this.

If your gonna spew utter BS at least try to fake some facts.

Or do you live in opposite world?

Source please on the numbers that prove the "exact opposite"?

See my later posts and then come back....I can't be bothered to post it all again.

no need. There's no poll of every person that purchased the game. Therefore, there's no way to prove what you stated....

I've never seen a poll that indicated that a majority liked the endings. I've seen countless, including one with tens of thousands of votes, that indicated that people overwhelmingly (85% or more) disliked it. Is it scientific? No, but there is much more evidence supporting an overall dissatisfaction with the endings than otherwise.

[Hexley UK]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

I'm not saying they have to do anything. It's their decision as to whether or not they want to address the endings or not.

I, as well as others here, have simply laid out what would allow us to be satisfied again. I'm not hating on BioWare, I genuinely want to be satisfied with the trilogy and devote my full anticipation for the next game. I want this to be post-ending DLC because I want to like the ending.

If they could do that, I and many here would be more than willing to bury the hatchet. As it stands now, they can choose to or choose not to. Most likely they won't, and I'll respond as any consumer can, and not purchase the DLC. That's not because I hate BioWare, but simply because such a DLC would bear little interest to me.

Given that they are a company who's goal is to maximize their profits, what people want and are willing to pay for should be of upmost concern to them. This is why it's confusing to me and others why they refuse to put out the content that people are practically begging for. And they're likely losing out on a lot of money for their refusal as well.

But everyone has different expectations and different things that they would like changed. Knowing BSN, they would look for the most minute detail that isn't quite right and tear it apart, say how terrible Bioware is and go on and on about it  for months. How can any company satify this kind of fanbase?

I'm not expecting to be 110% satisifed with the ending. But as it stands, there are far too may loose ends and a general lack of closure to be satisfied. The ending would fit just fine as the ending of a 1st or 2nd game in a trilogy, but not the 3rd. There has been plenty of discussion as to what people want. Will some people be dissatisfied? Sure, but if they are listening to what people want, which they claim to, then they should have more than a rough idea as to what would satisfy most people. 

Perhaps you aren't, but there are a lot of people who demand that it be perfect, all the way down to their own personal preferences. I think the Extended Cut, whether you liked it or not, was a nice gesture from Bioware.

It wasn't a "nice gesture" it was a face saving PR exercise because they knew they were wrong. They don't deserve to be thanked for half fixing a problem that they themselves created.

[Zulmoka531]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Watch it be about Cerberus.

Okay I'll bite. Just how would it be about Cerberus? 

Find TIM's chair? 

Admiral Hackett: "Shepard, we've heard rumors from Alliance operatives that the Illusive Man is keeping an object of great importance on a remote base beyond the Omega 4 Relay!"

Shepard: "What is it sir?"

Admiral Hackett: "His chair commander, it is made with unique alloys that would be absolutely crucial to the construction of the crucible."

Shepard "Then we need that chair!"

Liara: "Shepard, I would like to accompany you on this mission. I feel once again compelled to be forced upon you!"

War Asset obtained: The Illusives Mans chair- 250!
War Asset Obtained: Liara's Virginity -773

War asset NOT obtained: The Illusives Mans chair- 249!

Liara: "Shepard, this chair. It was made out of Reaper tech and dead children!"
Shepard: "This thing is an abomination!"
Liara: "What are you going to do? We need this chair"
Shepard: "No, we don't, we'll find another way. No chair is worth giving up our hummanity, lets blow it to hell!"

Amazing.

Clearly organics and chairs must combine to make some sort of superior life force. "Chair mode activate, boop".

[Cobretti ftw]

plus, she said on the tweets that this message was not directed to the players.. o.o

Modifié par Cobretti ftw, 23 janvier 2013 - 03:15 .

[Steelcan]

So many walls of text

[PainCakesx]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

I'm not saying they have to do anything. It's their decision as to whether or not they want to address the endings or not.

I, as well as others here, have simply laid out what would allow us to be satisfied again. I'm not hating on BioWare, I genuinely want to be satisfied with the trilogy and devote my full anticipation for the next game. I want this to be post-ending DLC because I want to like the ending.

If they could do that, I and many here would be more than willing to bury the hatchet. As it stands now, they can choose to or choose not to. Most likely they won't, and I'll respond as any consumer can, and not purchase the DLC. That's not because I hate BioWare, but simply because such a DLC would bear little interest to me.

Given that they are a company who's goal is to maximize their profits, what people want and are willing to pay for should be of upmost concern to them. This is why it's confusing to me and others why they refuse to put out the content that people are practically begging for. And they're likely losing out on a lot of money for their refusal as well.

But everyone has different expectations and different things that they would like changed. Knowing BSN, they would look for the most minute detail that isn't quite right and tear it apart, say how terrible Bioware is and go on and on about it  for months. How can any company satify this kind of fanbase?

I'm not expecting to be 110% satisifed with the ending. But as it stands, there are far too may loose ends and a general lack of closure to be satisfied. The ending would fit just fine as the ending of a 1st or 2nd game in a trilogy, but not the 3rd. There has been plenty of discussion as to what people want. Will some people be dissatisfied? Sure, but if they are listening to what people want, which they claim to, then they should have more than a rough idea as to what would satisfy most people. 

Perhaps you aren't, but there are a lot of people who demand that it be perfect, all the way down to their own personal preferences. I think the Extended Cut, whether you liked it or not, was a nice gesture from Bioware.

People expecting perfection will never be satisfied. Those people are in the stark minority, however. Like I said, I'm glad they released the Extended Cut. It's one of the only reasons I'm anticipating ME4 at all. It shored up many of the issues of the original ending, but still left many questions left to be answered - questions that may never be answered at all. That's the problem. 

There needs to be closure, a sense that the trilogy is truly over. Look at all the great trilogies over time - they all have one thing in common. An ending that closed the story arc in a way that allowed people to speculate what happened next, but provided a sense of satisfaction regardless.

As others have said, it's not perfection that we're looking for. It's a satisfying conclusion (conclusion being a key word here) to the story arc. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 janvier 2013 - 03:19 .

[3DandBeyond]

PainCakesx wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But everyone has different expectations and different things that they would like changed. Knowing BSN, they would look for the most minute detail that isn't quite right and tear it apart, say how terrible Bioware is and go on and on about it  for months. How can any company satify this kind of fanbase?

I'm not expecting to be 110% satisifed with the ending. But as it stands, there are far too may loose ends and a general lack of closure to be satisfied. The ending would fit just fine as the ending of a 1st or 2nd game in a trilogy, but not the 3rd. There has been plenty of discussion as to what people want. Will some people be dissatisfied? Sure, but if they are listening to what people want, which they claim to, then they should have more than a rough idea as to what would satisfy most people. 

And it's a fallacy to say they couldn't meet most of the expectations.  This is an argument that is always used when someone wants to do nothing.  The alternative is the status quo which is a risky thing for them.  With new consoles coming out and the great unknown of a new story, they will have a huge outlay of cash, but they've been hemorrhaging fans.  DA2 and TOR caused problems, then ME3.  It isn't just current fans they need to keep, it's new ones that they need to gain.  Because in a shareholder economy, they must constantly be gaining value just to keep even.

By the way, 80, 000 out of a few million is actually a large sample, larger than some other polls use that millions  if not billions of dollars of spending are based upon.  Depends on the poll of course, but considering that the BSN could be like a self-sampled poll of likely buyers of ME games, since it is of actual owners of ME games, the sample is of a good size.  National polls might use 1,000 targeted samples-knowing that there's a likelihood they are representative of their group with a margin of error of around 3%.

[3DandBeyond]

Joel2211 wrote...

I just don't know what other kind of DLC they can come up with that does not involve the end....I know that I have enough "war assets" and don't need anymore so these middle of the game missions need to stop already in my opinion. Then again I've been disappointed before so maybe it will and then add some more useless war assets that have no effect on the ending.

I have over 11,000 EMS and most of the war assets wonder when they will be used to actually fight reapers.  I can't help but keep hearing the hollowness of words like when Javik says he envies us the chance to fight the reapers or something like that.  And every time someone says it's time to take the fight to them, and then we get a boss conversation-so if a boss fight is to video gamey, what is a boss conversation, because it ain't that.

[PainCakesx]

3DandBeyond wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But everyone has different expectations and different things that they would like changed. Knowing BSN, they would look for the most minute detail that isn't quite right and tear it apart, say how terrible Bioware is and go on and on about it  for months. How can any company satify this kind of fanbase?

I'm not expecting to be 110% satisifed with the ending. But as it stands, there are far too may loose ends and a general lack of closure to be satisfied. The ending would fit just fine as the ending of a 1st or 2nd game in a trilogy, but not the 3rd. There has been plenty of discussion as to what people want. Will some people be dissatisfied? Sure, but if they are listening to what people want, which they claim to, then they should have more than a rough idea as to what would satisfy most people. 

And it's a fallacy to say they couldn't meet most of the expectations.  This is an argument that is always used when someone wants to do nothing.  The alternative is the status quo which is a risky thing for them.  With new consoles coming out and the great unknown of a new story, they will have a huge outlay of cash, but they've been hemorrhaging fans.  DA2 and TOR caused problems, then ME3.  It isn't just current fans they need to keep, it's new ones that they need to gain.  Because in a shareholder economy, they must constantly be gaining value just to keep even.

By the way, 80, 000 out of a few million is actually a large sample, larger than some other polls use that millions  if not billions of dollars of spending are based upon.  Depends on the poll of course, but considering that the BSN could be like a self-sampled poll of likely buyers of ME games, since it is of actual owners of ME games, the sample is of a good size.  National polls might use 1,000 targeted samples-knowing that there's a likelihood they are representative of their group with a margin of error of around 3%.

The MOE would have to be astronomically large (+/- 40%) to indicate anything but overwhelming dissatisfaction of the ending. A MOE of +/- 40% would indicate little more accuracy than just asking 2-3 guys their opinion. 

I highly doubt a poll with 80,000 people responding, even factoring in self selectivity, is anywhere near that inaccurate.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 janvier 2013 - 03:22 .

[T41rdEye]

Did I really just see a post of CP saying to "temper your expectations" for the new DLC? WTF?

That's a new one. A company asking it's customers to not have high expectations of their product before they buy it. Am I living in a bizzaro-world?

[Hexley UK]

Me1mN0t wrote...

Did I really just see a post of CP saying to "temper your expectations" for the new DLC? WTF?

That's a new one. A company asking it's customers to not have high expectations of their product before they buy it. Am I living in a bizzaro-world?

Apparently so.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or to be suspicious of some new underhanded marketing technique.

[Gruntburner]

Me1mN0t wrote...

Did I really just see a post of CP saying to "temper your expectations" for the new DLC? WTF?

That's a new one. A company asking it's customers to not have high expectations of their product before they buy it. Am I living in a bizzaro-world?

He is not saying don't get excited, he is saying to rein in your imagination. If people let their imaginations run wild around here, then all they will end up doing is disappointing themselves when the dlc isn't about what the fans thought it would be.

[MattFini]

Me1mN0t wrote...

Did I really just see a post of CP saying to "temper your expectations" for the new DLC? WTF?

That's a new one. A company asking it's customers to not have high expectations of their product before they buy it. Am I living in a bizzaro-world?

To be fair to Chris, I believe his point was that a lot of people in this thread were getting excited about post-ending content.

He's trying to set the expectation so this place doesn't go nuclear like it did last year.

[spirosz]

Well, I guess they didn't realize how emotionally attached a lot of fans became. Realistic expectations and fans expectations for games usually don't intertwine too well, haha.

[TurianRebel212]

The new DLC will not involve the endings at all. They are done. They suck. And that sucks. But it's time to let go. I'm hopping a Garrus/turian centric DLC- going to Palavan to rescue the G-mans father and family. Merkin' some reapers in the process. We've been to thessia, been to Rannoch, Tuchanka, Earth, Surkesh.... hell. we even got to go too the geth consensus and even to an extent find out where the reapers came from. Time for the Turians to get some Big Bird lovin'. Go fight the good fight with Garrus and his bros and gals in arms. And end our journey in ME in style with all guns blazing. Ahhh, a guy can dream. And Dream out loud.

[ssltrain]

PainCakesx wrote...

The MOE would have to be astronomically large (+/- 40%) to indicate anything but overwhelming dissatisfaction of the ending. A MOE of +/- 40% would indicate little more accuracy than just asking 2-3 guys their opinion. 

I highly doubt a poll with 80,000 people responding, even factoring in self selectivity, is anywhere near that inaccurate.

To be fair, that poll does suffer from selection bias. It's not a random sampling of all ME3 players. It's a sampling of people who frequent the BSN (and a few other sites) who were interested/emotional enough to answer the poll questions. Those factors alone imply dispositional similarities among the sample population, thus more confounds.

So, the poll results can only realistically reflect the opinions of people who are cohorts of that sample and cannot be realistically extrapolated to the general ME3 player population. It's as generalizable to the overall ME3 player population as a poll taken at the GOP convention asking "Is Obama the worst President ever?" is generalizable to the overall US population.

Modifié par ssltrain, 23 janvier 2013 - 03:36 .

[Hexley UK]

Gruntburner wrote...

Me1mN0t wrote...

Did I really just see a post of CP saying to "temper your expectations" for the new DLC? WTF?

That's a new one. A company asking it's customers to not have high expectations of their product before they buy it. Am I living in a bizzaro-world?

He is not saying don't get excited, he is saying to rein in your imagination. If people let their imaginations run wild around here, then all they will end up doing is disappointing themselves when the dlc isn't about what the fans thought it would be.

So essentially "This DLC won't be what the fans actually want".

Wow.....please.....take my money......all of it....

[Hexley UK]

ssltrain wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

The MOE would have to be astronomically large (+/- 40%) to indicate anything but overwhelming dissatisfaction of the ending. A MOE of +/- 40% would indicate little more accuracy than just asking 2-3 guys their opinion. 

I highly doubt a poll with 80,000 people responding, even factoring in self selectivity, is anywhere near that inaccurate.

To be fair, that poll does suffer from selection bias. It's not a random sampling of all ME3 players. It's a sampling of people who frequent the BSN (and a few other sites) who were interested/emotional enough to answer the poll questions. Those factors alone imply dispositional similarities among the sample population, thus more confounds.

So, the poll results can only realistically reflect the opinions of people who are cohorts of that sample and cannot be realistically extrapolated to the general ME3 player population.

Thats what MOE takes into account though......

It's not 100% but the fact is it's waaaaaaay more likely that the majority felt this way than didn't.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 23 janvier 2013 - 03:37 .

[PainCakesx]

ssltrain wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

The MOE would have to be astronomically large (+/- 40%) to indicate anything but overwhelming dissatisfaction of the ending. A MOE of +/- 40% would indicate little more accuracy than just asking 2-3 guys their opinion. 

I highly doubt a poll with 80,000 people responding, even factoring in self selectivity, is anywhere near that inaccurate.

To be fair, that poll does suffer from selection bias. It's not a random sampling of all ME3 players. It's a sampling of people who frequent the BSN (and a few other sites) who were interested/emotional enough to answer the poll questions. Those factors alone imply dispositional similarities among the sample population, thus more confounds.

So, the poll results can only realistically reflect the opinions of people who are cohorts of that sample and cannot be realistically extrapolated to the general ME3 player population.

If it were a slight majority of even a somewhat significant majority, then you'd have a point. I'm sure that 90% weren't actually entirely dissatisfied by the ending (hence sample bias), but the MOE would have to be so outrageously high for it to mean that a majority weren't dissatisfied that it would be little more than asking 2-3 people and calling it a day.

That's my point. 

[3DandBeyond]

PainCakesx wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...



And it's a fallacy to say they couldn't meet most of the expectations.  This is an argument that is always used when someone wants to do nothing.  The alternative is the status quo which is a risky thing for them.  With new consoles coming out and the great unknown of a new story, they will have a huge outlay of cash, but they've been hemorrhaging fans.  DA2 and TOR caused problems, then ME3.  It isn't just current fans they need to keep, it's new ones that they need to gain.  Because in a shareholder economy, they must constantly be gaining value just to keep even.

By the way, 80, 000 out of a few million is actually a large sample, larger than some other polls use that millions  if not billions of dollars of spending are based upon.  Depends on the poll of course, but considering that the BSN could be like a self-sampled poll of likely buyers of ME games, since it is of actual owners of ME games, the sample is of a good size.  National polls might use 1,000 targeted samples-knowing that there's a likelihood they are representative of their group with a margin of error of around 3%.

The MOE would have to be astronomically large (+/- 40%) to indicate anything but overwhelming dissatisfaction of the ending. A MOE of +/- 40% would indicate little more accuracy than just asking 2-3 guys their opinion. 

I highly doubt a poll with 80,000 people responding, even factoring in self selectivity, is anywhere near that inaccurate.

Exactly and it can't be because of the location of the poll.  The poll occurs on the website where fans are.  That should skew the poll in the game's favor.  It's like walking into a room of Republicans and asking how many vote Democratic.  If anything the poll should show an overwhelming number of pro-ending votes, if that is true and even if it is not the majority, if the poll is biased in any direction.

[ssltrain]

Hexley UK wrote...

Thats what MOE takes into account though......

No, it doesn't. MOE is simply a % representation of a poll's p-value sensitivity.

Has nothing to do with the representativeness of the sample.

[PainCakesx]

ssltrain wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Thats what MOE takes into account though......

No, it doesn't. MOE is simply a % representation of a poll's p-value sensitivity.

Has nothing to do with the representativeness of the sample.

Unless this poll was conducted in a forum specifically for people who hate the ending, I have a hard time believing that the results were skewed that badly with 80,000 people responding. 

[MattFini]

vivaladricas wrote...

DLC will be Palaven from my guess.  They made their money, congrats.  annnnnnd

If that's the case I honestly don't think my incredibly low expectations could even be met.

Then again, I just don't know what BioWare could do that would get me excited for this DLC.

I think I'm over ME3.

Will definitely look forward to the next game though.