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[ssltrain]

Hexley UK wrote...

Yea I know m8, he's the one arguing that people liked it not me.

No, I'm not. All I'm saying is that it's intellectually dishonest to represent a biased poll as being representative of the overall ME3 game playing population.

The overall population may very well hate the ending. They should. It's ****e.

But, we have no good proof because that poll doesn't represent the population that you and others are claiming. To deny that is to admit that you're either being intentionally disingenuous to try to win a meaningless argument or that you simply don't know jack sh!t about statistical analysis.

Or both, which is what I'm guessing.

[PainCakesx]

[quote]vivaladricas wrote...
[quote]ME859 wrote...
Resident Evil 6 says hello.
[/quote]“Sales of the major new title Resident Evil 6[/i] were initially strong, but subsequently weakened,” reads Capcom’s advisory to investors, “As a result, sales for this title are certain to fall short of the plan.”Capcom’s expectations for Resident Evil 6[/i] were certainly ambitious. At the beginning of the fiscal year, Capcom expected the latest entry in its long-running horror series to sell 7 million copies, more than three times the sales expectations for its closest expected bestseller, DmC: Devil May Cry[/i]. The expectation wasn’t unwarranted, however. Resident Evil 5 [/i]sold 5 million copies during its first two months of availability in 2009, a sell-through rate of 100 percent of the companies first shipment of the game.
Read more: http://www.digitaltr...#ixzz2IleHUn4p [/quote]

Strong initial sales don't mean anything nor does having a legacy in this industry.  It might allow you to mail in one game even two, but eventually it catches up to you.  And if ME3 has 4.5 million sales then it is a failure.  A huge failure. ME3 should be the type of game shooting for no less then 7 million and really aiming for 10 million.  [/quote]
God that demo was HORRIBLE, I skipped cause of that.  Long way from the awesomness of RE4.  
I think Gears of War sells around 5-6 mil, I am too lazy to check, so I actually thought the ME3 # was okay.  Might be wrong, I know they have a huge budget, and a lot of sales to retailers probably were on the cheap since the price drops everywhere pretty quickly.  I also think the negative reviews scared them off.   You got to be solid all the way through.  
Nolan re-established Batman in 05' and box office was 350 mil I think.  All this is top of my head 
The next two over a billion at the box office.  I know it's film but it shows a person that damn well FACT gets the majority to like his work.  
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Speaking of Nolan's Batman - that's a great example of a properly concluded trilogy. Closure, proper end to the story arc and loose ends tied up. 

I was sad that the trilogy was over, but I was damn satisfied about the way it ended.
Something like that is all the ending needs. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 janvier 2013 - 04:12 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

3DandBeyond wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...


Unless this poll was conducted in a forum specifically for people who hate the ending, I have a hard time believing that the results were skewed that badly with 80,000 people responding. 

You don't need an #'s and %'s argument.  They is zero way they make an EC and spend cash if the number of people wasn't of a decent significance.   IMO that is a 2+2 =4.  If it was real small and no chance for losing longterm purchases there is no way they are making an EC, absolutely zero. 

Exactly.  They saw numbers that were not good-involving money.  It also hit TOR with 400k subscriptions canceled, not all due to TOR being bad itself.

PainCakesx is correct, the BSN is composed of fans.  So they are by definition those that like a game and a dev.  If it was not a majority opinion and a decent sampling all bias should have been the opposite.  At best, the results would have been less divergent.

We're arguing numbers here. According to the interview in last month's Game Informer with the Bioware's Aaryn Flynn it didn't sound to me like it was a "vocal minority" who disliked the ending to ME3. And while he said they are glad they did the EC it still reads like they are taking this quite seriously.

They know a lot of their fans are disenchanted right now and they need to win them back. I hope they are able to do that. They've been a go-to game company in the past. I'd like to see them become that again.

So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a rescue and blue babies. I want to get out of that rubble.

[Hexley UK]

ssltrain wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Yea I know m8, he's the one arguing that people liked it not me.

No, I'm not. All I'm saying is that it's intellectually dishonest to represent a biased poll as being representative of the overall ME3 game playing population.

The overall population may very well hate the ending. They should. It's ****e.

But, we have no good proof because that poll doesn't represent the population that you and others are claiming. To deny that is to admit that you're either being intentionally disingenuous to try to win a meaningless argument or that you simply don't know jack sh!t about statistical analysis.

Or both, which is what I'm guessing.

Didn't say I had proof.

I said there is evidence which strongly supports that it's likely.

Not the same thing.

You do know theres a difference between proof and supporting evidence right?

Because your so smart right?

Don't patronize me m8, it tends to come across as rather desperate tbh.

[PainCakesx]

In the interest in keeping this from being locked, I would like to avoid any conflict that would result in that. :-/

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

'Trust your writers'

Trust needs to be earned.

[Hexley UK]

vivaladricas wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Speaking of Nolan's Batman - that's a great example of a properly concluded trilogy. Closure, proper end to the story arc and loose ends tied up. 

I was sad that the trilogy was over, but I was damn satisfied about the way it ended.
Something like that is all the ending needs. 

Sorry Cakes I was trying to fix the formatting as fast as I could, I messed it up, little messy our replies are. 

And 100% agreed.  Rotten Tomatoes over 80%, on IMDB it sits at 8.5 and in the top 250.  40 I think.  

TDKR did have plotholes, GAPING ones, but a professional writer works it out, and there was far more right than bad there, it is not a contest.  He was rushed on it and I think that was some of the issues, but nothing that killed it for me. Great trilogy.  And you can't kill Batman, he gets it done!  Unlike Shepard.  

Now Garrus in the cape in ME.... he gets it done!! 

TDKR was good......but TDK set the bar to high I think and kinda ruined it.

[ME859]

New Free DLC idea. Liara and Shep have blue babies, but Shepard becomes disenchanted and leaves Liara after which she sues him for child support. You can either pay nothing and get a pro bono lawyer or for 1,000 Microsoft Points you get a mid grade Batarian law firm to represent you. You can also get an elite elcor law firm for an extra 2,000 Microsoft Points.

"Fained astonishment, is it true Ms. T'soni that you were head of a notorious criminal organization."

"I....."

"Condescending rebuttal, a simple yes or no will do Ms. T'soni"

[PainCakesx]

TDKR wasn't perfect, but it was more than good enough to leave me satisfied. Definitely the best 3rd movie in a trilogy in a long time.

Given how high a bar that TDK was, the fact that TDKR could even compare to it was one hell of an achievement.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 23 janvier 2013 - 04:21 .

[I can Hackett]

ME859 wrote...

New Free DLC idea. Liara and Shep have blue babies, but Shepard becomes disenchanted and leaves Liara after which she sues him for child support. You can either pay nothing and get a pro bono lawyer or for 1,000 Microsoft Points you get a mid grade Batarian law firm to represent you. You can also get an elite elcor law firm for an extra 2,000 Microsoft Points.

"Fained astonishment, is it true Ms. T'soni that you were head of a notorious criminal organization."

"I....."

"Condescending rebuttal, a simple yes or no will do Ms. T'soni"

[Asch Lavigne]

I liked how TDKR tied to the first movie really well but I felt it lacked the same connection to the second movie.

And so this doesn't get too off topic: Unlike Batman, I felt like the ME Trilogy were three separate games/stories instead of three parts of one game/story.

[MegaSovereign]

Lol...I hated TDKR's ending.

I tried to critique the endings like how BSN critiques ME3's endings. My friends told me to STFU.

[Zazzerka]

I read the first three pages, and overdosed on train metaphors.

I am now dead.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 23 janvier 2013 - 04:31 .

[ME859]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

I read the first three pages, and overdosed on train metaphors.

I am now dead.

Sounds like you got a bit off track.

[DirtyPhoenix]

My favourite two VAs from ME. Its kinda weird to listen to then out of game. xD

[Mr. Gogeta34]

No trailer?  No announcement?  No legitimate information?  No hype.

[Optimus J]

Have anyone seem that it's the EXACTLY OPPOSITE and Jennifer Hale was in fact complaining about Bioware not letting their writers put something good to come in the last DLC?

It's right there on her twitter, It's not for US players to trust on the writers. It's for "OTHER PEOPLE" start to trust their OWN writers... Not a hard message to get.

Modifié par Optimus J, 23 janvier 2013 - 04:49 .

[CynicalShep]

Optimus J wrote...

Have anyone seem that it's the EXACTLY OPPOSITE and Jennifer Hale was in fact complaining about Bioware not letting their writers put something good to come in the last DLC?

It's right there on her twitter, It's not for US players to trust on the writers. It's for "OTHER PEOPLE" start to trust their OWN writers... Not a hard message to get.

Welcome to the new Bioware

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

AresKeith wrote...

Don't ride the Hype train

The destination is usually disappoint.  But if it turns out that the DLC is good and fulfills certain requirements, I'll pay.  I'm too experienced at this sort of thing to get my hopes up.  That way, if it's bad, I won't be crushed.  If it's good, hallelujah.

[CynicalShep]

ME859 wrote...

GT Zazzerka wrote...

I read the first three pages, and overdosed on train metaphors.

I am now dead.

Sounds like you got a bit off track.

Hope he saw the light at the end of the tunnel

[Mr. Gogeta34]

So... IT confirmed?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 23 janvier 2013 - 04:56 .