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[ottifant64]

People should stop interpreting too much in this.

About the ending:

[ME859]

Robosexual wrote...

I've noticed that some people seem to believe this will be ending related and that Bioware are lying when they say it's not.

So, if it is ending related, wont those people complain about Bioware lying? And if it isn't, wont those people complain about it not being ending related?

Seems like a no-win situation for Bioware.

That would be like me yelling at my parents on Christmas Day for getting me the Dreamcast they told me they weren't going to get.

[Optimus J]

ottifant64 wrote...

People should stop interpreting too much in this.

About the ending:

There are PEOPLE interpreting too much? Who besides Denial Jane is doing that?

[garrusfan1]

sarcasm: thanks OP now I got my hopes up

Modifié par garrusfan1, 23 janvier 2013 - 05:17 .

[shnig_1]

The dlc better be something significant in some way, related to the ending or not. Omega just felt like a random side mission. Leviathan was ok in not feeling like "just another mission", so I hope this citadel does something craaaazy.

Maybe teasing a new threat for the galaxy post-reapers? That would be cool, I have no idea what kind of threat or how to introduce it, but admit it, if its done right, hype would be through the roof for me4. Assuming its a sequel of course, and not a prequel.

If the story is a prequel, I'm afraid it will feel to much like DA2, with to little of a big conflict. People keep saying they can make it more personal, intimate, whatever, but face it, it would feel like a little letdown after galaxy saving epic antics of this trilogy.

The new threat may not have to be as bug as the reapers, but it has to be significant enough to feel epic. First contact war people, do you realize it was like a tiny battle, before humans were involved with the other races, sounds fun to me......

[Nerevar-as]

Robosexual wrote...

I've noticed that some people seem to believe this will be ending related and that Bioware are lying when they say it's not.

So, if it is ending related, wont those people complain about Bioware lying? And if it isn't, wont those people complain about it not being ending related?

Seems like a no-win situation for Bioware.

They painted themselves in that corner when they approved the ending, it didn´t take much to realize the ****storm it would cause. But if it´s ending related, no, I won´t be angry about them lying (as a comicbook reader I´m more than used to it), I´ll be very angry of having been sold an incomplete game and then having to pay extra for the proper ending. Unless it isn´t released on PC for "business reasons" (frakking UBISOFT<_<).

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 23 janvier 2013 - 05:18 .

[Zezer1]

Thore2k10 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4 - We have said repeatedly that we will not be doing more endings for ME3 and that the Extended Cut is the "end of the endings". People refuse to believe me, which is fine as I have been known to not tell the whole story, but do not blame me because you choose not to believe. Temper your expectations.

i dont get it... at the end of the day you want to make money, so why dont you do something there obviously is a market for... its not like it would hurt you in any way. bethesda had no problems with that after a much smaller fan outcry, so its not like its forbidden or anything...

no offence, just honestly curious...

That's an interesting question :-)

Perhaps it's just that more people are happy with the ME3 EC ending than you would expect. The BSN is only a very small community compared to the overall amount of Me3 Players.

But I don't think he's allowed to give an answer.

[ottifant64]

garrusfan1 wrote...

sarcasm: thanks OP now I got my hopes up

You like Garrus. I lost all my hope.

[ottifant64]

Optimus J wrote...

ottifant64 wrote...

People should stop interpreting too much in this.

About the ending:

There are PEOPLE interpreting too much? Who besides Denial Jane is doing that?

Who?

[78stonewobble]

*snide comment*

Yeh... I prefer all my games and endings as being "okay". I don't want or need good games / endings.

Average is enough for me.

/sarcasm off

Naw... but seriously? Okay is good enough?

[3DandBeyond]

Zezer1 wrote...

Thore2k10 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4 - We have said repeatedly that we will not be doing more endings for ME3 and that the Extended Cut is the "end of the endings". People refuse to believe me, which is fine as I have been known to not tell the whole story, but do not blame me because you choose not to believe. Temper your expectations.

i dont get it... at the end of the day you want to make money, so why dont you do something there obviously is a market for... its not like it would hurt you in any way. bethesda had no problems with that after a much smaller fan outcry, so its not like its forbidden or anything...

no offence, just honestly curious...

That's an interesting question :-)

Perhaps it's just that more people are happy with the ME3 EC ending than you would expect. The BSN is only a very small community compared to the overall amount of Me3 Players.

But I don't think he's allowed to give an answer.

Actually, we've gone over that.  The BSN has the highest concentration of people who should be pre-disposed to just love everything about ME3-registered/actual owners.  But, they don't just love the ending, EC or otherwise.  The statements about it range from those that do like it, to those that are satisfied with it, to those that will live with it, to those that say it's better than the original but not good, to those who plain out don't like it.  The majority in all polls do not feel it was great.  And a large group of even those that were ok with it stated that and said further that they were done with BW and ME games because of this whole thing and because ME3 still didn't have the type of ending it should have had.

This small community is the one place where actual owners of the game are the only ones allowed to post (in this area) and the love has not been huge and widespread.  By contrast, if you go to any other company's registered owners area you will see if the product is well-received.  If the product has a problem, you are very likely to find that is also the place where people go to ask that it be fixed.

[Nerevar-as]

Zezer1 wrote...

Thore2k10 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4 - We have said repeatedly that we will not be doing more endings for ME3 and that the Extended Cut is the "end of the endings". People refuse to believe me, which is fine as I have been known to not tell the whole story, but do not blame me because you choose not to believe. Temper your expectations.

i dont get it... at the end of the day you want to make money, so why dont you do something there obviously is a market for... its not like it would hurt you in any way. bethesda had no problems with that after a much smaller fan outcry, so its not like its forbidden or anything...

no offence, just honestly curious...

That's an interesting question :-)

Perhaps it's just that more people are happy with the ME3 EC ending than you would expect. The BSN is only a very small community compared to the overall amount of Me3 Players.

But I don't think he's allowed to give an answer.

I´d say most who aren´t here or on similar places just moved on. If I didn´t feel passionate about the game I´d probably had rolled my eyes at the huge disaster, dropped the game into a box and forgotten about it. The ending is the new low standard example in how to screw things up in some unrelated forums I´ve read though.

[Jadebaby]

Daniel_N7 wrote...
Because if these are the endings, and BioWare has nothing to add, that is the confirmation that their original vision was to basically implode the Mass Effect Universe we knew and loved. That was it, remember? The Relays exploded. The Citadel exploded. The Alliance fleet was stranded on orbit of a devastated Earth and the Normandy team was marooned in some mysterious paradise planet somewhere.

Some people are going to say that the Extended Cut fixed all that so it doesn’t matter. Oh yes it does. Because the Extended Cut was made to please the fans. And if BioWare didn’t have the intention of expanding on these endings, bringing them to a new light or add some kind of epilogue afterwards, that was it, their vision.

The only metaphor I can use is as if BioWare had built this wonderful playground and invited us all in. And we fell in love with it. And then, in the end, BioWare decided to burn the playground and, when we all complained about it, they decided to conceal it with a new coat of paint. But it still smells burnt.

This is so full of win!

Best post I've seen in a long while, congrats!

CR121691 wrote...

Can't control myself. I just keep refreshing this thread. I'm on the hype train and I'm proud of it!

So you should be!

[Bendigoe]

I am so conflicted.

[Jaison1986]

Just out of curiosity Jade, how would you feel if by any means Bioware chooses IT instead of PT? It's just an "what if" scenario. I aways had been curious about your opinion.

[NatP]

Bendigoe wrote...

I am so conflicted.

Don't be, it's gonna be a good one! I mean, it's the first ever DLC Joker will appear in, the me3 squaddies will appear, Harbinger is somewhat probable and all the writers are back. I don't know what they're going to do but it just has to be something good!

[Hadeedak]

It's pep talk time!

Though I'm not hoping for ending DLC. I'm hoping for one as niftykeen as Leviathan. I'm honestly just enjoying a thread that hasn't degenerated into gloom.

[Jadebaby]

dead_goon wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Anyone consider Hale may have been talking about SPARTAN Ops?

I get the impression that the only thing that entered the OP's head was: Jennifer Hale said what?!, Quick, to the internet!.. 

You're.... Not wrong..

Robosexual wrote...

I've noticed that some people seem to believe this will be ending related and that Bioware are lying when they say it's not.

So, if it is ending related, wont those people complain about Bioware lying? And if it isn't, wont those people complain about it not being ending related?

Seems like a no-win situation for Bioware.

The sounds of people going "you li.." I can't even finish the sentence because they will be that drowned out by the hype train unloading all it's passengers in victory land!

[Jadebaby]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Just out of curiosity Jade, how would you feel if by any means Bioware chooses IT instead of PT? It's just an "what if" scenario. I aways had been curious about your opinion.

All for it Jaison

Anything that gets Shepard out of that rubble and back on the Normandy.

I was an ITer before the EC, I just didn't see how it could be plausible after the EC through destroy, so I thought it might be via refuse... But IT was really touchy back then and people had problems with an IT refuse, so I did more research and thought maybe we could get a successful refuse.

I'm 50/50 on both, I have no extra interest in PT, I've said many times before that I didn't create the theory, lots of people did, I just gave it a voice. That's why it can't be seen as a fan idea/fanfic ending because I'm just speculating on what *could* happen.

[3DandBeyond]

JadeShepard wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...
Because if these are the endings, and BioWare has nothing to add, that is the confirmation that their original vision was to basically implode the Mass Effect Universe we knew and loved. That was it, remember? The Relays exploded. The Citadel exploded. The Alliance fleet was stranded on orbit of a devastated Earth and the Normandy team was marooned in some mysterious paradise planet somewhere.

Some people are going to say that the Extended Cut fixed all that so it doesn’t matter. Oh yes it does. Because the Extended Cut was made to please the fans. And if BioWare didn’t have the intention of expanding on these endings, bringing them to a new light or add some kind of epilogue afterwards, that was it, their vision.

The only metaphor I can use is as if BioWare had built this wonderful playground and invited us all in. And we fell in love with it. And then, in the end, BioWare decided to burn the playground and, when we all complained about it, they decided to conceal it with a new coat of paint. But it still smells burnt.

This is so full of win!

Best post I've seen in a long while, congrats!
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I agree with this so much.  What you generally hear is that this was BW's game and story to tell as they pleased.  Well, great business strategy.  Create something just so you like it when you want to sell it to others.  That's not how business works.  Then, to reinforce that idea by saying that you listened to those that did not like the self-serving product you released, by releasing something that supposedly appeals to buyers, but that you only squirted perfume on is more that says you like what you did and are not moving from that position. 

They decided that the "feels" weren't right about it all, so they needed to show ignorant players that the relays never destroyed the galaxy, stranded the fleets, or any such thing-stupid players that didn't realize this.  To puncuate all that, they created slides of Krogan, Krogan with babies, Krogan rebuilding Tuchanka, Krogan planning stuff, lots o' Krogan, oh and a couple other people because hey man, the Krogan are awesome.  Seeeeeee, the relays didn't destroy everything.  Happiness rules.

That is superficial stuff that is not at all at the core of what was wrong.  The core is still rotten and in order for things to be set straight, BW has to stop serving their own needs and deflecting the blame onto fans who are just way too ignorant to understand what the endings say, so they won't catch their awesomeness.

So this was BW's story to tell, well then they never should have included dialogue or the possibility of a main character that does not fit with the endings.  They never should have allowed us to care or even forced us to care about the hero and those s/he cared about.  But, if you are making an RPG with a variety of endings that should appeal to the variety of types of hero you as a dev create then you darn well should include that type of character at the end of the story.  You should write an ending that fits that type of character and all types that you created and allowed people to play.

[Iakus]

JadeShepard wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

Just out of curiosity Jade, how would you feel if by any means Bioware chooses IT instead of PT? It's just an "what if" scenario. I aways had been curious about your opinion.

All for it Jaison

Anything that gets Shepard out of that rubble and back on the Normandy.

I was an ITer before the EC, I just didn't see how it could be plausible after the EC through destroy, so I thought it might be via refuse... But IT was really touchy back then and people had problems with an IT refuse, so I did more research and thought maybe we could get a successful refuse.

I'm 50/50 on both, I have no extra interest in PT, I've said many times before that I didn't create the theory, lots of people did, I just gave it a voice. That's why it can't be seen as a fan idea/fanfic ending because I'm just speculating on what *could* happen.

I'd accept Ewoks kicking Reaper tail if it meant a more upbet ending for Shepard.

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I agree with this so much.  What you generally hear is that this was BW's game and story to tell as they pleased.  Well, great business strategy.  Create something just so you like it when you want to sell it to others.  That's not how business works.  Then, to reinforce that idea by saying that you listened to those that did not like the self-serving product you released, by releasing something that supposedly appeals to buyers, but that you only squirted perfume on is more that says you like what you did and are not moving from that position. 

They decided that the "feels" weren't right about it all, so they needed to show ignorant players that the relays never destroyed the galaxy, stranded the fleets, or any such thing-stupid players that didn't realize this.  To puncuate all that, they created slides of Krogan, Krogan with babies, Krogan rebuilding Tuchanka, Krogan planning stuff, lots o' Krogan, oh and a couple other people because hey man, the Krogan are awesome.  Seeeeeee, the relays didn't destroy everything.  Happiness rules.

That is superficial stuff that is not at all at the core of what was wrong.  The core is still rotten and in order for things to be set straight, BW has to stop serving their own needs and deflecting the blame onto fans who are just way too ignorant to understand what the endings say, so they won't catch their awesomeness.

So this was BW's story to tell, well then they never should have included dialogue or the possibility of a main character that does not fit with the endings.  They never should have allowed us to care or even forced us to care about the hero and those s/he cared about.  But, if you are making an RPG with a variety of endings that should appeal to the variety of types of hero you as a dev create then you darn well should include that type of character at the end of the story.  You should write an ending that fits that type of character and all types that you created and allowed people to play.

Bolded for truth.

[StElmo]

Robosexual wrote...

I've noticed that some people seem to believe this will be ending related and that Bioware are lying when they say it's not.

So, if it is ending related, wont those people complain about Bioware lying? And if it isn't, wont those people complain about it not being ending related?

Seems like a no-win situation for Bioware.

No. People will be happy that they got what they wanted I expect.

It's kind of like when your parents say they might not have enough money for your present this year, then give you it when you least expect it on your birthday.

[Thore2k10]

StElmo wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

I've noticed that some people seem to believe this will be ending related and that Bioware are lying when they say it's not.

So, if it is ending related, wont those people complain about Bioware lying? And if it isn't, wont those people complain about it not being ending related?

Seems like a no-win situation for Bioware.

No. People will be happy that they got what they wanted I expect.

It's kind of like when your parents say they might not have enough money for your present this year, then give you it when you least expect it on your birthday.

The last thing i would do is complain... i would happily give them my money and book this ending debacle under "mistakes happen" (well sort of)!