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[zyntifox]

I thought my wife was pretty funny when she told me why she would never pick synthesis. She said that fusing synthetics and organics to solve the conflict is like solving racism by making everyone white.

[crimzontearz]

Cstaf wrote...

I thought my wife was pretty funny when she told me why she would never pick synthesis. She said that fusing synthetics and organics to solve the conflict is like solving racism by making everyone white.

or blasian...

[Galbrant]

Cstaf wrote...

I thought my wife was pretty funny when she told me why she would never pick synthesis. She said that fusing synthetics and organics to solve the conflict is like solving racism by making everyone white.

LOL... so true. 

[The Heretic of Time]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You become the new Catalyst. You replace the AI that the Leviathans made. You don't become a Reaper.

(I snipped the rest because... you know. (: )

Is it said that you become the next Catalyst? I always thought you become some sort of higher entity able to control the Reapers, but not a new Catalyst - because why whould Shep replace the current one? The Catalyst itself didn't say anything about it. And how would it be possible to turn a human of flesh and blood into an Artifcial Intelligence (that the Catalyst is)? - I know, I know. Space magic, just like the Synthesis ending, too. But you get the gist of it.

Well, let's all be honest here, the game does indeed not explicitly state that Shepard becomes the next Catalyst, but it is very much so implied.

Consider this:

- The Catalyst controls the reapers. In the Control ending (referred to as CE from now on)  Shepard controls the reapers.
- The Catalyst, as an AI, doesn't have a corporal form. Shepard in the CE doesn't have a corporal form any longer.
- When Shepard touches the control rods in the CE, the Catalyst disappears as soon as Shepard is fully incinerated, suggesting Shepard replaced him.

There are a lot of things that suggest Shepard replaces the Catalyst in the CE. Shepard's mind is uploaded in the CE and replaces the Catalyst. How else could Shepard('s mind) be able to control the reapers without a corporal form?

[EpicBoot2daFace]

"Living tissue over metal endoskeleton." - Synthesis.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 23 janvier 2013 - 09:04 .

[Sebby]

Cstaf wrote...

I thought my wife was pretty funny when she told me why she would never pick synthesis. She said that fusing synthetics and organics to solve the conflict is like solving racism by making everyone white.

It's more akin to making everyone multiracial.

[Galbrant]

Modifié par Galbrant, 23 janvier 2013 - 09:20 .

[Ticonderoga117]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

*Arnie snip*

"Living tissue over metal endoskeleton." - Synthesis.

No, that doesn't quite convey the horror of forced Synthesis. With the T-800 series, there's a clear distinction of organic and synthetic. "Real" skin over robot body.

However, Synthesis is fusing organic and synthetics together so that there is no dividing line. It's like being a Husk or Collector in the MEU or a nano-Aug from the first DX. The Borg can also fit here. A human post-Synthesis isn't human any more.

[Ticonderoga117]

Paulomedi wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Synthesis is free internet and education for the whole galaxy!

And free acess to every rapist, sociopath and genocidal maniacs mind! Better yet, vice-versa!

Do you feel clean yet?

And all of this pales in comparison to having a direct line to the REAPERS! Enjoy your indoctrination piped directly into your brain.

[MegaSovereign]

clennon8 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Actually, that is EXACTLY what happens if you choose Control.  You become a Reaper.

A hybrid? Nope.

This is how people cope with the endings.  Denial.

The originally leaked script spelled it out more clearly, but it's still true.  You become a Reaper.

Nice confirmation bias. The leaked script also labeled Synthesis as the best ending, effectively debunking the IT.

[Galbrant]

Speaking of the Borg,,, the introduction of the Borg Queen in First Contact and Voyager ruins the mystique of the Borg Collective and turned them into a laughing stock... So I guess she is a lot like the catalyst.

[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

I thought my wife was pretty funny when she told me why she would never pick synthesis. She said that fusing synthetics and organics to solve the conflict is like solving racism by making everyone white.

It's more akin to making everyone multiracial.

Same thing really

[The Heretic of Time]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

*Arnie snip*

"Living tissue over metal endoskeleton." - Synthesis.

No, that doesn't quite convey the horror of forced Synthesis. With the T-800 series, there's a clear distinction of organic and synthetic. "Real" skin over robot body.

However, Synthesis is fusing organic and synthetics together so that there is no dividing line. It's like being a Husk or Collector in the MEU or a nano-Aug from the first DX. The Borg can also fit here. A human post-Synthesis isn't human any more.

Bullsh*t.

The augmented humans in the first Deus Ex game are still humans. Like you said, Synthesis is like the nano-augmentation from Deus Ex. So no, humans are still humans in Synthesis. They're just augmented humans now.

[shodiswe]

Galbrant wrote...

Speaking of the Borg,,, the introduction of the Borg Queen in First Contact and Voyager ruins the mystique of the Borg Collective and turned them into a laughing stock... So I guess she is a lot like the catalyst.

I think I prefered the Borg when they were more like a force of nature. I guess they wanted to make them a more personal threat.

[Ticonderoga117]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Bullsh*t.

The augmented humans in the first Deus Ex game are still humans. Like you said, Synthesis is like the nano-augmentation from Deus Ex. So no, humans are still humans in Synthesis. They're just augmented humans now.

Perhaps. However, with Synthesis it seems to go a step beyond. Hard to say without more information.

Doesn't make it any better though.

[The Heretic of Time]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Bullsh*t.

The augmented humans in the first Deus Ex game are still humans. Like you said, Synthesis is like the nano-augmentation from Deus Ex. So no, humans are still humans in Synthesis. They're just augmented humans now.

Perhaps. However, with Synthesis it seems to go a step beyond. Hard to say without more information.

Doesn't make it any better though.

A step beyond? You mean like the Helios ending in Deus Ex 2? Yeah, it's pretty much like that I think. And although it might look or sound horrific to some people, I don't think it's objectivly bad, evil or horrific at all. Everyone still seems to be themselves in Synthesis and everyone seems to be doing quite well.

[The Heretic of Time]

The original Synthesis.

[Ultranovae]

Hear that mr Anderson? It's the sound of inevitability.
Synthesis is evolution, just like the dinosaur.
You humans are a decease a cancer of this universe and we synthesized are the cure.

[Ultranovae]

It's interesting to see these boards as a testing ground for the reaction the public would have to synthesis in the ME universe. Some would love, some would hate it. I chose synthesis and I was afraid it was too happy rainbows and unicorns, but seeing the divisiveness it clearly creates, I'm again happy of my decision knowing that it can lead to an interesting population dynamic.

[Steelcan]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The original Synthesis.

. That was hella creepy

[Ticonderoga117]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

A step beyond? You mean like the Helios ending in Deus Ex 2? Yeah, it's pretty much like that I think. And although it might look or sound horrific to some people, I don't think it's objectivly bad, evil or horrific at all. Everyone still seems to be themselves in Synthesis and everyone seems to be doing quite well.

Synthesis alone is not bad, evil, or horrific. However, it is horrific when it's forced and presented as the ONLY way two sides can get along.

That just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[3DandBeyond]

Ultranovae wrote...

It's interesting to see these boards as a testing ground for the reaction the public would have to synthesis in the ME universe. Some would love, some would hate it. I chose synthesis and I was afraid it was too happy rainbows and unicorns, but seeing the divisiveness it clearly creates, I'm again happy of my decision knowing that it can lead to an interesting population dynamic.

No conflict there, right.  Oh as long as it's not synthetics killing organics then everything is fine.  Synthetics get understanding from somewhere, who knows.  Organics get tech completely integrated inside them from somewhere, who knows.  And eventually immortality is achieved-EDI says so.  However, synthetics already are immortal (I think Javik says this), and immortal organics that can breed aren't bound to cause any problems are they?

And again there is the lesson of the Zha'til.  The tech took over inside organic peoples' bodies.  Sounds like a plan.

[adam32867]

in it for the lolz wrote...

...being a ******? why yes it is.

Also:

Hahahahahaha

[Auld Wulf]

clennon8 wrote...

No. It's transhumanism!  And transhumanism is GOOD.  Therefore Synthesis is GOOD. What's that you say, people who do care about narrative context, thematic consistency, and violation of consent?  LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA.

Except that if you're a smart, handsome, observant person then you can clearly understand the context and why the story is consistent. Some people don't get it, and I don't get them. ME1 was about the geth invasion (synthetics versus organics), ME2 was about the subjugation of a race (the collectors) by the old machines... and ME1 and ME2 weren't about an overarching synthetic-organic struggle? I'm sorry, what?

Furthermore, if you're a smart, handsome, well-read person then you'd be aware that one of the synthesis endings points out that it's entirely optional. So you're objectively wrong on that count. How does that make you feel?

I think synthesis haters hate logic, facts, and observational skills almost as much as they hate synthesis.