GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Where are you getting these facts from?
Chris L'Etoile.
... the Reapers, whether you go by the officially-mandated vision of them (cybernetic amalgams of organics and technology), or the version I hoped to see (post-Singularity preservation of organics), ...
To clarify, the Reapers would've still "harvested" organics in the latter by uploading their minds to each individual Reaper, but the organic body would be discarded and the Reapers would still be purely synthetic.
And no, an upload would not constitute "synthesis." If a computer uploads (data, from) your mind, it doesn't become cyborg. It's still just a computer, synthetic technology. If anything, it would be closer to ME3 Control than Synthesis.
ElSuperGecko wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
I heard you didn't like my explanations of indoctrination in this thread. Tell me, what exactly did you take issue with here? Don't hold back. Afterall, censorship kills healthy debate!
Indeed it does. As you wish, this thread is now about indoctrination! YAY!
Now about? Don't be coy. People aren't that stupid. We can see the obvious IT-supporters here putting an equally-obvious IT spin on the discussion at hand.
To that end, IT'ers need to stop thinking everyone around here is too stupid to see what they're doing. You folks are making a bunch of threads with obvious IT implications disguised by questioning events in the ending at face-value, either because you're mad about Priestly's lock on your old thread, or... no, that's about it.
Well, it's a joke. Acting like "No, I'm merely trying to provoke some discussion here (... heh heh heh!)" when it's so obvious you're just trying to spark some IT talk, and retaliating against the IT lock. People call it out for what it is in those threads: thinly-veiled IT. Frankly, the fact you folks even try to pretend to us that it isn't is insulting to our intelligence. That's what's really bothersome about it. I don't even care that you're trying to discuss IT, I just hate how you're doing it. You're BS'ing me, and everyone else. Nobody likes people BS'ing them.
We get it, you're not happy about Priestly's lock, but be a little pragmatic. If you really care about IT, cut the crap. IT'ers don't have a very good reputation to begin with. You're only making yourselves look worse.
The bickering over the length of time indoctrination requires seemed to develop into nothing more than sematics.
It's not "semantics." Two days is closer to 1 hour than 1 week.
That's not even the important part. If Shepard were indoctrinated in Arrival, why did he destroy the relay to stop them?
Shepard even says "no more visions" back in the med-bay on the Normandy. Makes sense, no exposure.
Especially when you consider that the effect of Reaper exposure on Reaper influence is cumulative. Shepard has been around Reaper tech for years. Not days, not weeks, not months, Shepard has been encountering it for years.
I keep hearing this from people but have yet to get any solid citation on it.
Reaper indoctrination effects do not fade away over time (as seen by the fate of Rana Thanoptis); they merely lie dormant, and increase with each additional piece of exposure.
Unless Rana was already indoctrinated by the time we see her on Virimire, in which case no exposure is required.
That is what I took away from the e-mail about her in ME3, that she was (completely) indoctrinated in ME1.
Not strange. The Prothean Becaon vision clearly foreshadows the potential horror of Synthesis, even if it wasn't originally intended that way. In ME1, it was a warning. In ME2,. it showed the fate of the Reapers. In ME3 it became a foreshadowing of Synthesis, simply through the way the Synthesis ending was described.
You likely remember what I had to say about the 'Beacon as "clear foreshadowing."
If not then, again, I consider it more of a "vague warning" and not particularly conclusive about anything.
Someone tried to show me an up-close, detailed pic pointing out "look, that part is synthetic, and that part is organic. They're being combined!" I had to laugh at that. Something vaguely looking like meat made it organic flesh to someone. Just change the tint of that vision from red-orange to brown and it may as well be a message about how the Reapers go to the bathroom.
Saren's "vision of the future" is also foreshadowing Synthesis - again, not necessarily because that was how it was originally planned, but because of how ME3's ending was written.
That's what people misunderstand about foreshadowing when it comes to episodic fiction. It doesn't not necessarily need to have been deliberately planned or planted from the very beginning. The Catalyst's description of Synthesis was written in a way which directly and deliberately leads the player BACK to his earlier conversations with Saren, BACK to the Prothean Beacon vision, BACK to the fate of the Collectors. Because of this, these earlier events now foreshadow that particular decision.
"We have tried a... similar solution before".
That... I can accept.
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