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[teh DRUMPf!!]

At face value, no.

[TurianRebel212]

IT is fan-made headcannon. All be it, Really good fan-made headcannon but it's fanmade none the less. I'm an 'ITer' but I have come to understand what BioWare was trying to do with the ending and trans-humanism and the illusion of choice. It's just too bad it's lore breaking and executed poorly. But the endings are finished. Just enjoy ME for a little while longer while it last's. Cause I fully expect BioWare to blow Up the series with ME4 being drastically different than what we've come to expect the ME series is.

[shodiswe]

My biggest problem with the endings and end game in general is that it could have been so much mroe interesting.

It woudln't have to be changed really, just made more interesting and dramatic.

[vandalDX]

Untold wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

We have the destroyers, controllers, synthesizers, and refusers. Does indoc work into this too, as an ending like the original four?

Sure it does. Nothing is really solid clear in the ending. Some people have argued that Leviathan cemented the catalyst while I felt it ended up supporting it and IT at the same time. By that I mean the Leviathan added support for the creation of the catalyst but their method of doing so is what supports IT, by inducing a dreamlike state that resembles reality.

Honestly, anything works and I guess that's the point. Still not a huge fan of the ending but what can you do? You roll with what you have. And in this case it was a kind of "make your own ending" sort of deal.

Does the Leviathan actually say the word "Catalyst?"  I only remember him saying the word "Intelligence" to refer to the program that controls the Reapers.

[TurianRebel212]

valhallaVANDAL wrote...

Untold wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

We have the destroyers, controllers, synthesizers, and refusers. Does indoc work into this too, as an ending like the original four?

Sure it does. Nothing is really solid clear in the ending. Some people have argued that Leviathan cemented the catalyst while I felt it ended up supporting it and IT at the same time. By that I mean the Leviathan added support for the creation of the catalyst but their method of doing so is what supports IT, by inducing a dreamlike state that resembles reality.

Honestly, anything works and I guess that's the point. Still not a huge fan of the ending but what can you do? You roll with what you have. And in this case it was a kind of "make your own ending" sort of deal.

Does the Leviathan actually say the word "Catalyst?"  I only remember him saying the word "Intelligence" to refer to the program that controls the Reapers.

Nope Leviathan doesn't use the word Catalyst. He does howeve talk at great length about Harbinger. Leviathan also states that the Reapers perfected the Thrall of Indoctination through the many cycles.

But I'm sure that's just coincidence.     

I can see a lockdown in this Threads future. This threads lives becasue they allow it. And it will die when they demand it.

[shnig_1]

You speak of the banned indoctrination theory? Priestly is gonna stomp on in and start wrecking ****

Jk........I think

[TurianRebel212]

shnig_1 wrote...

You speak of the banned indoctrination theory? Priestly is gonna stomp on in and start wrecking ****

Jk........I think

Prepare yourself for the Arrival.... 

[vandalDX]

Nope Leviathan doesn't use the word Catalyst. He does howeve talk at great length about Harbinger. Leviathan also states that the Reapers perfected the Thrall of Indoctination through the many cycles.

But I'm sure that's just coincidence.     

I can see a lockdown in this Threads future. This threads lives becasue they allow it. And it will die when they demand it.

One might also note that the Catalyst--whose speech changed based on the discussion one has or doesn't have with Leviathan--also speaks with Harbinger's voice when Refuse is chosen.   Interesting chain of command the Reapers have, no?

Modifié par valhallaVANDAL, 23 janvier 2013 - 11:34 .

[TurianRebel212]

[quote]valhallaVANDAL wrote...

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Nope Leviathan doesn't use the word Catalyst. He does howeve talk at great length about Harbinger. Leviathan also states that the Reapers perfected the Thrall of Indoctination through the many cycles.

But I'm sure that's just coincidence.     

I can see a lockdown in this Threads future. This threads lives becasue they allow it. And it will die when they demand it.

[/quote]

One might also note that the Catalyst--whose speech changed based on the discussion one has or doesn't have with Leviathan--also speaks with Harbinger's voice when Refuse is chosen.   Interesting chain of command the Reapers have, no?[/quote]


Well, it's not the exact voice of Harby, But it's very Reaperesque, There's a lot of coincidences in ME3   

[vandalDX]

Well, it's not the exact voice of Harby, But it's very Reaperesque, There's a lot of coincidences in ME3   

Aren't there!  And what a game it is, for it (and so much more).  I applaud Bioware, come what may, for having the guts to provoke this kind of response with a narrative that takes this kind of risk.  Positively brillaint, and what fun.

[Senenzon]

shodiswe wrote...

Senenzon wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

As far as I know it's just a delusion of the IT cult. Not an actual ending.

Unless one of them managed to mak a mod for it.

U mad bro? And as far as i know from your post, is that you dont know **** about IT. 

I know that it´s a bunch of people looking for crazy symbolism to confirm a set of "prefered" convictions. If you look for a face on a sheet of paper with a lot ofrandom dots then you will find it. If you want to see things that are off to prove that something is a dream then it´s easy to find gfx glitches or reused textures that don´t mesh well and use that to convince yourself that it just a dream, or what ever you´re looking for.

As for the cult part, the way the IT people behave says it all.

To sum it up, The endings hurts so they look for easier to accept answers that hurt less. I don't feel like bringing it up in detail again. Let's just say I think it belongs in the garbage can like most religious delusions and cults and crap on this planet thats populated by a very disturbed and easily manipulated people, who actualy invites delusions because they might hurt less than reality. Sheep for the slaughter.

I really didn't like the original ending and the EC only made it slightly better but I don´t view the IT as a solution to anything.
That said, the Marauder shield comic is well made and entertaining. It's actualy good art in it self.

EDIT:
What i´m saying is I don´t like looking for obscure symbolism, sugestion or otherwise and call it truth. While wild speculations can be entertaining. As long as people don´t read too seriously into it and recognize it for what it is.

Are you so bitter because you're just incapable to learn about the indoctrination theory (yes theory not truth)?

Also i havent seen or heard of people looking for "crazy symbolism", and i have not seen a "cult" or people acting like a cult. I support IT but as far as i know i dont belong to a cult, i dont even write on any forums. I've just watched the documentaries and done a little work with my own little thinking box and IT, for me, is just a way to see the endings with somekind of sense. 

I think it's the people like you who attack towards this theory with such a passion, that are acting like a cult. 

[IIEquillibriumII]

Senenzon wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Senenzon wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

As far as I know it's just a delusion of the IT cult. Not an actual ending.

Unless one of them managed to mak a mod for it.

U mad bro? And as far as i know from your post, is that you dont know **** about IT. 

I know that it´s a bunch of people looking for crazy symbolism to confirm a set of "prefered" convictions. If you look for a face on a sheet of paper with a lot ofrandom dots then you will find it. If you want to see things that are off to prove that something is a dream then it´s easy to find gfx glitches or reused textures that don´t mesh well and use that to convince yourself that it just a dream, or what ever you´re looking for.

As for the cult part, the way the IT people behave says it all.

To sum it up, The endings hurts so they look for easier to accept answers that hurt less. I don't feel like bringing it up in detail again. Let's just say I think it belongs in the garbage can like most religious delusions and cults and crap on this planet thats populated by a very disturbed and easily manipulated people, who actualy invites delusions because they might hurt less than reality. Sheep for the slaughter.

I really didn't like the original ending and the EC only made it slightly better but I don´t view the IT as a solution to anything.
That said, the Marauder shield comic is well made and entertaining. It's actualy good art in it self.

EDIT:
What i´m saying is I don´t like looking for obscure symbolism, sugestion or otherwise and call it truth. While wild speculations can be entertaining. As long as people don´t read too seriously into it and recognize it for what it is.

Are you so bitter because you're just incapable to learn about the indoctrination theory (yes theory not truth)?

Also i havent seen or heard of people looking for "crazy symbolism", and i have not seen a "cult" or people acting like a cult. I support IT but as far as i know i dont belong to a cult, i dont even write on any forums. I've just watched the documentaries and done a little work with my own little thinking box and IT, for me, is just a way to see the endings with somekind of sense. 

I think it's the people like you who attack towards this theory with such a passion, that are acting like a cult. 

Well never get anywhere if we start throwing mud at eachother, i support IT too, for the same reasons, it gives the endings some sense. but when we start to talk about ¨cults¨ and all that, it just goes wrong. so can we please stop doing that?.

[TurianRebel212]

valhallaVANDAL wrote...

Well, it's not the exact voice of Harby, But it's very Reaperesque, There's a lot of coincidences in ME3   

Aren't there!  And what a game it is, for it (and so much more).  I applaud Bioware, come what may, for having the guts to provoke this kind of response with a narrative that takes this kind of risk.  Positively brillaint, and what fun.

Well, if it's nothing else- it is intresting and fun to speculate. I truly beleive BioWare is finished with ME3 and their will be no ending DLC or great reveals in the future of the series. But who knows. "Lots of Speculation" form everyone. Only time will tell. But ME is such a rich universe and touches on so many themes that it is fun to discuss. I can't think of any other Video Game that's like it. It truly is a special series. I think the ending controversy is a double edged sword in terms of it's responses. The majority of the people who have played ME3 also played ME1 and ME2 multiple times. Therefore, BioWare fans and ME fans are used to a certain degree of quality and excellence than we have come to expect from BioWare. So, only time will tell. No matter what it's still a fantastic series and ME3 was a good game. 

[The Heretic of Time]

The indoctrination theory isn't an actual ending, it's just an interpretation from a bunch of fans who can't accept that BioWare just screwed up.

Also, IT threads are no longer allowed on the ME3 forum. You can discuss the IT in the IT group.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The indoctrination theory isn't an actual ending, it's just an interpretation from a bunch of fans who can't accept that BioWare just screwed up.

Also, IT threads are no longer allowed on the ME3 forum. You can discuss the IT in the IT group.

BioWare didn't screw up. The ending is fine, without IT bogus.

[IIEquillibriumII]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


Also, IT threads are no longer allowed on the ME3 forum. You can discuss the IT in the IT group.

Yep 

[Eterna]

Nope. It's a fan made theory that Bioware does not support. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 23 janvier 2013 - 11:51 .

[The Heretic of Time]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The indoctrination theory isn't an actual ending, it's just an interpretation from a bunch of fans who can't accept that BioWare just screwed up.

Also, IT threads are no longer allowed on the ME3 forum. You can discuss the IT in the IT group.

BioWare didn't screw up. The ending is fine, without IT bogus.

Well, whether you like this Ed Wood stuff that BioWare came up with in ME3 or not, at least we can all agree that the IT is bogus and doesn't belong in the ME3 forum.

[vandalDX]

TurianRebel212 wrote...


Well, if it's nothing else- it is intresting and fun to speculate. I truly beleive BioWare is finished with ME3 and their will be no ending DLC or great reveals in the future of the series. But who knows. "Lots of Speculation" form everyone. Only time will tell. But ME is such a rich universe and touches on so many themes that it is fun to discuss. I can't think of any other Video Game that's like it. It truly is a special series. I think the ending controversy is a double edged sword in terms of it's responses. The majority of the people who have played ME3 also played ME1 and ME2 multiple times. Therefore, BioWare fans and ME fans are used to a certain degree of quality and excellence than we have come to expect from BioWare. So, only time will tell. No matter what it's still a fantastic series and ME3 was a good game. 

A great game, with an ambiguous but thematically concrete conclusion.  I'll play it (and its brilliant multiplayer) until it's time to head back to Ferelden, invest my time there until such time as it becomes appropriate to return.  I've stood by Bioware, and will continue to do so.  The fact that this conversation is STILL going after almost a year is a testament to the narrative's quality, regardless of the "quality" of the discussion.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, whether you like this Ed Wood stuff that BioWare came up with in ME3 or not, at least we can all agree that the IT is bogus and doesn't belong in the ME3 forum.

Nice try.

[The Heretic of Time]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, whether you like this Ed Wood stuff that BioWare came up with in ME3 or not, at least we can all agree that the IT is bogus and doesn't belong in the ME3 forum.

Nice try.

I wasn't aware that I was actually trying something. Please enlighten me; what was I trying exactly?

[TurianRebel212]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The indoctrination theory isn't an actual ending, it's just an interpretation from a bunch of fans who can't accept that BioWare just screwed up.

Also, IT threads are no longer allowed on the ME3 forum. You can discuss the IT in the IT group.

BioWare didn't screw up. The ending is fine, without IT bogus.

Well, whether you like this Ed Wood stuff that BioWare came up with in ME3 or not, at least we can all agree that the IT is bogus and doesn't belong in the ME3 forum.

Well, I don't like censorship in any form- it leads to generalizations and stigmatization but if those are the rules then that's cool. The thread was posting a question and it's about indoctrination, which is a major element of the ME universe, being that it's one of the Reapers main weapons of delivery. Just like the  Many other themes like synthetics vs. organics. Transhumanism. Law and order. Hope and love and many more themes. But this thread is posing a question formualting around indoctrination, I'm not coming on here and saying the IT is the end all be all and that's the only way to interpret the endings. The endings are finished and if you do or do not take them at face value that's your choice.    

[The Heretic of Time]

Don't be ridiculous. Anyone with at least 2 brain cells can see this is another IT thread, and not just a random thread which so happens to be about indoctrination.

[MattFini]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Well, I don't like censorship in any form- it leads to generalizations and stigmatization but if those are the rules then that's cool. The thread was posting a question and it's about indoctrination, which is a major element of the ME universe, being that it's one of the Reapers main weapons of delivery. Just like the  Many other themes like synthetics vs. organics. Transhumanism. Law and order. Hope and love and many more themes. But this thread is posing a question formualting around indoctrination, I'm not coming on here and saying the IT is the end all be all and that's the only way to interpret the endings. The endings are finished and if you do or do not take them at face value that's your choice.    

Not a huge fan of the ending(s) but I do thnk IT makes for interesting conversation. 

Hell, before the IT thread got derailed, there was lots and lots of great dissection of in game content. 

If anything, it's part of the reason ME3's ending has become one of the most infamous things in gaming history. 

I guess that's something. 

[TurianRebel212]

MattFini wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Well, I don't like censorship in any form- it leads to generalizations and stigmatization but if those are the rules then that's cool. The thread was posting a question and it's about indoctrination, which is a major element of the ME universe, being that it's one of the Reapers main weapons of delivery. Just like the  Many other themes like synthetics vs. organics. Transhumanism. Law and order. Hope and love and many more themes. But this thread is posing a question formualting around indoctrination, I'm not coming on here and saying the IT is the end all be all and that's the only way to interpret the endings. The endings are finished and if you do or do not take them at face value that's your choice.    

Not a huge fan of the ending(s) but I do thnk IT makes for interesting conversation. 

Hell, before the IT thread got derailed, there was lots and lots of great dissection of in game content. 

If anything, it's part of the reason ME3's ending has become one of the most infamous things in gaming history. 

I guess that's something. 

And that's what forums should be about discourse and intresting conversations, like I said I personally take IT as my own headcannon. But I also, understand why other people don't and take the endings at face value. I get it. And I don't hate or want to belittle their opinions. Like you said if something creates a discussion on the forums should it be okay to talk about? The problem is you have people that only deal in black and whites and never see others opinions.