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[bogsters23]

never was a fan of the claymore because of having shot only and i love the wraith. i'll pick the raider over the claymore too.

[Chrxna]

The Wraith is great, but the Claymore is vastly superior in my eyes.

Modifié par Chrxna, 24 janvier 2013 - 10:07 .

[upinya slayin]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Claymore is simply better.
Wraith is a girl's gun.

well OP has big boobs so wraith? also i'm richard tuckington so wraith?

wraith it is fellas and ladys and others:innocent:

[Ronnie Blastoff]

samb wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
I should, but that "unless your Jay" comment really made me think just what kidna game some of these BSNers are playing (and I'm forced to endure). It also makes me think how big they think the world is if Jay keeps popping up. I've seen the guys videos, they are nice, nothing special, what he's doing is something anyone can, and EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SOPPOSE TO DO in a shooter game. He just happens to have video recording equipment to show his games. If anyone believes that there isn't a better "shooter" (although in this game thats a dumb way to think either way) for ME3MP out there who just happens to not have recording equipment, then they need to wake the **** up and stop slobbin nob.

Soooo if I had video quipment I'd be just as good as Jay?  Someone just expressed a passing admiration for someone else and you get your panties in a bunch.  Would you had the same reaction if he mentioned you in such a positive light?  And what does this have to do with the claymore or wraith?  I think it just has to do with your hurt ego. 

It simular to the idiots who claim "Bruce lee was the best martial artist who ever lived!".... ..WHAT?!  No bruce lee was the most "popular" martial artist who ever lived. And even that comment can't be said with solid face anymore.

Wow you had to bring Bruce Lee into this?  Did he have decent AV equipment to upload to YouTube as well?  The fact is Lee never lost a documented fight. In fact he won most fights in stunningly fast fashion.  In a martial arts gathering he asked a black belt to try and block his right straight punch. The black belt could not do it 8 times in a row despite knowing exactly what Lee was going to do. 
Some people are just Bette Ethan you learn to deal with it. 

I think you missed the point COMPLETELY. Point was, there is someone out there who doens't even bother with recording their games because they have no need to impress anyone. More than likely since there are 7 billion people in the world, there is someone who is better than jay. I never said I was, (neither am I going to say I'm not). If you guys would like to make this into a discussion about that, enjoy.

And by ego doesn't get hurt, I realized this was a co-op game when I bought it, nothing to gain by competing besides XP. And to say someones better than someone else, (which I never said) is just an dumbazz way of thinking in any game where you SHARE your work.

Annomander wrote...

So basically Ronnie Blastoff Annomander is saying he's better than Jay. Because he's to much of a scrotumsmoocher to even read.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Also, lol.

Console scrub Ronnie has a lot to learn.

I'll be a console scrub, proving anything to you would be pointless with another mans nuts in your mouth.

[Deerber]

Feneckus wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

claymore, only on weapon classes

Again ? 

I wonder if people try stuff before they give their "opinion". It's actually at its best on power classes. Obviously, it's best on a GI, but after that, it's power classes.

It's underwhelming on a Turian Soldier.
It doesn't make any sense on a Destroyer.
It's not that good on a Human Soldier.

So what's left ? 

What? You don't think that a claymore human soldier is one of the best kits in the game?

Then you're obviously an idiot, Feneckus. 

[STRANGE10VE]

Wraith=versatility
Claymore=fun

[drmoose00]

i try em both frequently, and I alwasy end up with the wraith...mine is at X, so that helps. The claymore is overkill msot of the time anyway. I always do much better with the wraith. I guess i am jsut used to the timing...

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Well, you only need to fire your weapon once. That's a one hit kill in my book.

Oh, okay.  So, if I shoot a Brute with one shot from an Avenger, then toss all my grenades to kill it, does it still count as a OHK?

I get what you mean, but there will obviously be differing views on this and what is acceptable.

However, if you take advantage of the Warp + Incendiary Ammo bug, the Slasher might possibly be able to "OHK" a Brute. with a Warp + Claymore.  I don't know for sure since Brutes got buffed.

 

Functionally & in terms of execution and implementation, Warp --> shoot --> nade is basically identical to cloak --> PM --> shoot. 

Both require a single shot, one "cast" animation and one cooldown cycle. I think that's what Feneckus is meaning, and I'd agree with him, that's an OHK in my book.

I'm not totally against his definition of a OHK, but I don't agree that it is functionally identical to TC + PM + Shoot either, though I think I can see where you're coming from.
TC + PM are both used to boost your weapon's damage.  PM isn't used primarily for the extra damage.
Warp can be viewed as similar to the above, that it will give you a damage bonus for Warp Ammo & also provide a debuff, like PM.  However, the grenade is extra damage which some could rightfully (though subjectively) dispute as being a part of a OHK.

If a QMI were to Cloak, TS, Shoot, and then Arc Grenade, would that be considered a OHK?  That is more similar to what Feneckus is claiming than the GI's TC + PM + Shoot.

In any case, I am wondering if you could down a Brute with a Wraith using the same characters by Warp + Shoot + Cluster Grenade + Shoot.  The grenades fill in the gap between shots, so there is not really too much time lost while shooting the 2nd Wraith shot (though the CGs serve the purose to cover the Claymore's reload - a valid point).
Now, how about if you shoot, warp, shoot, CG?  There isn't much time lost there.  If that is enough to kill a Brute, would that be similar enough to say that the Wraith is nearly as effective as the Claymore vs Brutes?  You would also have the benefit of casting Warp more frequently.

I'm going to have to try this tonight.

[Disciple888]

Use the Katana you scrubs

[JediHarbinger]

Just want to say that let's have a good clean fight, protect yourselfs at all time and no hitting below the belt.

Lets get it on!

Modifié par JediHarbinger, 24 janvier 2013 - 10:25 .

[DarklighterFreak]

frudi wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

I prefer the Wraith also...



Sexy!

+1

And absolutely nothing looks sexier on my AV than the Wraith with its matching colour scheme:

 http://i.imgur.com/aqmZf.jpg

Modifié par DarklighterFreak, 24 janvier 2013 - 10:27 .

[Feneckus]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I'll be a console scrub, proving anything to you would be pointless with another mans nuts in your mouth.

Please, do prove how anyone can do that

Waiting 

Deerber wrote...

What? You don't think that a claymore human soldier is one of the best kits in the game?

Then you're obviously an idiot, Feneckus. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

No it's not. Sure, it's pretty damn good and in the upper part of the list if we were to make one. But it's not even top 15. The Harrier Human Soldier for example is much more powerful.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Sabbatine wrote...

Oh, I didn't realize we were comparing an unbuffed claymore to a "properly buffed wraith".

Believe me, I understand the concept of overkill, which consequently is why you should be using the valiant and not the black widow.

The issue with your comparison is that your damage can only be wasted if you choose to overkill a target.  Swarmers in particular are easy to deal with because you can get them to kill themselves at no cost to you in terms of ammo or health/shields.  Yes it's true a wraith could one hit kill a seeker swarm and then one hit kill a collector trooper and be more efficient than a claymore would be against those two targets however someone using a claymore won't ever shoot at those two targets unless there isn't a better target available.

What you seem to be saying here is that because a claymore can't efficiently kill enemy types it was never designed to kill it is an inferior weapon to the wraith ignoring the fact that the claymore remains more efficient against more durable enemies that the wraith has a problem dealing with.

Congratulations on being one of the 2% of people who have a maxed out wraith.  I'm one of the 98% of the people who have a wraith between 1-9.  For you the choice is clear, and would probably agree with you if I had a wraith X.


People using claymores acquire targets in between shots just like people using wraiths.  A wraiths refire time is a little higher every other shot however this becomes irrelevant if you are unable to acquire a target faster than you'll be able to refire the gun either because of the delay between shots on wraith, or reloading on either.

The wraith isn't garbage, I used to use it on certain kits until the raider came along.  I was willing to give up all of its strengths in order to get rid of that idiotic delay between shots.

Don't misunderstand, not comparing unbuffed/buffed weapons either direction (even though the wraith would win from sheer accuracy:lol:)

Not choosing to shoot a target (however small or ineffecient it may be) is putting your squad in a bind. Thats one more target thats shooting back at you. Using a wraith makes it so you drop 2 husk/phantoms/C.Captians in 2 shots. The shine wasn't that you use the claymore on a swarmer. (even though I have) Its that the claymore isn't effective as a wraith in "most" situations the game has to offer besides high HP target takedown.

Aquiring targets "mid clip" on a wraith is simple as sliding the analog/mouse to the next target, using the delay to aquire the next target works the same way with all multiple shot shotguns. Actually claymore takes a disadvantage there due to the possiblity of "stunned" reload or getting dropped while reloading, where the wraiths "delay" is mostly used (at least by me) to ensure that next trigger pull is all brains. Its only a second, unless you mean actually going to "search" for a target than taking down "groups" in your statement. Then yes, the claymore does trump the wraith due to "reloading" someone being discounted since your not continuosly firing anyway.

Oh and the thing about the vailiant. I only have a 6, at the moment it is a better mook dropper than the BWX, so are the paladin and in cases saber. Bosses take serious bar loss with the BW, even unbuffed though, vs the vailant which feels like a heavy paladin. IMO when Bioware did its massive "sniper overhaul" they missed out on the vailiant. What used to be my coined "best weapon in the game" just doesn't measure up to the all around holy shytness of the Black Widow. Don't think I can 1 shot a dragoon with a Valiant either. Have to do some numbers.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Well, you only need to fire your weapon once. That's a one hit kill in my book.

Oh, okay.  So, if I shoot a Brute with one shot from an Avenger, then toss all my grenades to kill it, does it still count as a OHK?

I get what you mean, but there will obviously be differing views on this and what is acceptable.

However, if you take advantage of the Warp + Incendiary Ammo bug, the Slasher might possibly be able to "OHK" a Brute. with a Warp + Claymore.  I don't know for sure since Brutes got buffed.

 

Functionally & in terms of execution and implementation, Warp --> shoot --> nade is basically identical to cloak --> PM --> shoot. 

Both require a single shot, one "cast" animation and one cooldown cycle. I think that's what Feneckus is meaning, and I'd agree with him, that's an OHK in my book.

I'm not totally against his definition of a OHK, but I don't agree that it is functionally identical to TC + PM + Shoot either, though I think I can see where you're coming from.
TC + PM are both used to boost your weapon's damage.  PM isn't used primarily for the extra damage.
Warp can be viewed as similar to the above, that it will give you a damage bonus for Warp Ammo & also provide a debuff, like PM.  However, the grenade is extra damage which some could rightfully (though subjectively) dispute as being a part of a OHK.

If a QMI were to Cloak, TS, Shoot, and then Arc Grenade, would that be considered a OHK?  That is more similar to what Feneckus is claiming than the GI's TC + PM + Shoot.

In any case, I am wondering if you could down a Brute with a Wraith using the same characters by Warp + Shoot + Cluster Grenade + Shoot.  The grenades fill in the gap between shots, so there is not really too much time lost while shooting the 2nd Wraith shot (though the CGs serve the purose to cover the Claymore's reload - a valid point).
Now, how about if you shoot, warp, shoot, CG?  There isn't much time lost there.  If that is enough to kill a Brute, would that be similar enough to say that the Wraith is nearly as effective as the Claymore vs Brutes?  You would also have the benefit of casting Warp more frequently.

I'm going to have to try this tonight.

 

That would be TC Arc shoot. And yes, it would. Just like a Salarian inf, for example, before phasic rounds. Would cloak --> ED and snipe for OSK's.  

And the Wraith would almost certainly be just as good as the Claymore on those classes. Because the Wraith and Claymore are both great.

Oh man, we're splitting hairs.  Sorry, I'm a pretty anal guy, especially when I see posts from you.  I meant that in the way you think I do.
If the QMI is using some sort of priming Ammo Power, then Nading afterwards would detonate a tech explosion, which would give it an extra damage boost, much like the biotic Brotarian.  The Arc Nade doesn't give a debuff, so I personally don't relate it to Warp & PM.

In the end, I agree with you that the Wraith & Claymore are both great.  I can see where you are coming from with your arguments, and I feel we are debating on slightly different things.  Damn New Zealand Actors / Politicians...

[waltervolpatto]

I like the Wraith. My Huntress only rock that weapon.

Claymore... not good at reload cancel on Xbox myself...

[Invader Nemesis]

upinya slayin wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Claymore is simply better.
Wraith is a girl's gun.

well OP has big boobs so wraith? also i'm richard tuckington so wraith?

wraith it is fellas and ladys and others:innocent:

E-boobies.

[Feneckus]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Not choosing to shoot a target (however small or ineffecient it may be) is putting your squad in a bind.

You either :

1) Never use the Claymore
2) Suck at the game

Only possible explanations.

You do realize that when you have a Claymore, you also have powers or grenades, right ?

And btw, between 2 Wraith shots and 2 Claymore shots, there's only a 0.8s difference.

[megabeast37215]

I used the Wraith before it was cool. Now that the Wraith is mainstream, I use the Raider.

[upinya slayin]

Invader Nemesis wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Claymore is simply better.
Wraith is a girl's gun.

well OP has big boobs so wraith? also i'm richard tuckington so wraith?

wraith it is fellas and ladys and others:innocent:

E-boobies.

OP got her harrier X in my party the other day. her e-boobs grew so big, they popped out of her e-bra...not that i was complainging or anyhting

[Learn To Love Yourself]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I used the Wraith before it was cool. Now that the Wraith is mainstream, I use the Raider.

Thanks.  Now I have to stop using the Raider.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Feneckus wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I'll be a console scrub, proving anything to you would be pointless with another mans nuts in your mouth.

Please, do prove how anyone can do that

Waiting 

>.< this is going to be so hard. And i'm talking about the part where logic comes into play, not proving anything.

Ok let me spell this out.

You aim at a targets head, you shoot.

This isn't something that takes years to master... its something you learn when you use the mouse, (in PC's case) on any PC. Now the average person may not do that often, with practice though, ANYONE can do that.
 
Now if your confusing me saying "anyone" with

"your average HORRIBLE ME3MP pug"
"anyone who think this is an Impossible feat, such as the players who are so star struck over someone doing this because they fail to master the point and clicking of a mouse"

then your correct.

If you were to practice and do what the person in this video was doing, you'd at one point be doing the same thing. And so would anyone else.

I really can't believe you guys are still "fanboys/girls" over anything, all your saying is that "this person is higher than me, i'm not worthy." Why not pull your pants down and lube up.

You wanna know who can probably do that, and better than the person in the video.... MOI123. Because right now, that guy has done something I didn't think were possible, soloed GOLD with a straw in his mouth and 1 hand. He put in the time, work, and made a video, of him soloing gold. Something a large percent of the ME3MP population can't do, and with again a straw in his mouth and 1 hand. He chose not to accept being beneith anyone and had the means of showing others he could. That is how ANYONE can do this.

If you can't understand that, then to phudging bad. You seem to be comfortable praising someone who clearly isn't a god anyway.