Just something about that boom that comes from the Claymore that im addicted to. Wraith aint to bad either.
Claymore vs Wraith
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#178
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 12:46
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Claymore is my fave gun, ofc, and that's not really due to spreadsheet stats but 'feel'. No other gun gives me the same experience. I wouldn't usually be choosing between the Wraith or the Claymore though.. its usually Claymore vs. Raider or Crusader or Wraith vs. Reegar or Piranha (or Talon).
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#179
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Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 12:51
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Deerber wrote...
The Black Widow can kill three centurions in the time it takes to the Javelin to fir one shot and reload,
Unless you're Jay, you can't retarget that quickly. You might pull off the occasional fluke but most of the theoretical kills the BW would gain on the Javelin are lost because you still have to take time to aim.
#180
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 01:32
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[quote]Lord_Sirian wrote...
[quote]Deerber wrote...
The Black Widow can kill three centurions in the time it takes to the Javelin to fir one shot and reload,[/quote]
Unless you're Jay, you can't retarget that quickly. You might pull off the occasional fluke but most of the theoretical kills the BW would gain on the Javelin are lost because you still have to take time to aim.
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It's not hard to re-aim for a bodyshot before the refire delay. Even I can do that.
[quote]Feneckus wrote...
[quote]Deerber wrote...
the Claymore can OHK pretty much anything smaller than a Brute.[/quote]
The Claymore CAN OHK a Brute. On a Drell/Batarian Adept (Drell needs a headshot though). Maybe Turian Sentinel with incendiary ammo as well.
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Ok so... If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot + cluster grenade then that's not what I call a OHK.
If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot (on the Drell) then it's still not what I call a OHK, and it's not possible as far as I know. By a long shot. If you believe it's possible then please, record you doing so, as it would be quite amazing to see it.
I cannot surely speak for the Batarian as I didn't do the math and I'm lazy enough not to do it. Given the difference there was between the Brute's health and the Drell's damage though, I doubt the 15% from warp would make that much of a difference.
[quote]Deerber wrote...
The Black Widow can kill three centurions in the time it takes to the Javelin to fir one shot and reload,[/quote]
Unless you're Jay, you can't retarget that quickly. You might pull off the occasional fluke but most of the theoretical kills the BW would gain on the Javelin are lost because you still have to take time to aim.
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It's not hard to re-aim for a bodyshot before the refire delay. Even I can do that.
[quote]Feneckus wrote...
[quote]Deerber wrote...
the Claymore can OHK pretty much anything smaller than a Brute.[/quote]
The Claymore CAN OHK a Brute. On a Drell/Batarian Adept (Drell needs a headshot though). Maybe Turian Sentinel with incendiary ammo as well.
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Ok so... If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot + cluster grenade then that's not what I call a OHK.
If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot (on the Drell) then it's still not what I call a OHK, and it's not possible as far as I know. By a long shot. If you believe it's possible then please, record you doing so, as it would be quite amazing to see it.
I cannot surely speak for the Batarian as I didn't do the math and I'm lazy enough not to do it. Given the difference there was between the Brute's health and the Drell's damage though, I doubt the 15% from warp would make that much of a difference.
#181
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 01:38
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[quote]Feneckus wrote...
[quote]Deerber wrote...
the Claymore can OHK pretty much anything smaller than a Brute.[/quote]
The Claymore CAN OHK a Brute. On a Drell/Batarian Adept (Drell needs a headshot though). Maybe Turian Sentinel with incendiary ammo as well.
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[quote]Derber wrote...
Ok so... If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot + cluster grenade then that's not what I call a OHK.
If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot (on the Drell) then it's still not what I call a OHK, and it's not possible as far as I know. By a long shot. If you believe it's possible then please, record you doing so, as it would be quite amazing to see it.
I cannot surely speak for the Batarian as I didn't do the math and I'm lazy enough not to do it. Given the difference there was between the Brute's health and the Drell's damage though, I doubt the 15% from warp would make that much of a difference.
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Plus the armour debuff from warp, plus the extra damage on target (60% extra with warpIV ammo on top of the base 60% extra damage). It's more of a combo anyway, would that satisfy your need to correct others over tiny details? Imo if a combo kills a brute in less than a second semantics can hardly matter.
[quote]Deerber wrote...
the Claymore can OHK pretty much anything smaller than a Brute.[/quote]
The Claymore CAN OHK a Brute. On a Drell/Batarian Adept (Drell needs a headshot though). Maybe Turian Sentinel with incendiary ammo as well.
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[quote]Derber wrote...
Ok so... If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot + cluster grenade then that's not what I call a OHK.
If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot (on the Drell) then it's still not what I call a OHK, and it's not possible as far as I know. By a long shot. If you believe it's possible then please, record you doing so, as it would be quite amazing to see it.
I cannot surely speak for the Batarian as I didn't do the math and I'm lazy enough not to do it. Given the difference there was between the Brute's health and the Drell's damage though, I doubt the 15% from warp would make that much of a difference.
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Plus the armour debuff from warp, plus the extra damage on target (60% extra with warpIV ammo on top of the base 60% extra damage). It's more of a combo anyway, would that satisfy your need to correct others over tiny details? Imo if a combo kills a brute in less than a second semantics can hardly matter.
Modifié par Rapidfire Widow, 24 janvier 2013 - 01:48 .
#182
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 01:54
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CrimsonN7 wrote...
I prefer the Wraith also...
Sexy!
i love the Gold plating also .
i use on my n7 paladin some times.....its not bad
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#183
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 01:57
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Rapidfire Widow wrote...
Plus the armour debuff from warp, plus the extra damage on target (60% extra with warpIV ammo on top of the base 60% extra damage). It's more of a combo anyway, would that satisfy your need to correct others over tiny details? Imo if a combo kills a brute in less than a second semantics can hardly matter.
If there's someone correcting someone else over tiny details, it was Feneckus. And I have no problems with it on a forum about a game, honestly.
That said, I took into consideration all the effects you mentioned, and you still cannot do more than roughly 2/3 of the health of the Brute, with a Drell. Just math, as always, but it's usually a good indication.
Edited for stupid quotes.
Modifié par Deerber, 24 janvier 2013 - 01:57 .
#184
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 02:04
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Claymore is for real mob beatdown ;D and thr name just sounds badass...M-300 claymore.
#186
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 02:18
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frudi wrote...
+1CrimsonN7 wrote...
I prefer the Wraith also...
Sexy!
And absolutely nothing looks sexier on my AV than the Wraith with its matching colour scheme:
Umm.. I'm not looking at the gun lol!<3
#187
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 02:26
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One shot, one kill... Reload Cancel and repeat.
Claymore is a thing of beauty. High risk but high reward. A seasoned player can appreciate the death dealing brutality of this beast.
It is a cooldown killer, but it is not intended for squishies...
Claymore is a thing of beauty. High risk but high reward. A seasoned player can appreciate the death dealing brutality of this beast.
It is a cooldown killer, but it is not intended for squishies...
#188
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 02:31
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Wraith <3
I like mah cooldown fanx
I like mah cooldown fanx
#189
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 02:46
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Asari with Quarian bum-bum:OenealDC wrote...
frudi wrote...
+1CrimsonN7 wrote...
I prefer the Wraith also...
Sexy!
And absolutely nothing looks sexier on my AV than the Wraith with its matching colour scheme:
Umm.. I'm not looking at the gun lol!<3
Edit.
Hmm,back to business:)
Wrath any day,every day.
Modifié par zorinho20, 24 janvier 2013 - 02:48 .
#190
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 02:53
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I prefer the Wraith.
It's lighter, has two shots, quick reload, and surprising amount of power with a high-caliber barrel and a shredder mod.
The only shotgun I take on my Vanguards.
It's lighter, has two shots, quick reload, and surprising amount of power with a high-caliber barrel and a shredder mod.
The only shotgun I take on my Vanguards.
#191
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 03:15
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To coin the accountant's favorite term: it depends. The Wraith has been excellent on my casters as I try to make them Gold-worthy (Quarian Engy in particular). But there's very little that pleases me more than a Claymore shot to the face by my less cooldown-dependent kits (notably Batarian Soldier).
#192
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 03:30
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Lord_Sirian wrote...
Deerber wrote...
The Black Widow can kill three centurions in the time it takes to the Javelin to fir one shot and reload,
Unless you're Jay, you can't retarget that quickly. You might pull off the occasional fluke but most of the theoretical kills the BW would gain on the Javelin are lost because you still have to take time to aim.
Are you phyuckin serious... stop slobbin this guys knob and learn to shoot, ask anyone who has ever played with me how fast I dispatch mooks with the BW. Its literally a 1.2.3. sometimes even 1~5 if enemies heads are lined up. BW is the best gun in the game simply because of insane damage/ crosshair accuracy.
Since when was pop shoting = aiming? Perhaps if you never pull the scope away sure, thats just nub shooting though. (again learn to shoot)
#193
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 03:35
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Both are really good guns, although the Wraith is my favorite overall gun because of it's versatility.
@Ronnie
Cut him some slack, it's not easy being member of the master race, a deity and a sycophant at the same time.
@Ronnie
Cut him some slack, it's not easy being member of the master race, a deity and a sycophant at the same time.
#194
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 03:37
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If you are willing to cheat and circumvent the negative balancing elements of the claymore (reload cancelling) then I don't think the wraith really competes.
#195
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 03:40
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Claymore Hands down. Don't get me wrong I love my wraith but I get on a completely different level of ass kicking when using the claymore.
If playing power dependent class wraith If not claymore.
If playing power dependent class wraith If not claymore.
#196
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 03:54
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Looking at the stats of the guns from a "actuall gameplay" pov. The wraith simply is the better gun. I'll explain. Without comparing weight as matter fact.
The claymores damage is beastly, sure your going to kill everything you shoot. Thats expected, but reloading (even with reload canceling) will kill your "overall rate of enemy takedown." Also, unless your just barely going over the health of the enemy with the claymore, its no different then even a shiruken in what damage it did to an enemy. A swarmer comes to mind. How often have I been auto-scoped to a swarmer with my black widow X... I lost count after about 4K times. How often has it been crucial for me to use my black widow X on a swarmer... exactly. And thats the point.
Say for instance you have to dispatch 2 assault troopers a dragoon and a phantom. Which weapon will be better? The one that will kill all 4 fast as possible so you aren't getting shot. That is the REAL way to judge a weapon. Not which does the best damage, its which one will do the job it needs to fast as possible so you and your squad survive the wave. The claymore will one shot everything (headshots), but so will the wraith. Not only that but even without choke and HVB, (which choke the claymore needs to hit anything more than an arms length away) the wraith still will put out the 4 enemies (at a comparitive difficulty, modded, rate) at a larger "safer" distance.
Do I even need to add how many times i've "glitch" reloaded with the wraith while I've been staggerd or meleed? Enabling to save my own azz? The claymore can't do that.
tl;dr
Fact is, the claymore ONLY trumps the wraith in situations where you NEED a big OHK. And in mass effect that actually comes few and far between. Even in platinum.
The claymores damage is beastly, sure your going to kill everything you shoot. Thats expected, but reloading (even with reload canceling) will kill your "overall rate of enemy takedown." Also, unless your just barely going over the health of the enemy with the claymore, its no different then even a shiruken in what damage it did to an enemy. A swarmer comes to mind. How often have I been auto-scoped to a swarmer with my black widow X... I lost count after about 4K times. How often has it been crucial for me to use my black widow X on a swarmer... exactly. And thats the point.
Say for instance you have to dispatch 2 assault troopers a dragoon and a phantom. Which weapon will be better? The one that will kill all 4 fast as possible so you aren't getting shot. That is the REAL way to judge a weapon. Not which does the best damage, its which one will do the job it needs to fast as possible so you and your squad survive the wave. The claymore will one shot everything (headshots), but so will the wraith. Not only that but even without choke and HVB, (which choke the claymore needs to hit anything more than an arms length away) the wraith still will put out the 4 enemies (at a comparitive difficulty, modded, rate) at a larger "safer" distance.
Do I even need to add how many times i've "glitch" reloaded with the wraith while I've been staggerd or meleed? Enabling to save my own azz? The claymore can't do that.
tl;dr
Fact is, the claymore ONLY trumps the wraith in situations where you NEED a big OHK. And in mass effect that actually comes few and far between. Even in platinum.
#197
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 04:00
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Wraith for most of the classes I love, since I mostly play classes that use powers a lot. But the Claymore is the Claymore...
#198
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 04:02
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Leland Gaunt wrote...
Both are really good guns, although the Wraith is my favorite overall gun because of it's versatility.
@Ronnie
Cut him some slack, it's not easy being member of the master race, a deity and a sycophant at the same time.
I should, but that "unless your Jay" comment really made me think just what kidna game some of these BSNers are playing (and I'm forced to endure). It also makes me think how big they think the world is if Jay keeps popping up. I've seen the guys videos, they are nice, nothing special, what he's doing is something anyone can, and EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SOPPOSE TO DO in a shooter game. He just happens to have video recording equipment to show his games. If anyone believes that there isn't a better "shooter" (although in this game thats a dumb way to think either way) for ME3MP out there who just happens to not have recording equipment, then they need to wake the **** up and stop slobbin nob.
It simular to the idiots who claim "Bruce lee was the best martial artist who ever lived!".... ..WHAT?!
No bruce lee was the most "popular" martial artist who ever lived. And even that comment can't be said with solid face anymore.
#199
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 04:09
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Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
Lord_Sirian wrote...
Deerber wrote...
The Black Widow can kill three centurions in the time it takes to the Javelin to fir one shot and reload,
Unless you're Jay, you can't retarget that quickly. You might pull off the occasional fluke but most of the theoretical kills the BW would gain on the Javelin are lost because you still have to take time to aim.
Are you phyuckin serious... stop slobbin this guys knob and learn to shoot, ask anyone who has ever played with me how fast I dispatch mooks with the BW. Its literally a 1.2.3. sometimes even 1~5 if enemies heads are lined up. BW is the best gun in the game simply because of insane damage/ crosshair accuracy.
Since when was pop shoting = aiming? Perhaps if you never pull the scope away sure, thats just nub shooting though. (again learn to shoot)
Lol. I just looked at your signature. You can't really pretend that people take you seriously with a signature like that, right?
... Right?
#200
Posté 24 janvier 2013 - 04:09
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I prefer the Wraith generally but the Claymore is the superior weapon. That said a lot of the Claymore's damage can be overkill on mooks.
