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[Sabbatine]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

The claymores damage is beastly, sure your going to kill everything you shoot. Thats expected, but reloading (even with reload canceling) will kill your "overall rate of enemy takedown."

Only against enemies the claymore AND wraith one hit kill.  Against enemies the wraith requires two or more hits to kill the rate of enemy takedown is not significantly different.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Also, unless your just barely going over the health of the enemy with the claymore, its no different then even a shiruken in what damage it did to an enemy. A swarmer comes to mind. How often have I been auto-scoped to a swarmer with my black widow X... I lost count after about 4K times. How often has it been crucial for me to use my black widow X on a swarmer... exactly. And thats the point.

The black widow gets three shots per reload, the wraith only gets two.  If the wraith had three shots per reload it would be a far better gun.  As it stands though, a player with a claymore shouldn't be shooting at seeker swarms unless there are no other targets available.  If there are no other targets available then efficiency doesn't really matter because you'll be equally inefficient or efficient with all weapons in that situation.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Say for instance you have to dispatch 2 assault troopers a dragoon and a phantom. Which weapon will be better? The one that will kill all 4 fast as possible so you aren't getting shot. That is the REAL way to judge a weapon. Not which does the best damage, its which one will do the job it needs to fast as possible so you and your squad survive the wave. The claymore will one shot everything (headshots), but so will the wraith. Not only that but even without choke and HVB, (which choke the claymore needs to hit anything more than an arms length away) the wraith still will put out the 4 enemies (at a comparitive difficulty, modded, rate) at a larger "safer" distance.

I don't know what level your wraith is, but I can tell you mine isn't high enough to kill a phantom or dragoon in one shot on gold.  The scenario you outlined is also bad, a skilled player won't ever run into that situation.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Fact is, the claymore ONLY trumps the wraith in situations where you NEED a big OHK. And in mass effect that actually comes few and far between. Even in platinum.

Actually the claymore trumps the wraith in any situation where the claymore needs fewer reloads to kill the enemy than the wraith.

[Das Rouse]

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[da6mom]

how about a cold beer and the wraith...to fix the enemy ass...LOL

[kipac]

WRAITH

Nothing can beat WRAITH with all caps.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Sabbatine wrote...

Only against enemies the claymore AND wraith one hit kill.  Against enemies the wraith requires two or more hits to kill the rate of enemy takedown is not significantly different.

Enemies that require multiple shots with the wraith are heavy armor classes like brutes ravagers banshees ect. Dragoons can be one shotted with a properly buffed wraith X.

Sabbatine wrote...
The black widow gets three shots per reload, the wraith only gets two.  If the wraith had three shots per reload it would be a far better gun.  As it stands though, a player with a claymore shouldn't be shooting at seeker swarms unless there are no other targets available.  If there are no other targets available then efficiency doesn't really matter because you'll be equally inefficient or efficient with all weapons in that situation.

Point wasnt shooting at swarmers, it was that the claymores damage is "wasted" if the target doesn't have a large percentage of the damage. The wraith, although lower damage has alot of it, and enough to dispatch multiple targets in one clip.

Sabbatine wrote...
I don't know what level your wraith is, but I can tell you mine isn't high enough to kill a phantom or dragoon in one shot on gold.  The scenario you outlined is also bad, a skilled player won't ever run into that situation.

Mine is level 10, with the correct mods I can 1 shot anything with a headshot that isn't an armor tank. Dragoons/Pyros go down as well.

Sabbatine wrote...
Actually the claymore trumps the wraith in any situation where the claymore needs fewer reloads to kill the enemy than the wraith.

Thats strictly set on boss type enemies. Even on brutes even if you have to 2 shot them, more than likely you'll only have to 3 shot it with a wraith, enabling you to aquire another target faster and start putting damage on it, while having to reload with the claymore.

[N7 Legend Titi]

Wraith!!!

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Deerber wrote...

 The Black Widow can kill three centurions in the time it takes to the Javelin to fir one shot and reload,

 
 
Unless you're Jay, you can't retarget that quickly. You might pull off the occasional fluke but most of the theoretical kills the BW would gain on the Javelin are lost because you still have to take time to aim.

Are you phyuckin serious... stop slobbin this guys knob and learn to shoot, ask anyone who has ever played with me how fast I dispatch mooks with the BW. Its literally a 1.2.3. sometimes even 1~5 if enemies heads are lined up. BW is the best gun in the game simply because of insane damage/ crosshair accuracy.

Since when was pop shoting = aiming? Perhaps if you never pull the scope away sure, thats just nub shooting though. (again learn to shoot)

Although I hate aim assist on consoles, as it does screw up your aim a lot of the time, you really can't boast about aiming abilities because it is still there.  I would actually gather that aiming would be much trickier without it the vast majority of the time. 

I'm sure it would be much harder to rack up headshots with the BW without aim assist, especially on console.
There would be more skill if you could consistently get headshots without ever zooming out.  I'm sure the recoil is a hinderance to being able to, as it would be on PC.

[DeltaSerpentis.m]

Drayce333 wrote...

Wraith is terrible. Sad excuse of a shotgun and UR.

LOLWUT?  The level of wrong in this answer borders on the hilarious...

[JediHarbinger]

Bumped

[samb]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
I should, but that "unless your Jay" comment really made me think just what kidna game some of these BSNers are playing (and I'm forced to endure). It also makes me think how big they think the world is if Jay keeps popping up. I've seen the guys videos, they are nice, nothing special, what he's doing is something anyone can, and EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SOPPOSE TO DO in a shooter game. He just happens to have video recording equipment to show his games. If anyone believes that there isn't a better "shooter" (although in this game thats a dumb way to think either way) for ME3MP out there who just happens to not have recording equipment, then they need to wake the **** up and stop slobbin nob.

Soooo if I had video quipment I'd be just as good as Jay?  Someone just expressed a passing admiration for someone else and you get your panties in a bunch.  Would you had the same reaction if he mentioned you in such a positive light?  And what does this have to do with the claymore or wraith?  I think it just has to do with your hurt ego. 

It simular to the idiots who claim "Bruce lee was the best martial artist who ever lived!".... ..WHAT?!  No bruce lee was the most "popular" martial artist who ever lived. And even that comment can't be said with solid face anymore.

Wow you had to bring Bruce Lee into this?  Did he have decent AV equipment to upload to YouTube as well?  The fact is Lee never lost a documented fight. In fact he won most fights in stunningly fast fashion.  In a martial arts gathering he asked a black belt to try and block his right straight punch. The black belt could not do it 8 times in a row despite knowing exactly what Lee was going to do. 
Some people are just Bette Ethan you learn to deal with it. 

Modifié par samb, 24 janvier 2013 - 09:15 .

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

DragonRacer wrote...

Wraith for power kits, Claymore for "I don't give a ****** about cooldown" kits.

Pretty much this. Toting a Wraith on my Huntress with the HVB and choke. Claymore for other infils and weapon classes.

[BridgeBurner]

So basically Ronnie Blastoff is saying he's better than Jay.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Also, lol.

Console scrub Ronnie has a lot to learn.

[GordianKnot42]

 Raider. 

[orehlol]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

Reegar is better than both.

Not w/out incendiary or AP ammo

[samb]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

this is like asking which is better? a million dollars in hundred dollar bills or a million dollars in fives?

In hundreds because it's a lot easier to carry.  Better yet just leave it in the bank so you don't have to carry it. 


If that was a rhetorical question it should not have had a right answer. Try again. 

[GordianKnot42]

samb wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

this is like asking which is better? a million dollars in hundred dollar bills or a million dollars in fives?

In hundreds because it's a lot easier to carry.  Better yet just leave it in the bank so you don't have to carry it. 


If that was a rhetorical question it should not have had a right answer. Try again. 

Oh, I dunno. If you carry it around in fives then it's easier to use in vending machines. 

[Sabbatine]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Enemies that require multiple shots with the wraith are heavy armor classes like brutes ravagers banshees ect. Dragoons can be one shotted with a properly buffed wraith X.

Oh, I didn't realize we were comparing an unbuffed claymore to a "properly buffed wraith".

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Point wasnt shooting at swarmers, it was that the claymores damage is "wasted" if the target doesn't have a large percentage of the damage. The wraith, although lower damage has alot of it, and enough to dispatch multiple targets in one clip.

Believe me, I understand the concept of overkill, which consequently is why you should be using the valiant and not the black widow.

The issue with your comparison is that your damage can only be wasted if you choose to overkill a target.  Swarmers in particular are easy to deal with because you can get them to kill themselves at no cost to you in terms of ammo or health/shields.  Yes it's true a wraith could one hit kill a seeker swarm and then one hit kill a collector trooper and be more efficient than a claymore would be against those two targets however someone using a claymore won't ever shoot at those two targets unless there isn't a better target available.

What you seem to be saying here is that because a claymore can't efficiently kill enemy types it was never designed to kill it is an inferior weapon to the wraith ignoring the fact that the claymore remains more efficient against more durable enemies that the wraith has a problem dealing with.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Mine is level 10, with the correct mods I can 1 shot anything with a headshot that isn't an armor tank. Dragoons/Pyros go down as well.

Congratulations on being one of the 2% of people who have a maxed out wraith.  I'm one of the 98% of the people who have a wraith between 1-9.  For you the choice is clear, and would probably agree with you if I had a wraith X.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Thats strictly set on boss type enemies. Even on brutes even if you have to 2 shot them, more than likely you'll only have to 3 shot it with a wraith, enabling you to aquire another target faster and start putting damage on it, while having to reload with the claymore.

People using claymores acquire targets in between shots just like people using wraiths.  A wraiths refire time is a little higher every other shot however this becomes irrelevant if you are unable to acquire a target faster than you'll be able to refire the gun either because of the delay between shots on wraith, or reloading on either.

The wraith isn't garbage, I used to use it on certain kits until the raider came along.  I was willing to give up all of its strengths in order to get rid of that idiotic delay between shots.

[Titus Thongger]

they are both great. wraith is great on everything though. claymore, only on weapon classes

[Feneckus]

Deerber wrote...

Ok so... If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot + cluster grenade then that's not what I call a OHK.

Well, you only need to fire your weapon once. That's a one hit kill in my book.

I cannot surely speak for the Batarian as I didn't do the math and I'm lazy enough not to do it. Given the difference there was between the Brute's health and the Drell's damage though, I doubt the 15% from warp would make that much of a difference.

The Batarian's biotic explosion is also 50% stronger. And warp makes his cluster grenades 15% stronger as well. That's why a Drell needs a headshot while the batarian doesn't.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I've seen Jay's videos, they are nice, nothing special, what he's doing is something anyone can

Obvious stupid troll is obvious and stupid.

[Deerber]

Feneckus wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Ok so... If by OHK you mean reave + claymore headshot + cluster grenade then that's not what I call a OHK.

Well, you only need to fire your weapon once. That's a one hit kill in my book.

I cannot surely speak for the Batarian as I didn't do the math and I'm lazy enough not to do it. Given the difference there was between the Brute's health and the Drell's damage though, I doubt the 15% from warp would make that much of a difference.

The Batarian's biotic explosion is also 50% stronger. And warp makes his cluster grenades 15% stronger as well. That's why a Drell needs a headshot while the batarian doesn't.

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I've seen Jay's videos, they are nice, nothing special, what he's doing is something anyone can

Obvious stupid troll is obvious and stupid.

Lol. I should learn to read troll posts even after I realize that they're trolls. It makes for such great laughs. Like this, I wouldn't have read the bolded part if it wasn't for you quoting it, haha!

But yeah. with grenades it's definitely possible, on both kits. I just wanted to make sure of what you were saying, since it's not the first time I see you stating that 

The definition of OHK is somewhat subjective.

[Feneckus]

Titus Thongger wrote...

claymore, only on weapon classes

Again ? 

I wonder if people try stuff before they give their "opinion". It's actually at its best on power classes. Obviously, it's best on a GI, but after that, it's power classes.

It's underwhelming on a Turian Soldier.
It doesn't make any sense on a Destroyer.
It's not that good on a Human Soldier.

So what's left ? 

[Ledgend1221]

Claymore is simply better.
Wraith is a girl's gun.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Feneckus wrote...

Well, you only need to fire your weapon once. That's a one hit kill in my book.

Oh, okay.  So, if I shoot a Brute with one shot from an Avenger, then toss all my grenades to kill it, does it still count as a OHK?

I get what you mean, but there will obviously be differing views on this and what is acceptable.

However, if you take advantage of the Warp + Incendiary Ammo bug, the Slasher might possibly be able to "OHK" a Brute. with a Warp + Claymore.  I don't know for sure since Brutes got buffed.

Modifié par Jack Crapper, 24 janvier 2013 - 09:59 .