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What is wrong with bioware giving the fans what they want?


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Dhoozy77

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Fans: Ok great game but if you can change the ending so that we get to choose a happy ending for Shepard that would be great!

Bioware: No, However here a free DLC that expand on the ending. No playing require.

Fans:Ok that's nice but what about the masses that want a happy ending for Shepard male or female with their love intrest? That'll be great right?

Bioware: No, respect our artistic intergity.

Fans : <Angry incoherent yelling +snide remark on the forums about how the ending would be soooo much better if they were to get a happy ending for Shepard with love intrest of choice.>

Bioware:.... Whatever. So we are making a new DLC!

Fans: Really?! Is it about the ending?

Bioware: .... No it's about the Leviathian, they are awesome and it would  be awesome and things will be good. Giving the fans what they want here!

Fans: Really? So new endin-

Bioware: NO.

<Levithian release>

Fans: Bummmer....no new ending...

Bioware...WTF do you know much much hard work and effort we put in that DLC?

Fans: But but the ending...

<Announce Omega DLC>

Bioware: - and it's going to be two times bigger then Levithian and introducing a female Turian! How awesome and cool is that! We also have returning cast memebers and mark meer and jennifer hale is on board as well and- and...why the bummed out face?

Fans: So ...it's not going to be ending related?

Bioware: <grit teeth> FORGET ABOUT THE GOD DAMN ENDING AND ENJOY OUR HARD WORK! GOD! <throws hands up in the air>

<Omega release diehard fans plays it>

Bioware: So what did ya think? Nice and long a BOSS fight like you guys harp on about good right? Long right?

Fans:Well I guess it's true <turns to other fans>  ---

Bioware: <Puff out chest>

Fans  :- It not ending related at all guys...

<Collective fanbase groaning in disappointment.>: Awwwww man....

Bioware: <dev develop a nervous twitch.>

<Rumor of new DLC all voice actor coming back>

Bioware: Ok just so you guys know, We are in no way shape or FORM coming back to the ending capice? It's done, over with, finito! This is a new DLC but it's going to be huge and it's going to be very good! Please look foward to our hard work. Again This is NOT going to be aobut the ending in any way shape of FORM! Now...Question? Yes you there in the front row.


Fan press: So...definately not going to be focus on the ending?

Bioware: ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


How I see it...just give it to the masses already damn it!

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BizkitRebellion

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WOW
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WELL DONE

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Mr Powers94

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they need to move away from mass effect 3 campaign any new dlc just twist the knife in the arm you know. I liked the dlc. I would also like ending dlc but i dont need it, some of those fan fics can just blow you away.what im most interested in is how bioware will deal with/prepare for fan revolts such as this in the future. at some point it cant be worth the trouble to try and make a good game while saying they listen to fan feed back. Halo 4 for example. new company, Kill off major character. fans a little upset but no revolt. difference between mass effect 3 and halo 4, fan pleasing. 343 just made the game and said here it is take it or leave it.

Modifié par Mr Powers94, 24 janvier 2013 - 03:41 .


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Asch Lavigne

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Not everyone wants a new ending. Some of us are fine with Shepard dying. Shep dying does not mean the ending was bad. The whole Starchild thing is what made the ending bad.

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Asch Lavigne wrote...

Not everyone wants a new ending. Some of us are fine with Shepard dying. Shep dying does not mean the ending was bad. The whole Starchild thing is what made the ending bad.


This. The Starbrat and the Crucible made the ending terrible, not the fact that Shepard dies, or that the Geth and EDI are sacrificed when you choose Destroy or whatever.

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Mr Powers94

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i agree sheps death isnt a deal breaker especially when he can survive.

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RuthlessGravity

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When did creating games for a passion become diluted by fans as it was some fast food resturant to satisfy every need?

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XXIceColdXX

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Nice post OP, sort of sums up the whole situation quite accurately. Its funny coz its true.

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Grubas

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Are we talking about the very ending or endgame related? Because priority earth might need an overhaul aswell.
So..

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Alraiis

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What is wrong with giving the fans what they want? Simple. Not all fans want the same thing.

No matter what your view of the endings is, which game you thought was best in the series, or whether or not you like romance subplots, if you can't acknowledge that other people have other opinions on those very topics, and if you instead believe that your opinions are the will of all fans, you're doing it wrong.

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I personally think the Extended Cut endings are fine, no real need to change them. Don't even need anymore SP DLC. Just let the game rest, even if the stupid fans won't stop complaining to this day. Your representation fits how Bioware fans work perfectly.

Omega and Leviathan are great, I think most people here would know that.

Modifié par Camoufrage, 24 janvier 2013 - 04:33 .


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Nightdragon8

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RuthlessGravity wrote...

When did creating games for a passion become diluted by fans as it was some fast food resturant to satisfy every need?


When we put 200+ dollors into a farnchise just to get bad writing and a "bittersweet" ending. The "bittersweet" ending i can handle its the bad writing I can't handle. Sorry the troll logic of "We kill organics before they can make synthetics to prevent the synthetics from taking over and killing all organics"

In which case they where able to make a synthetic/organic hybrid race of millions with the same idea of "killing organics to save organics from synthetics" and they where fine with that logic?? Sounds to me like in reality, a AI got a hair brain idea of how to create peace by killing everyone.

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CynicalShep

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Both sides messed up. End of story

I'd rather they started working on ME4 and used that opportunity to fix whatever mess ME3 was. The rest isn't salvageable, IMO

Modifié par CynicalShep, 24 janvier 2013 - 05:37 .


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Dhoozy77, I think you're under the misapprehension that the "fans" are a cohesive entity that all want exactly the same thing. Even if they all wanted a "happy ending," there would be more than a little disagreement on just what that meant, just as the current endings can be (and has been) interpreted many different ways.

You can see evidence of this by looking at the responses in this very thread. Not everyone agrees all the time. And at this point, even if BioWare were to do what they already said they wouldn't, some groups would be incensed that some other group got what they wanted, leaving other groups disappointed.

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CynicalShep

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Ninja Stan wrote...

Dhoozy77, I think you're under the misapprehension that the "fans" are a cohesive entity that all want exactly the same thing. Even if they all wanted a "happy ending," there would be more than a little disagreement on just what that meant, just as the current endings can be (and has been) interpreted many different ways.

You can see evidence of this by looking at the responses in this very thread. Not everyone agrees all the time. And at this point, even if BioWare were to do what they already said they wouldn't, some groups would be incensed that some other group got what they wanted, leaving other groups disappointed.


Which is why it's a good thing that whatever they're doing now is the last SP DLC for ME3. The more time they have to work on ME4 the better the chance we'll enjoy that game and forget whatever we didn't like about ME3

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TheGreatDayne

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That is a lot of people to try to satisfy...

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Lathrim wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Not everyone wants a new ending. Some of us are fine with Shepard dying. Shep dying does not mean the ending was bad. The whole Starchild thing is what made the ending bad.


This. The Starbrat and the Crucible made the ending terrible, not the fact that Shepard dies, or that the Geth and EDI are sacrificed when you choose Destroy or whatever.


If I agree on just one thing today, this would be it.

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Here's the thing though: Fan demands something, then the other fans who wanted the opposite demand change to the change. If I had to say anything: DO NOT GIVE COMPLETELY INTO FAN DEMANDS. I say listen to what is big "points" that the consensus say and see if you want to do it or not. If you do, do it. If you don't, don't do it.

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Inquisitor Recon

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Not everyone wants some sort of happy ending. My own disappointment in the ending had nothing to do with that. Adding all sorts of "reunion with your waifu" type scenes won't change a thing about why the conclusion to the whole reaper story-arc was quite disappointing.

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Sebby

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If Bioware gave the fans what they want ME3 would have been a hardcore waifu/manfu datesim.

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I'm fine with the way the game ends and not all fans want the same thing. The endings are great and they tie up the game and provide closure. That's what I wanted that's what I got. Just because you're a fan of something doesn't mean creators are entitled to give you everything you want

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"Fans" definately dont all want the same thing. For example the DLC I want most involves building a home for Tali. The 'RannochFire' DLC will also allow you to decorate your home and adopt war orphans to live in it.

It would be the most awesome DLC since Mako Armor.

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CynicalShep

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Faust1979 wrote...

I'm fine with the way the game ends and not all fans want the same thing. The endings are great and they tie up the game and provide closure. That's what I wanted that's what I got. Just because you're a fan of something doesn't mean creators are entitled to give you everything you want


Hahaha. I think you are becoming predictable (no offense)

Seboist wrote...

If Bioware gave the fans what they want ME3 would have been a hardcore waifu/manfu datesim.


A harem couldn't hurt. I mean, savior of the galaxy and all that. 

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Faust1979 wrote...

I'm fine with the way the game ends and not all fans want the same thing. The endings are great and they tie up the game and provide closure. That's what I wanted that's what I got. Just because you're a fan of something doesn't mean creators are entitled to give you everything you want


theres that damm inflammatory word again "entitled"


also in the context you use the word, I think your a tad confused to what the word actually means. As a result I am leaning towards the conclusion you used it to incite a negative response and/or to put down a group of people

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The ending is what it is.
Yes it could and should have been a lot better and made sense. The concept for the ending should have been finalised in pre-production. But it wasn't for whatever reason.

That said, I don't mind more adventures in the me3 universe. For me the reapers were destroyed- job done.