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[008Zulu]

My anger isn't over that she died, but how she died. Jumping in to an RGB lightshow is not an epic ending. We were promised an epic ending.

[N7Infernox]

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

[chidingewe8036]

N7Infernox wrote...

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

I think all of us post ending content dreamers know deep down it aint happening we are just delaying the inevitable to give us reason to stick around these parts a liitle longer and spam all threads with ending grief.

[Dr_Extrem]

iakus wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

this game is not challenging ... neither interlectually nor gameplay-wise. it is full of clishés and kitsch. (thats ok btw.)

making a series darker and edgier (in order to make it look more "adult"), is a common trope. in apr. 95% of the cases, it fails. mass effect 3 is a good example, how not to do it.

the tone of the game maybe perfect - but it did not fit to the series. if you publish a series, all parts have to stick to the same style of telling the stories. this helps to convey a coherent feeling.

As a matter of fact, it is a trope.  And it fits very well into it.   

Darker and Edgier

and the result was, what could be expected. mass effect 3 is a very good example how "darker and edgier" fails. 

[OdanUrr]

OP, fans want all kinds of things. It's never as simple as "giving the fans what they want."

Modifié par OdanUrr, 25 janvier 2013 - 12:43 .

[XXIceColdXX]

Ninja Stan wrote...
Dhoozy77, I think you're under the misapprehension that the "fans" are a cohesive entity that all want exactly the same thing. Even if they all wanted a "happy ending," there would be more than a little disagreement on just what that meant, just as the current endings can be (and has been) interpreted many different ways.

You can see evidence of this by looking at the responses in this very thread. Not everyone agrees all the time. And at this point, even if BioWare were to do what they already said they wouldn't, some groups would be incensed that some other group got what they wanted, leaving other groups disappointed.

I'd have to disagree with you Stan, sure there are a few that may not want a happy ending or fix, but it's pretty widespread how many fans do want something done about it. Not just the BSN. Check out most game sites, look at the comments after any report on ME3, look at other forums that discuss ME3. Comments on YouTube on fan made improvements on the endings. Look how positively the Maurauder shields comics have been received by fans, even getting praise from some of the ME VA's & devs from other companies. How positively received the MEHEM mod has been, look at the feedback.

I'd confidently say those groups that your talking about that would be dissatisfied with a happy ending or fix are a minority.

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 25 janvier 2013 - 01:27 .

[GimmeDaGun]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

I think all of us post ending content dreamers know deep down it aint happening we are just delaying the inevitable to give us reason to stick around these parts a liitle longer and spam all threads with ending grief.

Yeah, nice and I personally get that you are sad and frustrated, even if I'm content with ME3, but I also got to say that no one else gives a flying... well you know what... about your almost one-year-old constant ranting, so you might as well keep to your own "ending threads" instead of polluting other threads with this ending bs.. Sorry if I was a bit harsh, but I had to say it: no one but you "ending haters" care about your frustration, no one else. 

[domainfighter]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

I think all of us post ending content dreamers know deep down it aint happening we are just delaying the inevitable to give us reason to stick around these parts a liitle longer and spam all threads with ending grief.

Yeah, nice and I personally get that you are sad and frustrated, even if I'm content with ME3, but I also got to say that no one else gives a flying... well you know what... about your almost one-year-old constant ranting, so you might as well keep to your own "ending threads" instead of polluting other threads with this ending bs.. Sorry if I was a bit harsh, but I had to say it: no one but you "ending haters" care about your frustration, no one else. 

couldnt say it better myself. sir Thank you!

[chidingewe8036]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

I think all of us post ending content dreamers know deep down it aint happening we are just delaying the inevitable to give us reason to stick around these parts a liitle longer and spam all threads with ending grief.

Yeah, nice and I personally get that you are sad and frustrated, even if I'm content with ME3, but I also got to say that no one else gives a flying... well you know what... about your almost one-year-old constant ranting, so you might as well keep to your own "ending threads" instead of polluting other threads with this ending bs.. Sorry if I was a bit harsh, but I had to say it: no one but you "ending haters" care about your frustration, no one else. 

no join me and together we can destroy the bsn.........give yourself to the darkside.

[chidingewe8036]

domainfighter wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

I think all of us post ending content dreamers know deep down it aint happening we are just delaying the inevitable to give us reason to stick around these parts a liitle longer and spam all threads with ending grief.

Yeah, nice and I personally get that you are sad and frustrated, even if I'm content with ME3, but I also got to say that no one else gives a flying... well you know what... about your almost one-year-old constant ranting, so you might as well keep to your own "ending threads" instead of polluting other threads with this ending bs.. Sorry if I was a bit harsh, but I had to say it: no one but you "ending haters" care about your frustration, no one else. 

couldnt say it better myself. sir Thank you!

join me domain........embrace the darkside and in time you will learn to call me..........maaastaaa

[Jonathan Sud]

I'm fine with DLC not being ending related. And any true Mass Effect fan should feel the same. We all got into this franchise because of the story. DLC introduces new additions to the story. Did LotSB or Overlord affect the ending to ME2? No. Did Bring Down the Sky affect the ending of ME1? No.

It's really derp-tarted that people actually make a big deal out of this.

[domainfighter]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

domainfighter wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

I think all of us post ending content dreamers know deep down it aint happening we are just delaying the inevitable to give us reason to stick around these parts a liitle longer and spam all threads with ending grief.

Yeah, nice and I personally get that you are sad and frustrated, even if I'm content with ME3, but I also got to say that no one else gives a flying... well you know what... about your almost one-year-old constant ranting, so you might as well keep to your own "ending threads" instead of polluting other threads with this ending bs.. Sorry if I was a bit harsh, but I had to say it: no one but you "ending haters" care about your frustration, no one else. 

couldnt say it better myself. sir Thank you!

join me domain........embrace the darkside and in time you will learn to call me..........maaastaaa

I welcome the darkside

Modifié par domainfighter, 25 janvier 2013 - 01:45 .

[ShOtIsLost]

While I agree that Bioware could have, or still can do SOMETHING to the ending, fans have taken this overboard. We payed for a product, which we received. Just because we didn't like the last 15 minutes of it doesn't mean we should complain about everything Bioware does until they change it. I find it ridiculous my self, but the OP was really funny

[Morty Smith]

Dhoozy77 wrote...

Bioware: No, respect our artistic intergity.

[Ghost]

OdanUrr wrote...

OP, fans want all kinds of things. It's never as simple as "giving the fans what they want."

Especially BioWare fans.Out of all the forums I go to..BioWare fans seem to be the most difficult to satisfy because everyone wants something different whether its more content for a character like Miranda, a new mission on Palaven or a new ending.

[FlamingBoy]

honestly when I think about it now there is very little bioware can do... the problems have to do with the very foundations of both the plot and the gutting of key mechanics (dialogue wheel for example)

bottom line the game should have been much better than it was and it didn't have the time, effort, and/or love (budget?) that should have been put in the finale of the series

I mean looking at the past developers promises they appeared to be building for something grand, most of it was a straight out lie

[FlamingBoy]

Ghost1017 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

OP, fans want all kinds of things. It's never as simple as "giving the fans what they want."

Especially BioWare fans.Out of all the forums I go to..BioWare fans seem to be the most difficult to satisfy because everyone wants something different whether its more content for a character like Miranda, a new mission on Palaven or a new ending.

which high end rpg forum, would you consider not "difficult to satisfy"

these claims that bsn and bioware fans are somehow the worst of bunch are becoming greatly exaggerated

[Ghost]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

OP, fans want all kinds of things. It's never as simple as "giving the fans what they want."

Especially BioWare fans.Out of all the forums I go to..BioWare fans seem to be the most difficult to satisfy because everyone wants something different whether its more content for a character like Miranda, a new mission on Palaven or a new ending.

which high end rpg forum, would you consider not "difficult to satisfy"

these claims that bsn and bioware fans are somehow the worst of bunch are becoming greatly exaggerated

1. Did you read my whole post?
2. I never said BioWare fans are the worst of the bunch.

[chidingewe8036]

domainfighter wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

domainfighter wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

What's wrong with Bioware wanting to move forward so it can keep paying its workers?

Whining will only get you so far, and posting biased questions as an OP like that will probably wind up counterproductive to achieving your (implied) goal.

I think all of us post ending content dreamers know deep down it aint happening we are just delaying the inevitable to give us reason to stick around these parts a liitle longer and spam all threads with ending grief.

Yeah, nice and I personally get that you are sad and frustrated, even if I'm content with ME3, but I also got to say that no one else gives a flying... well you know what... about your almost one-year-old constant ranting, so you might as well keep to your own "ending threads" instead of polluting other threads with this ending bs.. Sorry if I was a bit harsh, but I had to say it: no one but you "ending haters" care about your frustration, no one else. 

couldnt say it better myself. sir Thank you!

join me domain........embrace the darkside and in time you will learn to call me..........maaastaaa

I welcome the darkside

Darth Vader Anakin Skywalker, my favorite character of all time forever

[Red Panda]

Ghost1017 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

OP, fans want all kinds of things. It's never as simple as "giving the fans what they want."

Especially BioWare fans.Out of all the forums I go to..BioWare fans seem to be the most difficult to satisfy because everyone wants something different whether its more content for a character like Miranda, a new mission on Palaven or a new ending.

It could always be worse. Have you ever been to the Flood on bungie.net?

[Ghost]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

OP, fans want all kinds of things. It's never as simple as "giving the fans what they want."

Especially BioWare fans.Out of all the forums I go to..BioWare fans seem to be the most difficult to satisfy because everyone wants something different whether its more content for a character like Miranda, a new mission on Palaven or a new ending.

It could always be worse. Have you ever been to the Flood on bungie.net?

I have been there. The users are quite interesting to say the least......

Modifié par Ghost1017, 25 janvier 2013 - 02:30 .

[Jeffonl1]

Well ... here's a presentation by Bioware's former cinematic designer Leon Troisi

Its a interesting discussion - the interactive player experience and game design

[someone else]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Dhoozy77, I think you're under the misapprehension that the "fans" are a cohesive entity that all want exactly the same thing. Even if they all wanted a "happy ending," there would be more than a little disagreement on just what that meant, just as the current endings can be (and has been) interpreted many different ways.

You can see evidence of this by looking at the responses in this very thread. Not everyone agrees all the time. And at this point, even if BioWare were to do what they already said they wouldn't, some groups would be incensed that some other group got what they wanted, leaving other groups disappointed.

nonsense.   the current ending choices - starbrat included - can remain - either as literal truth or allegory - however you choose to view them  - and satisfy the artsy intelligencia aesthetes out there.  Control and Synthesis represent outcomes that go beyond the scope of a single individual experience - they represents a discontinuous jump to a new level of consciousness/being that must be left to imagination - intellectually interesting maybe but emotionally barren - and that is the key to why the ending does not satisfy a very large portion of your fan base.

Bioware failed to provide an ending that made narrative and emotional sense in human terms - whether that involves a properly mourning crew and LI's (median EMS) or (high EMS) a reunion.  I guarantee that had BW provided an ending that resolved Shepard's story within the parameters of the human condition, you would have seen a much different reaction - check out the responses on the MEHEM thread if you doubt it... 

[N7Infernox]

FlamingBoy wrote...

honestly when I think about it now there is very little bioware can do... the problems have to do with the very foundations of both the plot and the gutting of key mechanics (dialogue wheel for example)

bottom line the game should have been much better than it was and it didn't have the time, effort, and/or love (budget?) that should have been put in the finale of the series

I mean looking at the past developers promises they appeared to be building for something grand, most of it was a straight out lie

From what I remember, dialogue wheel downgrades were made because of the tremendous amount of recorded lines going into the game. Shep's lines got trimmed because they needed to leave enough room for other things.
As for the plot issues and empty promises, I will say that they did have a tall order on their hands. Fans had high expectations, execs probably had high expectations, and Bioware got caught in the middle trying to appeal to both instead of rolling with their original flow. Many argue that forced multiplayer is what pushed ME3s release date to march instead of november/december b/c some people up top wouldn't just commit an entire game to it. Some think that extra fanservice was a cover up for certain plots/ character not staying intertwined with the ReaperArc. Who knows the truth really.

I don't regret the ME3 we got, but I do believe that, if EA's current "business direction" wasn't in the picture, and if given appropriate resources and infinite dev time, that Bioware could have given us a whole different ME3 if they wanted to. (But then again, I bet that's what Valve fans are hoping for Half-Life 3...)