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[BrookerT]

Snake91 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

I know people make fun of Artistic Integrity and all, but if an artist doesn't want to make something they shouldn't bow to pressure. They wrote the way they wanted it to be wrote, if they want to change it, it should be in the way they want. They wanted this ending. not the ending you want. The EC was a compromise between their vision and fans requests.

It seems odd that people criticize companies like EA for appealing to the masses, but the instant people don't get what they want, they scream and shout, saying it must conform to there desire.

Well said, mister!

That's not right

What's not right?

[dreamgazer]

Steelcan wrote...

You all just don't see the endings for what they really are, art. You idiots all picked destroy I'm guessing. Succumb to the Catalyst and experience a greater galaxy than you could ever imagine, pick synthesis.

That sounds like quite the ... "ascension" of the artform there, Steelcan. 

[Steelcan]

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You all just don't see the endings for what they really are, art. You idiots all picked destroy I'm guessing. Succumb to the Catalyst and experience a greater galaxy than you could ever imagine, pick synthesis.

That sounds like quite the ... "ascension" of the artform there, Steelcan. 

. I was joking.  You won't find a bigger supporter of Destroy than me.

[Axeface]

Bioware listening to its fans on forums is akin to a parent listening to their child when it screams for a mcdonalds. The only product is heartache.

Modifié par Axeface, 25 janvier 2013 - 04:38 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

nothing is wrong with giving fans what they want, but to a point it's also impossible. Now if it's about the ME3 ending they really should have given us what we wanted but i'm sure bioware figures if so many fans don't buy their next game they'll just replace us, because we don't matter when it comes down to the bottom line which will always be money.

[RedBeardJim]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh and speak for yourself pal! Many dislike MEHEM, and not all of them are ending lovers or apologists. The lack of creativity in that convectional, pew-pew type of victory and hugging it all up with the LI in the end is absurd. This is a dark sci-fi (unfortunately ME2's soap operaish tendecies had a huge effect on people, but it is not a romantic flick + there are plenty of emotional character moments throughout ME3). 

And if both options had been provided by biowar from the start, you could have your dark "bittersweet" ending and we could have had our "pew-pew victory" as you so condescendingly call it, and there'd be a lot less arguing on the BSN.

At least in regards to endings.

But no.  It's gotta be all dark all the time.  Because there's no way anyone roleplayed a Shepard interested in having a life outside the Reaper War, right?

I'm quite familiar with your posts and opinion, iakus. You should be familiar with mine too. We are not in the same boat, we both know that. I dislike the usual "pew-pew" endings, yeah. I find them lame and I'm into genres of literature, films and games which have a more creative and ballsy approach to their characters and story telling (games like: The Witcher, Deus-Ex, Thief, Metro2033 etc. etc.). So you should know that I'm not the biggest fan of the straight forward hero power trippy stuff. Tthat's why my least favourit of the three ME games is ME2... I was a bit worried about ME3 when I played that one... but Arrival and LoTSB kind of reassured me that there will be more to it than a huge scale Mr. Galaxy-Shepard power trip against the reapers.. But please don't make it sound like I was condescending to those who like this kind of stuff, cause I'm not. Actually I feel sorry for you, but on the other hand I can't do anything about your frustration and general negativity and also I - as egoistic ****** I am - tend to express what I think about ME3 and its endings. It's my opinion. I don't hold the philosopher's stone, but it's still an opinion, and just as valid as yours, only different. 

"But please don't make it sound like I was condescending to those who like this kind of stuff, cause I'm not."

Here's a hint: when you say that the stuff you like is "more creative and ballsy", instead of that "lame" stuff that people that you "feel sorry for" are into, you are being condescending.

You like stuff that is different then what some other folks like. That doesn't make it "more creative and ballsy". It's not. It's well-trodden ground. It was well-trodden ground decades ago. It's not better, it's not worse, it's just *what you like*.

[dreamgazer]

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You all just don't see the endings for what they really are, art. You idiots all picked destroy I'm guessing. Succumb to the Catalyst and experience a greater galaxy than you could ever imagine, pick synthesis.

That sounds like quite the ... "ascension" of the artform there, Steelcan. 

. I was joking.  You won't find a bigger supporter of Destroy than me.

(whispers) I know.

[Steelcan]

Had to make sure, can't rely on people detecting sarcasm in text.

[voteDC]

BrookerT wrote...

I know people make fun of Artistic Integrity and all, but if an artist doesn't want to make something they shouldn't bow to pressure. They wrote the way they wanted it to be wrote, if they want to change it, it should be in the way they want. They wanted this ending. not the ending you want. The EC was a compromise between their vision and fans requests.  

The problem is that as soon as they sold Mass Effect 3 the game became "commerical art" and in commercial art you need to produce things that people are not only going to want to buy but will also make them more likely to pick up your next piece.

I think a happy ending would be a good thing as it would let people leave the game anticipating the next release from Bioware. I don't think the next DLC will be anything of the sort however, I expect something with plenty of narrow corridors filled with chest high walls.

[TMZuk]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

TMZuk wrote...


It's not void of emotion. What it does to you, I don't know. To me, it causes nausea. I despise the Messiah parrable with a vengeance. A glowing god-boy emerges out of nothing, and grants Shepard the power to re-shape the galaxy as he/she see fit! And in the process lay down his/her life for the greater good....

Excuse me while I go to the toilet and vomit! I despise pseudo-mystical, pseudo-religious mumbo jumbo!

As if that is not bad enough, the whole ending, after the death of T.I.M., is utterly and completely disconnected to the rest of the game(s). There's NO hint that Shepard is Jesus in disguise. There's NO hint that Shepard is a sheep that would willingly accept the BS some glowing aspect of the Reapers attempts to feed him. If you like it, good for you. Go to Youtube or any other social media. The ending apologists are the minority! Not the silent majority!

MEHEM is far from perfect. It's a one man work, still in progress, on a game that isn't that easy to mod. But even being cliche'd, predictable and sugarcoated, it still beats the awful nonsense given to us by EA-Bioware. By a mile or more!

Sorry, but I'm not willing to, so I don't participate in this whole "my cigaro is bigger than yours contest", which is the "who's majority or minority" concerning opinions about the ending. That's for those who aim to generalise thier own opinions and make it the only one that counts. I don't care about that. 

I have no problem with you not liking the ending, I'm ok with you hating it or going out to the toilet and puking all around it out of disgust, if that's what the ending does to you. I would feel pretty much the same if the ending was the usual happy ending bang-bang, kiss-kiss stuff. I'm also fine if you keep posting about it here. I can't help it, so I don't really care about it.

What I don't get is why can't you just accept that there are people out there who have slightly different tastes. Oh, and I love mystical, symbolic, pseudo-spiritual mumbo-jumbo mixed with gritty, noirish wibe and the theme of sacrafice, which is one of the strongest forms of heroism. And yes, it does quite a lot to me. You know why? Because we are all different. If you can't deal with that, it's your problem, not mine. If you can't cope with the ending and will hate anything about it fine, if you hate everything about ME3, I'm fine with that too, if you desperately try to convince those who like it about them being wrong, I'm fine with that too.. only it won't happen. And as a member of your so called "minority", I'm also here and will express my opinion as you do. Not harsher than you, nor to prove you wrong, but I will do it. 

What I don't get is that you have the incredible arrogance to dismiss all complaints about the endings as coming from people who only wants "bang-bang pew-pew kiss-kiss" stuff. All it proves is that you are either having your head in the clouds, or that you are an ostrich!

I'll try again: I.... Do... Not.... Nescessarly... Want... A... Happy... Ending! Was that clear enough?

I want an ending That... Makes... Sense... Within... The... Context... Of... The... Game(s). There, loud and clear, isn't it?

Glowboy does not make sense. He is not connected to the game(s). Throughout the series, there's no clue that he exists. He is a Deux ex Machina.

Furthermore, he speaks lies. He claims that what the Reapers do is in order to prevent the ineviatable war between organics and synthetics. Negotiating a peace between Geth and Quarians ... Proves... Him.... Wrong. He claims the organics are harvested for their own good. Why the horror, then? He could not come up with something better to prevent an all out, destructive war, than to wage an all out destructive war? We are harvested to be part of the reapers. Why does he destroy entire planets with orbital bombardment, then? Those people are not "harvested". They are just butchered. Worst of all is this: The reapers deliberately acertains that all emerging galactic civilizations follows a pattern that will make it possible for the reapers to defeat them. That pattern leads to, ineviatable according to Glowboy, dumb kid that he is, all out destructive war between organics and synthetics. Well, Glowkid, guess what? STOP interfering and the civilizations will follow a DIFFERENT pattern!

It is, to put it bluntly, pure and simple bollocks! Nonsense. Absurd. It is so dumb it defies any kind of rational thought.

THAT is why we need a new endings or preferbly more. Not to have a "pew-pew kissy-kissy" ending. But to have one that makes sense!

[Dr_Extrem]

literature is art and bioware wanted to make art. if you write a story, you have to follow certain rules - every art follows its own set of rules. if you break or ignore those rules, your art gets criticised - thats normal.

the endings broke and ignored a lot of rules and therefore, they are open to criticism. they broke certain rules of literature and movie making alike. the "death of continuity" was the biggest mistake they could make. changing the narrative style at the end or close to the end, is the almost certain death for a story. if people want to see an ending, they want to, because they liked the story that came before.

the game is about pew-pew, clishés, kitsch and a giant reaper off-switch - the ending should fit to the rest of the story as well.


edit: even mehem is not a happy ending and i posted the reasons several times.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:45 .

[ninjawannabe]

I personally, had no problem with shepard dieing. My biggest problem with the ending was fixed with the Extended cut. the original ending to me didn't seem like a victory to me at all; it just appeared as though, all the time you spent on whole trilogy amounted to screwing the galaxy in your choice of red, blue or green explosions, destroying the mass relays, and marooning your ship and what's left of your crew on some unknown planet. After the extended cut, the endings are still something I would choose, but they are tolerable, because they actually seem like victories and they acknowledge some of the stuff you did in the trilogy. that's about all we can really get from them as far as the ending goes.

for me I don't really need another ending. What I would want is the armor of the N7 operatives in multiplayer (mainly the Slayer, Shadow, Fury, and demolisher) cut into interchangible pieces for shepard's N7 armor, and either customizeable kits for multiplayer or every appropriate race for every class (some inappropriate races would be Geth biotics, Krogan infiltrators, Volus soldiers, Protheans of any class). that would right a lot of wrongs for me.

[gisle]

Bioware have listened to the loud fanbase before. That's how DA2 and ME2 was so radically different from DA:O and ME1.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You realize that you can leave the EC intact and simply append the entire thing with a compatibility patch + post "ending" DLC for their final DLC, right? Of course this means that that they would have to embrace IT, and Shepard never made it to the Citadel, and we never got the real ending in the first place. Shepard could die. Shepard could live. Depending upon your EMS, Shepard or (death hierarchy) one or more of your team mates could die. You could have happy ending; bittersweet ending; or sad ending depending upon how well you do or how crappy you do. Sorry for those of you who want a crappy ending and do well, you'll just have to make some poor choices on your next play.

Would they do it? I think it would sell and solve their sequel problem, I'd buy. They don't have to set a canon this way. You know what it is already, and you know the time frame of the sequel -- it's when Shepard would be too old to do anything anyway (30 years after the war) so it doesn't matter what your outcome is.

[GimmeDaGun]

TMZuk wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

TMZuk wrote...


It's not void of emotion. What it does to you, I don't know. To me, it causes nausea. I despise the Messiah parrable with a vengeance. A glowing god-boy emerges out of nothing, and grants Shepard the power to re-shape the galaxy as he/she see fit! And in the process lay down his/her life for the greater good....

Excuse me while I go to the toilet and vomit! I despise pseudo-mystical, pseudo-religious mumbo jumbo!

As if that is not bad enough, the whole ending, after the death of T.I.M., is utterly and completely disconnected to the rest of the game(s). There's NO hint that Shepard is Jesus in disguise. There's NO hint that Shepard is a sheep that would willingly accept the BS some glowing aspect of the Reapers attempts to feed him. If you like it, good for you. Go to Youtube or any other social media. The ending apologists are the minority! Not the silent majority!

MEHEM is far from perfect. It's a one man work, still in progress, on a game that isn't that easy to mod. But even being cliche'd, predictable and sugarcoated, it still beats the awful nonsense given to us by EA-Bioware. By a mile or more!

Sorry, but I'm not willing to, so I don't participate in this whole "my cigaro is bigger than yours contest", which is the "who's majority or minority" concerning opinions about the ending. That's for those who aim to generalise thier own opinions and make it the only one that counts. I don't care about that. 

I have no problem with you not liking the ending, I'm ok with you hating it or going out to the toilet and puking all around it out of disgust, if that's what the ending does to you. I would feel pretty much the same if the ending was the usual happy ending bang-bang, kiss-kiss stuff. I'm also fine if you keep posting about it here. I can't help it, so I don't really care about it.

What I don't get is why can't you just accept that there are people out there who have slightly different tastes. Oh, and I love mystical, symbolic, pseudo-spiritual mumbo-jumbo mixed with gritty, noirish wibe and the theme of sacrafice, which is one of the strongest forms of heroism. And yes, it does quite a lot to me. You know why? Because we are all different. If you can't deal with that, it's your problem, not mine. If you can't cope with the ending and will hate anything about it fine, if you hate everything about ME3, I'm fine with that too, if you desperately try to convince those who like it about them being wrong, I'm fine with that too.. only it won't happen. And as a member of your so called "minority", I'm also here and will express my opinion as you do. Not harsher than you, nor to prove you wrong, but I will do it. 

What I don't get is that you have the incredible arrogance to dismiss all complaints about the endings as coming from people who only wants "bang-bang pew-pew kiss-kiss" stuff. All it proves is that you are either having your head in the clouds, or that you are an ostrich!

I'll try again: I.... Do... Not.... Nescessarly... Want... A... Happy... Ending! Was that clear enough?

I want an ending That... Makes... Sense... Within... The... Context... Of... The... Game(s). There, loud and clear, isn't it?

Glowboy does not make sense. He is not connected to the game(s). Throughout the series, there's no clue that he exists. He is a Deux ex Machina.

Furthermore, he speaks lies. He claims that what the Reapers do is in order to prevent the ineviatable war between organics and synthetics. Negotiating a peace between Geth and Quarians ... Proves... Him.... Wrong. He claims the organics are harvested for their own good. Why the horror, then? He could not come up with something better to prevent an all out, destructive war, than to wage an all out destructive war? We are harvested to be part of the reapers. Why does he destroy entire planets with orbital bombardment, then? Those people are not "harvested". They are just butchered. Worst of all is this: The reapers deliberately acertains that all emerging galactic civilizations follows a pattern that will make it possible for the reapers to defeat them. That pattern leads to, ineviatable according to Glowboy, dumb kid that he is, all out destructive war between organics and synthetics. Well, Glowkid, guess what? STOP interfering and the civilizations will follow a DIFFERENT pattern!

It is, to put it bluntly, pure and simple bollocks! Nonsense. Absurd. It is so dumb it defies any kind of rational thought.

THAT is why we need a new endings or preferbly more. Not to have a "pew-pew kissy-kissy" ending. But to have one that makes sense!

Maybe my last post wasn't clear enough. When I was talking about "pew-pew, kissy-kissy" happy ending, I was only reacting to your "nauseatic" reaction to the game's ending. That kind of hippy-trippy ending would have a similar kind of effect on me. Also you mentioned MEHEM before, which you find a better ending even when you yourself said it that you think it's lame. So I didn't assume that you wanted an outright happy ending like that, but still you prefer that stuff over the thing we got in the game. So my head is not in the clouds, and it does not prove nothing, my friend. 

The point of my post was: It all comes down to tastes whether you find something good or not, which is very subjective. I for one love the ending of the game. And to me it is within context with the rest of the story, as it is to many others I know in these forums and even two good friends and colleagues of mine (all three of us are medical doctors... now this might sound a bit pricky and arrogant, but I really don't know how else to prove you that those who love the ending and does not find it stupid or out of context are not stupid morons without education and a higher capacity for cognitive functions).

Yeah, I'm quite familiar with the whole "does not make sense", "out of context" war from the ending haters part from smudboy to the tasteful nerdrage guy. I know it all by heart believe me, yet I respectfully disagree with them. And I was writing my own points here many times to all of those things you mention trust me, but I got tired of it as hell for most of the times the answer to it was: "doesn't make sense", "not foreshadowed", "plotholes", "artistic integrity" and the rest of the usual bull****. Ocassionally there were a few refreshing exceptions, eg. a nice debate with Dr_Extreme once or twice where we both shared our points and in the end we agreed to disagree in peace acknowledging that difference between our opinions is mostly due to different tastes and preferences. 

Nowadays I stopped debating about it because its is sensless, but let me react to a few remarks and "gospellish" statements if I find the need to do so. Like I did to this guy's opinion about the ending was a void of emotion. Because it is just an opinion get it? Opinion! No more. As is mine: which I kind of make clear, by the attitude in which I'm writing. But I can't stand when someone outright exclaims things and treat it as a solid fact, when it is not. 

So to me the ending is not bollock, nor absurd, but absolutely makes sense and is great. Now who's right? You or me? I tell you: both. Because in the end to oneslef the other's opinion does not matter, but his or her own. So that's why you want a new ending while others like me don't... and now I won't go in to the "cigaro-cigaro, mine is bigger than yours" minority-majority argument others love so much here. Does not prove anything, nor there's solid proof for either side being right. 

[GimmeDaGun]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

literature is art and bioware wanted to make art. if you write a story, you have to follow certain rules - every art follows its own set of rules. if you break or ignore those rules, your art gets criticised - thats normal.

the endings broke and ignored a lot of rules and therefore, they are open to criticism. they broke certain rules of literature and movie making alike. the "death of continuity" was the biggest mistake they could make. changing the narrative style at the end or close to the end, is the almost certain death for a story. if people want to see an ending, they want to, because they liked the story that came before.

the game is about pew-pew, clishés, kitsch and a giant reaper off-switch - the ending should fit to the rest of the story as well.


edit: even mehem is not a happy ending and i posted the reasons several times.

We were discussing this from alpha to omega once. You know my points and where my stand comes from so I do know yours. I enjoyed that conversation very much, but if you pardon me, I wouldn't start it all over again.

[Dr_Extrem]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

literature is art and bioware wanted to make art. if you write a story, you have to follow certain rules - every art follows its own set of rules. if you break or ignore those rules, your art gets criticised - thats normal.

the endings broke and ignored a lot of rules and therefore, they are open to criticism. they broke certain rules of literature and movie making alike. the "death of continuity" was the biggest mistake they could make. changing the narrative style at the end or close to the end, is the almost certain death for a story. if people want to see an ending, they want to, because they liked the story that came before.

the game is about pew-pew, clishés, kitsch and a giant reaper off-switch - the ending should fit to the rest of the story as well.


edit: even mehem is not a happy ending and i posted the reasons several times.

We were discussing this from alpha to omega once. You know my points and where my stand comes from so I do know yours. I enjoyed that conversation very much, but if you pardon me, I wouldn't start it all over again.

one can hope ...

your attitude made me post - degrading people, who see the endings as a discontinuation of the story, is the wrong way.

_______________________

the story is simple and partially presented in a horrilby corny way. a literature critic, would rip the ending (with the whole story in mind) to shreds.

simple and corny stories are cool, as long, as they are presented in a powerful way. sadly, mass effect resorts to cheap clishés and corny one liners, far too often. together with certain scenes and the ending, the game turnes into a grotesque, that would even be funny, if i would not have invested so much time into the trilogy and the characters.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:38 .

[GimmeDaGun]

RedBeardJim wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh and speak for yourself pal! Many dislike MEHEM, and not all of them are ending lovers or apologists. The lack of creativity in that convectional, pew-pew type of victory and hugging it all up with the LI in the end is absurd. This is a dark sci-fi (unfortunately ME2's soap operaish tendecies had a huge effect on people, but it is not a romantic flick + there are plenty of emotional character moments throughout ME3). 

And if both options had been provided by biowar from the start, you could have your dark "bittersweet" ending and we could have had our "pew-pew victory" as you so condescendingly call it, and there'd be a lot less arguing on the BSN.

At least in regards to endings.

But no.  It's gotta be all dark all the time.  Because there's no way anyone roleplayed a Shepard interested in having a life outside the Reaper War, right?

I'm quite familiar with your posts and opinion, iakus. You should be familiar with mine too. We are not in the same boat, we both know that. I dislike the usual "pew-pew" endings, yeah. I find them lame and I'm into genres of literature, films and games which have a more creative and ballsy approach to their characters and story telling (games like: The Witcher, Deus-Ex, Thief, Metro2033 etc. etc.). So you should know that I'm not the biggest fan of the straight forward hero power trippy stuff. Tthat's why my least favourit of the three ME games is ME2... I was a bit worried about ME3 when I played that one... but Arrival and LoTSB kind of reassured me that there will be more to it than a huge scale Mr. Galaxy-Shepard power trip against the reapers.. But please don't make it sound like I was condescending to those who like this kind of stuff, cause I'm not. Actually I feel sorry for you, but on the other hand I can't do anything about your frustration and general negativity and also I - as egoistic ****** I am - tend to express what I think about ME3 and its endings. It's my opinion. I don't hold the philosopher's stone, but it's still an opinion, and just as valid as yours, only different. 

"But please don't make it sound like I was condescending to those who like this kind of stuff, cause I'm not."

Here's a hint: when you say that the stuff you like is "more creative and ballsy", instead of that "lame" stuff that people that you "feel sorry for" are into, you are being condescending.

You like stuff that is different then what some other folks like. That doesn't make it "more creative and ballsy". It's not. It's well-trodden ground. It was well-trodden ground decades ago. It's not better, it's not worse, it's just *what you like*.

Go ahead Jim! Play around with my words in what way you wish. They were pretty clear, so you don't have to twist them just to make them look bad. I won't even comment on that. 

Well, it is more ballsy since it dares not aiming to please the usual and general expectations of people but make it's own point and it is more creative since it is not the simple "hurrah stuff with military-bravado, a huge ass victory without casualties and the usual kissing it up with LI stuff" which we usually get in stories nowadays (especially in games with a few exceptions). Whether it being good or bad? Well, that's up to each one of us to judge. But those are all opinions again. And yes, it is what I like. Oh, and I made it pretty clear that it was my subjective opinion, didn't I? 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:44 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

literature is art and bioware wanted to make art. if you write a story, you have to follow certain rules - every art follows its own set of rules. if you break or ignore those rules, your art gets criticised - thats normal.

the endings broke and ignored a lot of rules and therefore, they are open to criticism. they broke certain rules of literature and movie making alike. the "death of continuity" was the biggest mistake they could make. changing the narrative style at the end or close to the end, is the almost certain death for a story. if people want to see an ending, they want to, because they liked the story that came before.

the game is about pew-pew, clishés, kitsch and a giant reaper off-switch - the ending should fit to the rest of the story as well.


edit: even mehem is not a happy ending and i posted the reasons several times.

We were discussing this from alpha to omega once. You know my points and where my stand comes from so I do know yours. I enjoyed that conversation very much, but if you pardon me, I wouldn't start it all over again.

one can hope ...

your attitude made me post - degrading people, who see the endings as a discontinuation of the story, is the wrong way.

_______________________

the story is simple and partially presented in a horrilby corny way. a literature critic, would rip the ending (with the whole story in mind) to shreds.

simple and corny stories are cool, as long, as they are presented in a powerful way. sadly, mass effect resorts to cheap clishés and corny one liners, far too often. together with certain scenes and the ending, the game turnes into a grotesque, that would even be funny, if i would not have invested so much time into the trilogy and the characters.

Objection: I didn't degrade their opinions. Only tried to tell them that what they say is just an opinion not a fact nor the truth. Not more valid than say, your or my opinion. Yeah, I may have been a bit harsh... I give you that. 

...and again.. no, no, no...... you won't lure me into this trap... I really need to sleep tonight, since I will have a long night shift tomorrow and this week was pretty horrible for me in the clinics, so I won't go into this debate... some other time maybe. 

[futurepixels]

As a fan who thinks there is no harm in adding more endings to a game that is about choices, I am curious why they will not give me what I want.   If the new DLC does not include new endings, or at least a mission that is actually relevant to main story, I am permanently boycotting Bioware products.

Modifié par futurepixels, 25 janvier 2013 - 08:02 .

[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I'm quite familiar with your posts and opinion, iakus. You should be familiar with mine too. We are not in the same boat, we both know that. I dislike the usual "pew-pew" endings, yeah. I find them lame and I'm into genres of literature, films and games which have a more creative and ballsy approach to their characters and story telling (games like: The Witcher, Deus-Ex, Thief, Metro2033 etc. etc.). So you should know that I'm not the biggest fan of the straight forward hero power trippy stuff. Tthat's why my least favourit of the three ME games is ME2... I was a bit worried about ME3 when I played that one... but Arrival and LoTSB kind of reassured me that there will be more to it than a huge scale Mr. Galaxy-Shepard power trip against the reapers.. But please don't make it sound like I was condescending to those who like this kind of stuff, cause I'm not. Actually I feel sorry for you, but on the other hand I can't do anything about your frustration and general negativity and also I - as egoistic ****** I am - tend to express what I think about ME3 and its endings. It's my opinion. I don't hold the philosopher's stone, but it's still an opinion, and just as valid as yours, only different. 

Your opinion of the ME3 endings doesn't bother me.  WHat bothers me is that those are the only choices.  There is zero reason why there couldn't be more option, brighter, more hopeful options for those who wanted them.   It bothers me that, despite claims to want to broaden their audience, bioware cared only to cater to a fraction of it not once, but twice.

I don't htink Bioware needs to change the endings that already exist, I think Bioware needed to add more options so they really can please a larger segment of their audience.  There were many Shepards out there, many stories being told.  Yet all the Shepards ended up largely the same.  That's not choice.  That's not role-playing.  That's buying a lottery ticket to see if you're part of the  group Bioware chooses to cater to..

People keep saying that ME3 is "art" and they shouldnt' bow to the audience.  Well, if you're going to sell your art, you need to keep the desires of the paying customer in mind.  Especially if they want people to keep buying their art.  Bioware simply did not do this.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

I don't want them to change anything.

[AlanC9]

GimmeDaGun wrote...
We were discussing this from alpha to omega once. You know my points and where my stand comes from so I do know yours. I enjoyed that conversation very much, but if you pardon me, I wouldn't start it all over again.

Sometimes I think it'd be more efficient for the regulars to set up web pages with their main points and just link to that rather than retyping the same argument.