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[Undead Han]

Cannot unsee.

[slimgrin]

Out of curiosity, I went to the witcher forum to see their inquisition thread.

 

The gloating is strong with them people.

 

It was amusing as well to see BSNers like chewin and slimgrin there gloating over how badly the game makes them cringe.

 

Inquisition may well be turn out to be inferior to The Witcher 3. But man, what a way to win the race.

 

If calling Bioware out for making stupid design decisions is gloating, so be it. I think Origins is damn close to the Witcher in quality. Too bad Bioware doesn't feel the same, otherwise they'd build on what they did in that game instead of following trends that make their sequels weaker.

 

edit- I just read the last two pages, had no idea this was going on for this long...

[Elhanan]

And yet, it is complaints of gameplay mechanics from TW fans that are partially responsible for my lack of interest thus far. Lots of praise about stories and choices, but actually playing the game is oft criticized for being lackluster.

[Reever]

Fair enough. How far are you in Witcher 1 btw?

 

Still only at the beginning of the 3rd act, sadly! Will certainly finish it, only it will be sometime in autumn, will have a busy summer =)

[Zcorck]

Still only at the beginning of the 3rd act, sadly! Will certainly finish it, only it will be sometime in autumn, will have a busy summer =)

Well that's good!
Besides, there's still a while to go before Witcher 3 is out anyway.   

What has TW1 been like for you so far?

[Heimdall]

And yet, it is complaints of gameplay mechanics from TW fans that are partially responsible for my lack of interest thus far. Lots of praise about stories and choices, but actually playing the game is oft criticized for being lackluster.

The first game?  Honestly the gameplay stopped me from getting past the first act (First after leaving Loc Muine anyway, my memory is foggy on what was what)

 

Figuring out the particulars of the various mechanics and how to make use of alchemy and whatnot is a chore and I just got to the point where I realized I wasn't having fun.  That, and Geralt just didn't interest me much.

 

*Has played and enjoyed TW2, but the first game remains a point of disinterest.

[Pateu]

Oh, it can do more than that. It can also wave around its story, and its *real* Choice and Consequence branching narrative. It can wave around its better level design, and its non-reused assets. It can wave around its larger bestiary. It can wave around its better animations. It can wave around its totally non-rushed feel.

Basically, it can wave around the fact that it's a better friggin game.

 

Its story? The Witcher series is a rather generic universe, a combination of high fantasy and ASOIAF. The only mildly interesting thing is the dimension travel and the role of alchemy in Witchers.

 

Choices? There's only one important one: Roche vs Iorveth. There is no sane reason to pick Iorveth from an IC point of view, considering he already tried to have you killed once and helped Letho.

 

Larger bestiary?

 

It has like 5 creatures every arc. 

 

 

 

 It can wave around its better level design

 

You mean linear.

 

Not saying DA2 is better than TW2, because it's not.

 

But TW2 isn't the king of RPGs either.

 

DAO is much better as a pure RPG.

[slimgrin]

The first game?  Honestly the gameplay stopped me from getting past the first act (First after leaving Loc Muine anyway, my memory is foggy on what was what)

 

Figuring out the particulars of the various mechanics and how to make use of alchemy and whatnot is a chore and I just got to the point where I realized I wasn't having fun.  That, and Geralt just didn't interest me much.

 

*Has played and enjoyed TW2, but the first game remains a point of disinterest.

 

It's true the game play is divisive, especially in TW1. I found it to be fun in the preparation aspect and alchemy, but the execution was a bit lack luster. Most everything else is worth it though, especially the unique arc the narrative takes and the fact an entire chapter is a break from the main mission. I had never seen a narrative heavy game do that before. It was 8-10 hours of you just dawdling around, being a Witcher.

[In Exile]

Choices? There's only one important one: Roche vs Iorveth. There is no sane reason to pick Iorveth from an IC point of view, considering he already tried to have you killed once and helped Letho.

 

Getting rid of Roche and being able to move freely to track down Letho is a great reason to side with Iorveth. 

[Blooddrunk1004]

Its story? The Witcher series is a rather generic universe, a combination of high fantasy and ASOIAF. The only mildly interesting thing is the dimension travel and the role of alchemy in Witchers.

 

Choices? There's only one important one: Roche vs Iorveth. There is no sane reason to pick Iorveth from an IC point of view, considering he already tried to have you killed once and helped Letho.

 

Larger bestiary?

 

It has like 5 creatures every arc. 

 

You mean linear.

 

Not saying DA2 is better than TW2, because it's not.

 

But TW2 isn't the king of RPGs either.

 

DAO is much better as a pure RPG.

 

The Witcher is far from generic and i don't know where do you get the idea that the only important choice is Roche vs Iorveth.

That's the only choice where game gets changed in terms of different location, storyline and characters. What about:

- sparing/ killing Henselt or Stennis

- will you help Roche/Iorveth or will you save Triss from Nilfgaard camp

- sparing, killing or lifting the curse from the dragon

- fate of Letho...

All these choices are important and they actually effect the next chapters and the endings.

 

I agree TW2 isn't perfect, but calling it linear is BS, in fact Inquisition will have the same exploration like TW2.

Huge areas to explore, but not open world like TW3 will.

[Pateu]

The Witcher is far from generic

 

Trolls, harpies, elves, dwarves, dragons, sorcerers.

 

 

 

That's the only choice where game gets changed in terms of different location, storyline and characters.

 

That's the only one that matters.

 

 

 

- sparing/ killing Henselt or Stennis

- will you help Roche/Iorveth or will you save Triss from Nilfgaard camp

- sparing, killing or lifting the curse from the dragon

- fate of Letho...

 

None of those impact the game and from what I've seen of TW3 none of those impact that either.

 

They're just illusions of choice, when in truth you choose between the red apple or the green apple.

 

 

 

they actually effect the next chapters

 

How, exactly? The only one that does is the Roche/Iorveth one.

 

 

 

Getting rid of Roche and being able to move freely to track down Letho is a great reason to side with Iorveth.

 

Roche is the reason you escaped in the first place and now you're ditching him for some edgy elf that wants to kill humans and bang a dragon.

 

I agree TW2 isn't perfect, but calling it linear is BS

 

No it's not. You can't go back to Flotsam once Act 1 is over.

[In Exile]

Roche is the reason you escaped in the first place and now you're ditching him for some edgy elf that wants to kill humans and bang a dragon.

 

Roche is an exile with a vendetta. He freed you because he wanted to use you. If he didn't, then Triss would have found a way to do the same. She was with Roche, after all. 

[Mr.House]

I want the version of TW2 Pateu played. Sounds edgy.

[spirosz]

much better as a pure RPG.

 

What is a pure RPG?

 

Do you even know how to answer that? 

[spirosz]

None of those impact the game and from what I've seen of TW3 none of those impact that either.

 

 

So you've played TW3?  Interesting.  And choices don't always have to an imediate impact, nor do they have to be drastic.

 

Anyway - this whole argument is pointless, I love both series, one more than the other and both do things different, for worse or better.  

[Blooddrunk1004]

Trolls, harpies, elves, dwarves, dragons, sorcerers.

 

No it's not. You can't go back to Flotsam once Act 1 is over.

By those standards every book, movie and game is generic. You might as well call Tolkien and all slavic & western fantasy novels generic.

 

"You can't go back Flotsam" are you even trying?

Ok... you can't go back to Lothering in Origins and you also can't return on Mars in ME3. Fair enough?

[Allan Schumacher]

Lets not turn this into a DAI vs Witcher 3 pissing match please.