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There are new videos from the Gi coverage. In one of them, The Story of TW3" the devs pretty much confirmed the presence of Roche and Iorveth, plus talking a bit about the relationship between Geralt and Triss.

http://www.gameinfor...-wild-hunt.aspx
http://www.gameinfor...-wild-hunt.aspx

For the info about Iorveth, Roche and Triss, check the second one, go at the end of the video, and choose "The sotry of the witcher 3" from the videos choice.


Thanks for the second link.

"There are no more Scoia'tael, and Iorveth isn't the man he was." :o Woah, what are they going to do with my favourite guerilla elf?

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So instead of adding to their strengths CDPR is trying to make a Skyrim clone. I don't like this one bit.

LOL

Ok, I suppose I understand why  nowadays any time a developer says "Our game will be an open world", people immediately  equate this with: "oh no!  they're trying to make a Skyrim clone!".   But it wasn't too long ago when  "open world" simply meant that the game's playground was big with lots of places to explore and lots more to do. 

Though I'm still confused why such a thing somehow means that the storyline will suffer.  It doesn't mean any such thing.  Would Witcher 2's Act II been any less awesome if Geralt  had 10 or 15 more map spaces to explore?  Or if it had more dungeons, monsters and mini-questlines?  Would Act 1's brilliant plot fork been impossible to implement had Geralt been given the chance to, you know, actually leave  the Flotsom metropolitan area  for a while and go exploring?

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Hmm...

I like what I'm hearing... but at the same time. I'm not. As I've said before I've always seen Geralt as a person we can mold to our liking. He's essentially a Warhammer piece, without the paint. From what the Enigmatic G is saying, it seems they've been doing their little bit of colouring... is it too much? I'm not sure. My idea of an RPG doesn't fit well from what I'm hearing.

As for the narrative in general? Well, as long as it has potential for Radovid to go all Tywin Lannister on the Nilfgaardians I'm more than happy to watch. But the story sounds great :-)

I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.

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simfamSP wrote...

I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.

It could somehow be tied-in with that prophecy on Ciri's son/grandson.

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What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.

Wouldn't it be funny if the Witcher 3 storyline was a subversion of that?

At first, all people of the Northern Kingdoms stand united with Geralt, then slowly troops get demoralized, countries bicker over battle locations and sharing resources, start throwing each other under the bus, dwarves and elves flee deep into Nilfgaard, with just Geralt, Ciri and a few chosen NPCs fighting against enough Wild Hunt to fill a football field

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simfamSP wrote...

What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.

Wouldn't it be funny if the Witcher 3 storyline was a subversion of that?

At first, all people of the Northern Kingdoms stand united with Geralt, then slowly troops get demoralized, countries bicker over battle locations and sharing resources, start throwing each other under the bus, dwarves and elves flee deep into Nilfgaard, with just Geralt, Ciri and a few chosen NPCs fighting against enough Wild Hunt to fill a football field


The concept is great, but there are some problems with that.

First, the North is already in turmoil, and according to Witcher politics, there is nothing in this world that would make the Northern Kingdoms unite under a Witcher's banner. Witchers are outcasts, monsters in their own right. Mutants who are only convenient when there are jobs to be done.If anything, it's Radovid that can hold that Kingdom together, but even then there's also other factions and countires in the North that would prefer Henselt.as leader. But I wouldn't see both of them opposing to an alliance and trying to rule behind the scenes, especially with Nilfgaard at their doorstep. That is, of course, if Henselt is indeed alive and kicking.

Also, If that were to happen then Geralt becomes Hawke in some ways. If he can do nothing to stop the inner-conflict, his entire character falls to shambles. We've seen he's a capable man, an intelligent man, a strong man. If the North marches under his banner, but then deteriorates, then those qualities are superficial at best. Still, it's known he's not leader of men, no patriarch or king. He's a Witcher, and that's all he'll ever be.

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simfamSP wrote...
I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.


I already have a very nauseated opinion over the Wild Hunt's "threat to humanity" scenario, and it possibly overshadowing the Northern conflict makes me grow even more volatile.

The idea of the Northern kingdoms uniting with the Nilfgaardians is an idea that makes we want to puke. The only purpose I'd want the Wild Hunt to serve is for a personal struggle for Geralt, and not with the whole world involved.

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simfamSP wrote...
I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.


I already have a very nauseated opinion over the Wild Hunt's "threat to humanity" scenario, and it possibly overshadowing the Northern conflict makes me grow even more volatile.

The idea of the Northern kingdoms uniting with the Nilfgaardians is an idea that makes we want to puke. The only purpose I'd want the Wild Hunt to serve is for a personal struggle for Geralt, and not with the whole world involved.


From the interview, I think it's both. Whilst the world does its thing, Geralt does his.

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simfamSP wrote...

I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.

It could somehow be tied-in with that prophecy on Ciri's son/grandson.


In canon it didn´t happen. And besides getting slaves, the WH just doesn´t seem to have the numbers to threaten anything bigger than a city. They are probably after Ciri and used Geralt & Yenn to bring her out. Hope I can hand them to Emhyr, I don´t think he would be pleased with them either.

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The Hierophant wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.

It could somehow be tied-in with that prophecy on Ciri's son/grandson.


In canon it didn´t happen. And besides getting slaves, the WH just doesn´t seem to have the numbers to threaten anything bigger than a city. They are probably after Ciri and used Geralt & Yenn to bring her out. Hope I can hand them to Emhyr, I don´t think he would be pleased with them either.


By the way, thank you for not posting Witcher book spoilers. I'm still a Blood and Last Wish noob :-)

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Chewin3 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...
I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.


The idea of the Northern kingdoms uniting with the Nilfgaardians is an idea that makes we want to puke. The only purpose I'd want the Wild Hunt to serve is for a personal struggle for Geralt, and not with the whole world involved.


Why so pessimistic? TW history states it has happened during the previous Nilfgaardian invasion as well. It's not that unbelievable and it doesn't have to be the same as the romantic ME3/DAO picture of everybody fighting together as equals. Depending on how many Northern kings are still alive (on Roche's path yout can get rid of Stannis and Henselt), Radovid could perhaps force the nobles to support him so that Nilfgaard can be stopped. 

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Chewin3 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...
I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.


The idea of the Northern kingdoms uniting with the Nilfgaardians is an idea that makes we want to puke. The only purpose I'd want the Wild Hunt to serve is for a personal struggle for Geralt, and not with the whole world involved.


Why so pessimistic? TW history states it has happened during the previous Nilfgaardian invasion as well. It's not that unbelievable and it doesn't have to be the same as the romantic ME3/DAO picture of everybody fighting together as equals. Depending on how many Northern kings are still alive (on Roche's path yout can get rid of Stannis and Henselt), Radovid could perhaps force the nobles to support him so that Nilfgaard can be stopped. 


Chewin didn't say that, he said if the North united with Nilfgaard ^_^ against this 'threat to humanity' as the brothers were talking about :-)

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 Ah, I'm sorry then. I guess I need reading lessons.:blink:

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 Ah, I'm sorry then. I guess I need reading lessons.:blink:


Heheh, nah. Everyone skim reads posts from time to time, or misreads something :lol:

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:lol:

By the way, in the second link that hhh89 posted (well, the video you could get to as he described) the devs talked about Triss and mentioned that mages are pretty much a hunted species in TW3. That could mean that the endings will indeed converge quite a bit. 

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:lol:

By the way, in the second link that hhh89 posted (well, the video you could get to as he described) the devs talked about Triss and mentioned that mages are pretty much a hunted species in TW3. That could mean that the endings will indeed converge quite a bit. 


Indeed, they've seen to canonize a few things; or they'll figure out some way to turn it around. I understand the North will always be in turmoil, but the whole point was to leave a stronger or weaker North, no? There is just sounds that it's ****ed either way.

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simfamSP wrote...
I'm betting this 'threat to humanity' is the Wild Hunt in force. Aren't they supposed to be inter-dimension elves? I'm sure they could come all 'King of the Dead' and attack whilst the world is in turmoil. What I really hope I don't see is unification. As much as it's a sensible idea for people to unite versus a common foe, it's been done to death and mastered by our good old BioWare. A new way of dealing with ancient enemies needs to be presented.


I already have a very nauseated opinion over the Wild Hunt's "threat to humanity" scenario, and it possibly overshadowing the Northern conflict makes me grow even more volatile.

The idea of the Northern kingdoms uniting with the Nilfgaardians is an idea that makes we want to puke
. The only purpose I'd want the Wild Hunt to serve is for a personal struggle for Geralt, and not with the whole world involved.


+1

I play Witcher games to get away from the cliche Biowarian "let's all unite against the big bad evil and be friends!" plot.

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The Wild Hunt has while been a threat, a very isolated threat, hell the only reason Yen and Geralt got involved in the Wild Hunt was because of their connection to Ciri. They never got involve in the wild hunt to stop it or save others, even Geralts journey to chase the wild hunt was to save Yen. So yes, it should stay as a personal story for Geralt.

The Wild Hunt will most likely happen as the game goes on to build up to the final quest(because we know it's going to happen) as you travel to villages and learn that people have been taken, even get contacted by the King of the Wild hunt, but I expect the wild hunt and stopping it will be between Geralt, Yen, Ciri and The King himself, not the world helping Geralt. So yes, like Seboist I will be very disappointed if the writers make the point of the game focused on ending the war between the Northern Kingdom and Nilfgaard so they can team up to help Geralt. Because not only is that cliche, it does not fit the lore. Now I would expect if Nilfgaard decided to help Geralt because they do have an intrest in the wild hunt and more so in Geralt because of his past with it and it's king which is ifne as it fits the lore and does encouraget he player to look past their petty hatred and look at Nilfgaard diffrently but other major factions? No thank you, this is no Bioware game.

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Could you imagine...spend entire game recruiting for the war effort against the Wild Hunt. Kingdoms, people...bringing them all together....for a final battle.

Lol. Wouldn't that be super, super cool, guys?

:P

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sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Could you imagine...spend entire game recruiting for the war effort against the Wild Hunt. Kingdoms, people...bringing them all together....for a final battle.

Lol. Wouldn't that be super, super cool, guys?

:P

:mellow: If I want to play a game where I recruit armies to fight a very old ancient evil, I'll just play DAO.

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Could you imagine...spend entire game recruiting for the war effort against the Wild Hunt. Kingdoms, people...bringing them all together....for a final battle.

Lol. Wouldn't that be super, super cool, guys?

:P


Wouldn't it be more awesome if there's also a GREAT TWIST where Emperor Emhyr turns out to be possessed by the Wild Hunt and there's dialogue options to talk-jutsu him into commiting suicide?

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sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Could you imagine...spend entire game recruiting for the war effort against the Wild Hunt. Kingdoms, people...bringing them all together....for a final battle.

Lol. Wouldn't that be super, super cool, guys?

:P


Wouldn't it be more awesome if there's also a GREAT TWIST where Emperor Emhyr turns out to be possessed by the Wild Hunt and there's dialogue options to talk-jutsu him into commiting suicide?

Oh you guys.:lol:

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Though I'm still confused why such a thing somehow means that the storyline will suffer.  It doesn't mean any such thing.  


As far as i'm concerned it does. Never has an open world game had a well paced, well told story. There is no precedent for it. If TW3 shows that you can have both, then i will be presently surprised.

But as it stands, i'm expecting TW3 to have a weaker story with a weaker choice and consequence system.

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Though I'm still confused why such a thing somehow means that the storyline will suffer.  It doesn't mean any such thing.  


As far as i'm concerned it does. Never has an open world game had a well paced, well told story. There is no precedent for it. If TW3 shows that you can have both, then i will be presently surprised.
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Fallout: New Vegas, Daggerfall, Morrowind and RDR. They had a good main story that was paced well and was good. There was also a good presentation of cohices and impacts on the world.