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[The Elder King]

To clarify what the video said, Geralt and Triss went their own ways, but the dev clarified that they didn't "break it off" and that there's a bond that can't be ignored. If the video implied something, is that there'll be a choice between Triss and Yen (which I want), and that CDPR might canonize the relationship between Triss and Geralt at the start of the game (which I don't want).

Modifié par hhh89, 16 février 2013 - 11:35 .

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Well said about Yenn being a relic needing closure, Simfan.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

I can't wait to hunt me some monsters. And plough some lillies.

[Mr.House]

Triss has lied many times to Geralt in the games and Geralt has even been able to confront her on the lies. Hell oyu can outright tell her you don't believe she is innocent when oyu free her in chapter 3.

[The Elder King]

Mr.House wrote...

Triss has lied many times to Geralt in the games and Geralt has even been able to confront her on the lies. Hell oyu can outright tell her you don't believe she is innocent when oyu free her in chapter 3.

Which post are you adressing?

[Addai]

hhh89 wrote...

To clarify what the video said, Geralt and Triss went their own ways, but the dev clarified that they didn't "break it off" and that there's a bond that can't be ignored. If the video implied something, is that there'll be a choice between the Triss and Yen (which I want), and that CDPR might canonize the relationship between Triss and Geralt at the start of the game (which I don't want).

Heh, I love how the Triss haters immediately jumped on that quote as if they were saying Geralt broke off with her.  The two of them have always had their own lives and sometimes part to pursue their own things.  I highly doubt CDPR is going to force Yennefer on us.  I didn't like her in The Last Wish and that would really make me dislike her.

[Cyberfrog81]

Geralt likes Triss, at the very least in bed. That can change, but until it does... I'm tempted to write "deal with it".

Yennefer may be pretty awesome, but I still want the option to reject her. As long as it makes sense in the story, of course.

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...

Bethesda and Obsidian get dissected  a bit... 

http://www.gameinfor...-wild-hunt.aspx

Just realized what you the video was! Copied the bullet points from NeoGaf

• - After making RED Engine they knew it was possible to re-write the code for streaming an open world game.
• - Were happy with The Witcher 2, but missed the sense of freedom, size of locations, and the fresh breath of being able to run away from the story and take on other tasks.
• - During production of The Witcher 2 they tossed around the idea of implementing a horse, as they felt they could do it, but the level sizes would not accommodate the mechanisms of riding a horse very well. Fans had been asking for a horse as Geralt rides a horse in the books, so they wanted to put it in the third game.
• - "Everyone in this studio plays Skyrim" - team is a fan of open world games.
• - Lessons learned from Skyrim: you need to care about immersion in the game.
• - "Skyrim was generic". Disliked the way Skyrim handled quests, where NPCs would never really acknowledge what you accomplished or did. You'd have a generic set of quests and that's it. The team feels that quests should be unique and NPCs should acknowledge the things you've done for them.
• - Felt this is where The Witcher 2 succeeded: choice and consequence. You got to see how your quest choices impacted the lives of NPCs, and you can speak to them about it, whether they're angry or happy.
• - "(Skyrim) didn't have very good characters". Tried to remember and name five different characters from the game and couldn't.
• - Thought exploring in Skyrim was great, but the story and characters were generic. So they want to learn from Skyrim how to best make an "open world". Make sure they have huge vistas, but plenty of adventures and stuff to do.
• - Feel if they combine this with their knowledge of RPGs, they can make the "perfect RPG".
• - Vistas are important. Notes the sensation of leaving the first dungeon in Skyrim and seeing the mountains and towns in the distance, delivering a feeling of a huge world to explore. Vistas need to deliver the feeling that you can explore things in the distance.
• - Acknowledges the challenge of blending a cinematic experience and cutscenes with freedom of adventuring, not making boundaries. Always an issue with story driven games.
• - Notes Fallout: New Vegas: thought it had a really good story and open world without too many cutscenes, but felt something was missing. Thought it might be caused by the tools, or something else, but whatever it was it shows that it's a big challenge to blend the two.
• - Happy with the pacing of The Witcher 2, and want to combine that with an open world.
• - Want to change the way you approach questing in The Witcher 3. In The Witcher 2 you're given a marking on your map, and you go there. In The Witcher 3 they want to lure the player with "interest points", where there's always something interesting.
• - Want to reward players for exploring the world.
• - Notes Assassin's Creed III: felt there was always something to do in the main quest, but trying to hunt down side quests always lead to generic stuff, and that hurt the immersion of the world.
• - Making Cyberpunk as well as this open world game: not a coincidence.
• - Hoping this will give them experience with open world games they can build on for future titles.

Modifié par Skelter192, 16 février 2013 - 02:29 .

[Mr.House]

I wonder if Geralt is going to use the same name for his new horse that he uses for all his horses in TW3?

Unless it's going to be the same horse he had in TW which would already be called Roach.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Gotta feel sorry for Bethesda. Their ass hasn't had a rest lately from all the whooping it's been getting from developers who have been creating better open world RPG's than them.

Two Worlds II.
Dark Souls.
Dragon's Dogma.

And now The Witcher 3.

[Kris69]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Gotta feel sorry for Bethesda. Their ass hasn't had a rest lately from all the whooping it's been getting from developers who have been creating better open world RPG's than them.

Two Worlds II.
Dark Souls.
Dragon's Dogma.

And now The Witcher 3.

Is it just me or was that a sarcasm?

[HoonDing]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Gotta feel sorry for Bethesda. Their ass hasn't had a rest lately from all the whooping it's been getting from developers who have been creating better open world RPG's than them.

Two Worlds II.
Dark Souls.
Dragon's Dogma.

And now The Witcher 3.

Meanwhile, at Bethesda Game Studios:

[Yrkoon]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Gotta feel sorry for Bethesda. Their ass hasn't had a rest lately from all the whooping it's been getting from developers who have been creating better open world RPG's than them.

Two Worlds II.
Dark Souls.
Dragon's Dogma.

And now The Witcher 3.

Er... the fact that ALL of Bethesda's Peers are even *discussing* skyrim  (No, check that.  They're  more than just discussing, they're friggin  changing the natures of their own  upcoming sequels to try and stay relevant) is NOT a *whooping*,  or a "bash" or a "dig".   It's the exact opposite.  It's the highest praise to be had in  a capitalist system.  It's physical proof that Skyrim has set the industry standard  - it has become the game to  compete with and try to beat.

If you hated Skyrim and everything it did, you should be absolutely disgusted at what's going on here.  Because  now we have companies like CDProjekt and Bioware actually turning their backs  (willingly or unwillingly) on their own  formulas to try and encorporate elements  contained in Skyrim.

Me, I couldn't be more happy.  A skyrim type game with  a Witcher type narrative and story depth  = the best kind of game  that can ever be made.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 16 février 2013 - 09:43 .

[slimgrin]

They were simply candid about the games they listed in that video and made good observations on all three. It sounds less like copying Skyrim and more like fitting their branching story structure, cinematics and grey morality into an open world setting. Which is good. While I like Beth games, I don't want a Skyrim clone.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 février 2013 - 09:46 .

[Mr.House]

I say this, a game with Skyrims exploration and Tws writing and making the towns and icties be liave=one hell of an amazing game. Skyrim was a beautiful game but the areas hardly felt alive for many reasons ala Solitude the capital of Skyrim yet it's the size of Old Vizima...

[LPPrince]

Yrkoon wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Gotta feel sorry for Bethesda. Their ass hasn't had a rest lately from all the whooping it's been getting from developers who have been creating better open world RPG's than them.

Two Worlds II.
Dark Souls.
Dragon's Dogma.

And now The Witcher 3.

Er... the fact that ALL of Bethesda's Peers are even *discussing* skyrim  (No, check that.  They're  more than just discussing, they're friggin  changing the natures of their own  upcoming sequels to try and stay relevant) is NOT a *whooping*,  or a "bash" or a "dig".   It's the exact opposite.  It's the highest praise to be had in  a capitalist system.  It's physical proof that Skyrim has set the industry standard  - it has become the game to  compete with and try to beat.

If you hated Skyrim and everything it did, you should be absolutely disgusted at what's going on here.  Because  now we have companies like CDProjekt and Bioware actually turning their backs  (willingly or unwillingly) on their own  formulas to try and encorporate elements  contained in Skyrim.

Me, I couldn't be more happy.  A skyrim type game with  a Witcher type narrative and story depth  = the best kind of game  that can ever be made.

Barring the last sentence which is opinion(though hey, I might agree with it), all of that. Yes.

Skyrim did a hell of a lot of good for RPGs, and I'm glad to see developers looking to it for inspiration.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Dark Souls is open world, but not a sandbox.

Dark Souls and Skyrim are top 5 all-timers for me.

[Savber100]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Gotta feel sorry for Bethesda. Their ass hasn't had a rest lately from all the whooping it's been getting from developers who have been creating better open world RPG's than them.

Two Worlds II.
Dark Souls.
Dragon's Dogma.

And now The Witcher 3.

And this is why fans in general shouldn't make the calls in quality games... 

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

I wonder if they'll keep the TRAINING, SWORDSMANSHIP, ALCHEMY and MAGIC paths for skill progression. My Geralt was a pretty even balance of all three, plus a few double picks in the Training path on Vigor Regen, Vitality and Vitality Regen. I utilized potions and the alchemy system a good bit, although I didn't like end progression in the Alchemy path.

I hope they keep a similar, but expanded, method. Maybe more rarity, but potency, to mutagens. For mutation and alchemy.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 17 février 2013 - 07:12 .

[Chashan]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Well said about Yenn being a relic needing closure, Simfan.

A relic that could, potentially, be put to good use plot-wise, however; if the good Emhyr or one of his subordinates would take advantage of Geralt's attachment to her, offer reunification with her in exchange for services rendered to the Empire...hrm...

Of course, from the sounds of it, I reckon it may just be the, or at least one of several choices Gerry pursues strictly as a personal goal rather than lining up with any grander political entity, judging by that one interview with the developers. Regardless, I certainly hope WH will offer alternative routes to opposing the Nilfgaardians through and through. After the show put forth by Henselt and Radovid, as well as the rise of nonhuman- and witch-hunts in the north, I do not exactly have too much sympathy for the Northerners anymore...excepting the political experiment by Saessenith and the Scoia'tael - who appear to now be part of said experiment, instead of being a distinct entity -, but little else beyond that.

Modifié par Chashan, 17 février 2013 - 10:16 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Yrkoon wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Gotta feel sorry for Bethesda. Their ass hasn't had a rest lately from all the whooping it's been getting from developers who have been creating better open world RPG's than them.

Two Worlds II.
Dark Souls.
Dragon's Dogma.

And now The Witcher 3.

 It's physical proof that Skyrim has set the industry standard  - it has become the game to  compete with and try to beat.

That shouldn't be bloody hard. Copy Skyrim's vistas and hire a 1st year college english major, and you have successfully beaten Skyrim.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 17 février 2013 - 01:41 .

[slimgrin]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

I wonder if they'll keep the TRAINING, SWORDSMANSHIP, ALCHEMY and MAGIC paths for skill progression. My Geralt was a pretty even balance of all three, plus a few double picks in the Training path on Vigor Regen, Vitality and Vitality Regen. I utilized potions and the alchemy system a good bit, although I didn't like end progression in the Alchemy path.

I hope they keep a similar, but expanded, method. Maybe more rarity, but potency, to mutagens. For mutation and alchemy.

I don't know about the training path ( I personally think it should go away), but magic and swordsman are still there as well as a new mutagen tree, which sounds cool.

[Seboist]

slimgrin wrote...

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

I wonder if they'll keep the TRAINING, SWORDSMANSHIP, ALCHEMY and MAGIC paths for skill progression. My Geralt was a pretty even balance of all three, plus a few double picks in the Training path on Vigor Regen, Vitality and Vitality Regen. I utilized potions and the alchemy system a good bit, although I didn't like end progression in the Alchemy path.

I hope they keep a similar, but expanded, method. Maybe more rarity, but potency, to mutagens. For mutation and alchemy.

I don't know about the training path ( I personally think it should go away), but magic and swordsman are still there as well as a new mutagen tree, which sounds cool.

+1