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[KnightofPhoenix]

Henselt is not Radovid. The trial's outcome was already decided and with the evidence Shilard is presenting, there's no way she could have wiggled herself out of it.

Of course the problem is that Radovid didn't anticipate Iorveth coming.

[Mr.House]

So I wonder does Iorveth still free her in Roches path or was she never caught in Roches path?

Modifié par Mr.House, 19 février 2013 - 11:48 .

[LPPrince]

Skelter192 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Well, the last new copy of The Witcher 2 that my Gamestop had was sold like 40 minutes before I got there, and my friend who works there refused to sell me the only other copy they had because it was used and looked horrid(he's like me, games gotta be new and pristine).

So I'm off to Amazon.com to nab a new Witcher 2 copy I'll get eventually.

So I guess its Crysis 1 today.

Your first time. I'm jealous.

Don't like downloading games? Only $20 on GOG/Steam. Well you'll at least like the packaging CDPR put alot of crap in the box.

Turns out I'll be saving TW2 for later, started Crysis today, C3 when I'm done with that, and after all that I'll have TW2 with no distractions.

Modifié par LPPrince, 19 février 2013 - 11:50 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Mr.House wrote...

So I wonder does Iorveth still free her in Roches path or was she never caught in Roches path?

He frees her.
RAdovid says that he delt with Philippa on Roche's path, so I think it's a safe assumption that he caught her. 

[Mr.House]

Just finished my recent pt of TW2, forgot how epic Of His Blood and Bone right to the outro was. Love the music when Roche and Geralt storm the camp.

Hopefully TW3 has just as an epic climax and final confrontation

Modifié par Mr.House, 20 février 2013 - 01:00 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Executing her right there would been a foolish move, yet he couldn't just let her get away with her defiance in front of bloody shillard.

It's like trembling in front of a pack of very hungry wolves. They will jump on you at the first sign of weakness.

I didn't mean he should execute her right there.

Justify it all you want- plucking out the eyes of a defenseless woman is cruel and the hallmark of a tyrant.  Like those men didn't know she was already going to die?  It's rather childish, too.  I think it comes down to mommy issues.

[Mr.House]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Executing her right there would been a foolish move, yet he couldn't just let her get away with her defiance in front of bloody shillard.

It's like trembling in front of a pack of very hungry wolves. They will jump on you at the first sign of weakness.

I didn't mean he should execute her right there.

Justify it all you want- plucking out the eyes of a defenseless woman is cruel and the hallmark of a tyrant.  Like those men didn't know she was already going to die?  It's rather childish, too.  I think it comes down to mommy issues.

No, Phillipa is a traitor who refused to admit her crimes to her king. Radovid could have done far worse then plunking her eyes out, which Phillipa can easly replace later.

[Costin_Razvan]

Justify it all you want- plucking out the eyes of a defenseless woman is cruel

So in your mind allowing Roche to murder the unarmed Henselt in cold blood is cruel too? Perhaps so is Stennis's death at the hands of the lynch mob.

As for tyrants, they are people who only care about themselves, abuse their power and not give a damn about their people, Radovid is none of these. Torture was accepted in those times, hell it is even today.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 février 2013 - 01:21 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
 It's rather childish, too.  I think it comes down to mommy issues.

Yea, let's take one of the most significant and symbolic political rivalry, and reduce it to mommy issues. Because we all know that's what the Witcher is about. Over-simplifying political conflicts <_<

[Mr.House]

I hope in TW3, CDP does not throw away the bromance that developed in TW2.
http://cloud-2.steam...EFB9179DF8DB1F/

[slimgrin]

I think it was a 'I refuse to be Phillipa's little b*tch' issue.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 février 2013 - 04:48 .

[Seboist]

Radovid should have done to her what Roche could do to Dethmold in act 3.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
 It's rather childish, too.  I think it comes down to mommy issues.

Yea, let's take one of the most significant and symbolic political rivalry, and reduce it to mommy issues. Because we all know that's what the Witcher is about. Over-simplifying political conflicts <_<

These are human beings.  Radovid is allowed to have faults.  Philippa hurt him, she embarrassed him, so he made her suffer.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 février 2013 - 04:59 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Justify it all you want- plucking out the eyes of a defenseless woman is cruel

So in your mind allowing Roche to murder the unarmed Henselt in cold blood is cruel too? Perhaps so is Stennis's death at the hands of the lynch mob.

As for tyrants, they are people who only care about themselves, abuse their power and not give a damn about their people, Radovid is none of these. Torture was accepted in those times, hell it is even today.

Well I for one allowed neither.

Tyrants are cruel and arbitrary, that's what he was in that moment at least.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

Radovid should have done to her what Roche could do to Dethmold in act 3.

Definitely. Phillipa's nads on a platter would have been great to see; and totally possible.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
 It's rather childish, too.  I think it comes down to mommy issues.

Yea, let's take one of the most significant and symbolic political rivalry, and reduce it to mommy issues. Because we all know that's what the Witcher is about. Over-simplifying political conflicts <_<

These are human beings.  Radovid is allowed to have faults.  Philippa hurt him, she embarrassed him, so he made her suffer.

I never denied that they are human beings with faults. But unlike you, I don't over-simplify an issue mired with political implications nor do I over-simplify motivations. 

Revenge was a part of his rationale, but it was not all of it. And I do not consider what he did then to be a fault. 

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

One of my favorite faces ever was when Geralt walked in on Phillipa going masochist on her *cough* apprentice...who happened to be half naked. It was a look of not really surprise, pretty much knowing from talking to dwarves and other rumors that she was homosexual, but admiration at the violence she enjoys in her sexual foreplay. I think it gave Geralt a stiffy.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I never denied that they are human beings with faults. But unlike you, I don't over-simplify an issue mired with political implications nor do I over-simplify motivations. 

Revenge was a part of his rationale, but it was not all of it. And I do not consider what he did then to be a fault. 

Suit yourself.  It's hardly worth arguing over.  Although I don't know how one can deny it was cruel.

[Yrkoon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I never denied that they are human beings with faults. But unlike you, I don't over-simplify an issue mired with political implications nor do I over-simplify motivations. 

Revenge was a part of his rationale, but it was not all of it. And I do not consider what he did then to be a fault. 

Revenge and  very  personal pride was ALL that scene was about.   if there were any political implications behind Radovid's  actions, they certainly weren't on his mind at that moment.  There was nothing  even remotely political  behind his words or actions in that scene.  For god sakes, he went on an extended rant about how he had to answer to her when he was a little kid, and how  insignificant  she made him *feel*  when he was growing up (!).  The player got the definite sense that here was a powerful man, sick and tired of being in the shadows, and so he was going to take it out on someone who  tormented him his entire life.    And that's not politics. 

You can try and derive some significant political motivation  behind his words and actions in that scene though, but you'd be speculating on something  that literally isn't there..

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 février 2013 - 07:03 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Because There was nothing even remotely political behind his words and actions in that scene. For god sakes, Radovid went on a rant about how he had to answer to her when he was a little kid, and how insignificant she made him *feel* when he was growing up (!).

Did you miss this guy standing right next to Radovid?



There's a reason behind that, a clear message sent to Nilfgaard and everyone else: Don't **** with me. To say politics don't enter into the discussion there is a lot of horse****.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 février 2013 - 07:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yrkoon wrote...

Revenge and  very  personal pride was ALL it was about in that scene between Radovid and Phillipa in the prison.  

To someone who does not see behind the lines perhaps. 

All that he mentionned could have been taken straight from Hobbes' Leviathan. Aka everything he is doing is to establish himself as the sole Leviathan of Redania, and everything he accused Philippa of is an obstacle to said goal. Not being able to issue orders without her consent, being a laughing stock...etc, while all personal atttacks, are also very much political in nature as well. She is a rival to his power. 

Radovid's writer, Jan, has read our discussions on Radovid and told me he's glad people dig deep and truly grasp the politics of the game. So I will take his word over yours. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 février 2013 - 07:13 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Did you miss this guy standing right next to Radovid?

Nah it's much simpler to simplify everything to emotional outbursts and not think of domestic and itnernational politics....in a ****ing Witcher game. 

[Mr.House]

Who wrote Letho KoP? Because he deserves an award.