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[Addai]

Yrkoon wrote...
Revenge and  very  personal pride was ALL that scene was about.   if there were any political implications behind Radovid's  actions, they certainly weren't on his mind at that moment.  There was nothing  even remotely political  behind his words or actions in that scene.  For god sakes, he went on an extended rant about how he had to answer to her when he was a little kid, and how  insignificant  she made him *feel*  when he was growing up (!).  The player got the definite sense that here was a powerful man, sick and tired of being in the shadows, and so he was going to take it out on someone who  tormented him his entire life.    And that's not politics. 

You can try and derive some significant political motivation  behind his words and actions in that scene though, but you'd be speculating on something  that literally isn't there..

Oh, I think he probably wanted to send a message.  The same as all these kings.  I just see it as a little boy thing to do.  You **** with me and now you're going to suffer.  For Radovid and Philippa, there literally are mommy issues.  It's KoP who was insisting that my comment meant I saw no political motivation in the act, though my wording probably suggested that was how I saw it.

But good lord, I don't think it's worth the long discussion.  All these kings are the same.  They rule by dick measuring contests.  Henselt is the same when he tortures Sabrina Glevissig because she made him look bad in front of the other kings.  Killing her is justified, but the torture bit is malice.

[Costin_Razvan]

The same as all these kings. I just see it as a little boy thing to do. You **** with me and now you're going to suffer.

More like: You **** with me I'm going to destroy you and then have you at my mercy. I don't see it as childish however considering it's been done by countless politicians throughout our history.

What one can also read in the message he is giving Shilard is that he isn't some foolish child who you can slap around like Phillipa did. A clear warning to Nilfgaard to not understimate him.

Henselt is the same when he tortures Sabrina Glevissig because she made him look bad in front of the other kings.

Uhm do you mean that he burned her alive or what?

She is a witch, witches get burned alive. Kinda ineffective considering what she was able to do before her death but "shrug"

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 février 2013 - 04:15 .

[Addai]

Nailed her to a wheel, then burned her.

[KnightofPhoenix]

[quote]Yrkoon wrote...

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Well clearly you're not understanding anything. The humiliation will come at the trial. [/quote]
Wait...  how?[/quote]

You don't think the great Philippa Eilhart that once dominated Redania and the royal court being dragged to a trial in front of everyone who used to fear or admire her, publicaly accused of all her crimes, and then executed for the mob to see, humiliating? 

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So.... inflicting  some pain, while having a whiny temper tantrum (in front of  important witnesses no less)  = Stern?[/quote]

No, inflicting pain on someone who refused to admit guilt and continue to defy you = Stern. 

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Hahaha.  Forget politics.    Lets learn English first.  Find yourself a dictionary.[/quote]

[quote]Yrkoon wrote...
What can be a more solid message then  "If you cross me,  and I'll cend your existance?"[/quote]

Indeed. 

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No, I'm describing someone who  knows his   power, and isn't afraid to use it to get what he wants.[/quote]

You're describing the same idiot who thought it was a good idea to marry his sister and got shot down. 

You're describing a self-absorbed reckless child who's explicitly entitlted to privilege, who ****ed up more times than is good for him. Not a real politician on Radovid's caliber who understands what power is. 

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Me, I'd rather take someone who manipulates and bends the law and perception to his will.

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But Radovid is doing no such thing.
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He is. Since he already determined her sentence and the outcome of the trial, then it's not going to be a fair one. It's essentially a mock trial, to show how law abiding he is, and humiliate Philippa and destroy her image in the process. 

That's called bending the law and public perception to your will. 

Not to mention that a trial would give him further casus belli to repress the Lodge and Philippa's agents, and show himself to be the avenger of fallen kings and bane of traitorous mages throughout the North. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 février 2013 - 04:56 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai67 wrote...

Nailed her to a wheel, then burned her.

I'd hardly call that more then a regular execution, keeping in mind we are talking of the middle ages here.

Hanging Drawning and Quartering is worse then what Sabrina endured.

[Dutchess]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Nailed her to a wheel, then burned her.

I'd hardly call that more then a regular execution, keeping in mind we are talking of the middle ages here.

Hanging Drawning and Quartering is worse then what Sabrina endured.

Beheading would be the most merciful I suppose (assuming it's done right and in one blow of course), but I don't dare to say that hanging is worse than being burned alive. Being burned seems like the most excruciating way to go.

[Mr.House]

renjility wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Nailed her to a wheel, then burned her.

I'd hardly call that more then a regular execution, keeping in mind we are talking of the middle ages here.

Hanging Drawning and Quartering is worse then what Sabrina endured.

Beheading would be the most merciful I suppose (assuming it's done right and in one blow of course), but I don't dare to say that hanging is worse than being burned alive. Being burned seems like the most excruciating way to go.

She's a witch, she also betrayed her own country when she killed half of Henselts army because her goal was to not let Henselt win the battle, which he would have done if Sabrina did not get invovled. Being nailed to a wagon and burned alive is proper punishment for her crime.

[Addai]

Mr.House wrote...
She's a witch, she also betrayed her own country when she killed half of Henselts army because her goal was to not let Henselt win the battle, which he would have done if Sabrina did not get invovled. Being nailed to a wagon and burned alive is proper punishment for her crime.

Are you people really listening to yourselves?

Never mind.  /out

[Nerevar-as]

You are looking too much into Radovid vs Philippa. She had his father killed, he promised to get payback first time he got a chance. He did.

And here it was translated as the Cruel, no the Stern. Much more fitting.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 20 février 2013 - 07:33 .

[Nerevar-as]

EntropicAngel wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I don't think anyone has the right to say which form of horrible death is worse especially when it comes between burning to death or cut to pieces. They're both just... *shivers.*

I don't know about being cut up, but I do know someone who was burnt to death and just thinking about it is rather horrible.


We-ll, ignoring this raging argument that I don't quite understand...

Did anyone else here feel that The Witcher 1's plot was a bit disoriented? Not that it was bad, it's been pretty good. But it just feels like it jumps all over the place somewhat haphazardly.

I guess if you haven´t read the books Jacques´ identity can be seen as out of the left field, with only a bit of foreshadowing. If you had read them then you had an idea of what he could do.

If you mean the overall plot itself, no. I quite liked the main plot´s pacing and reveals among the different chapters, and how it all tied at the end.

[Mr.House]

In my first pt I will admit I was confused with something or missed certain things so when I did another pt it made much more sense and I really enjoyed how they pieced it all. CDp could have done a better job, and they did improve with TW2 by far, but both games have fantastic writing and the improvement CDP has shown over the course of the games is outstanding.

Modifié par Mr.House, 20 février 2013 - 08:59 .

[Mr.House]

Chocies made in TW2 should have a big impact in TW3. If you killed Henselt, then Kaedwen should be in chaos in-game. It should be a whole difference experience then a pt where Henselt is alive. That's just one of many examples. one of my big issues with TW2 was importing from TW really only changed some dialog and gave us a few cameos. It did not really matter if you sided with the order, Squirrels or stayed neutral. Zoltan still considered you a friend where in TW if you sided with the Order he hates you, if you went with Shani Triss hates you yet in TW2 this is forgotten ect.

So yes I hope CDP does a much better job with importing this time, because TW>TW2 importing makes Bioware look like the masters of importing choices.

Modifié par Mr.House, 20 février 2013 - 09:32 .

[Mr.House]

simfamSP wrote...

Of course, there should be, but will we actually *see* these things? Chaos in Kaedwen for example. Perhaps we'll see some refugees who'll tell us about it, but other than that, I don't think we'll see more than what we get in BioWare games.

If it's open world and we can explore parts of Kaedwen? You dam right there better be a diffrence if Henselt is alive or dead.

[Dutchess]

We'll see how well they handle the imports. In TW2 the effects weren't exactly spectacular, and they did retcon a character's death, albeit a not very prominent one (I stayed out of the De Wett - Thaler argument on my second run and thus Thaler was killed, yet his messenger appeared in Flotsam). Also in a recent interview one of the CDPR guys mentioned Triss and Geralt going their separate ways for a while because mages are more or less a hunted species in TW3. That suggests that whether you saved Triss or not, a witch hunt still gets started.

[Seboist]

simfamSP wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Of course, there should be, but will we actually *see* these things? Chaos in Kaedwen for example. Perhaps we'll see some refugees who'll tell us about it, but other than that, I don't think we'll see more than what we get in BioWare games.

If it's open world and we can explore parts of Kaedwen? You dam right there better be a diffrence if Henselt is alive or dead.

I thought it would be restricted to Skellige? At least, that's what it seems like.

No, it covers far more than that. They also mentioned the Redanian city of Novigrad.

[Mr.House]

If it only took place in Skellige I would rip my hair out.