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Chris was probably taken aback by Jan and friend's capabilities... Yeah i'm in denial at this point.slimgrin wrote...
The most they've said about CDPR is Chris Avelone's 'good cinematics' comment. That's all he could muster. Pretty weak for a supposedly epic game writer, even if his intent was to be a dick.
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Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 mars 2013 - 05:29 .
Sorry but not true:KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The Hierophant wrote...
Obsidian drinking the Haterade too or do you mean they get no love too?
Obsidian not recognizing CDPR.
The highest compliment they've given to the TW is "good cinematics."
Yea sorry but that's crap. Even if for some reason you thought the writing of TW2 was bad (and you'd be wrong. It not interesting you is another matter), no one can deny the effort they've put on making macro CnC that significant in a game. The least they can do is recognize this and praise it.
http://www.gamebansh...-interview.htmlPlease, enumerate five traits of a good RPG.
I could write a treatise on this, but for the short answer: Customization, at least one core advancement system, at least one tactical conflict system (normally, I would say "combat," but if we were doing a stealth-based Thief RPG, "stealth" would be the tactical conflict system), meaningful choices, and significant reactivity. There's many more (for example, I do feel narration and story are important, but not central to the experience).
What do you think about European-styled RPG's like The Witcher, Risen, Gothic, Two Worlds, Fable?
I think they're raising the bar, notably Witcher 2, which was a nice slap to say, "you can do better, you North American developers, and here's proof." Also, Witcher 1 pioneered a lot of great reactivity to your choices. Fable was good in the sense of open-world mechanics, easy multiplayer access, and providing a playground for players. For Two Worlds, there were certain mechanics that we herald as nice systems to incorporate or explore for future games (for example, collecting the same type of magical sword that allowed you to combine them to make them stronger rather than just selling it, a chronic problem most D&D titles have).
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Well sure there's that one interview but recently Obsidian has been brushing off comments about TW2. So it does feel they are trying very hard not to recognize it. In fact I am fairly certain both Bioware and Obsidian are doing this because TW2 smacked them very hard on a great deal levels: Reactivity, graphics and gameplay.
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
Avellone is not all of Obsidian you know.
Has Gaider said anything good about the Witcher or just talking about the sex cards in the first game?simfamSP wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Avellone is not all of Obsidian you know.
But neither is that one person (perhaps more) all of Obsidian. It works both ways. I think KOP is right here, BioWare and Obsidian represent a niche market, so they do their best to pretend CDPR aren't there xD
That interview with Chris was of a more personal nature I think. So he'd say things that aren't strictly business all the time, similar to Gaider's own blogs. I don't think any higher up in the company approved of his 'toxic forums' blog. That exploded all over the little corners of the internet that belong to that territory of gaming.
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HiroVoid wrote...
Has Gaider said anything good about the Witcher or just talking about the sex cards in the first game?simfamSP wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Avellone is not all of Obsidian you know.
But neither is that one person (perhaps more) all of Obsidian. It works both ways. I think KOP is right here, BioWare and Obsidian represent a niche market, so they do their best to pretend CDPR aren't there xD
That interview with Chris was of a more personal nature I think. So he'd say things that aren't strictly business all the time, similar to Gaider's own blogs. I don't think any higher up in the company approved of his 'toxic forums' blog. That exploded all over the little corners of the internet that belong to that territory of gaming.
Well, I agree it's one of those features that was certainly a good thing to take out though it doesn't bother me too much. I've only seen two scenes where it's particularly eregenious. I just dislike it when one company points to the faults of another while never pointing out a good point. One of the things I liked about CDPR's talk about Skyrim and how it compares to Witcher 3 was how they praised the many open-world aspects of Skyrim while still talking about the negatives story-wise while hoping to perform better in those areas.simfamSP wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Has Gaider said anything good about the Witcher or just talking about the sex cards in the first game?simfamSP wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Avellone is not all of Obsidian you know.
But neither is that one person (perhaps more) all of Obsidian. It works both ways. I think KOP is right here, BioWare and Obsidian represent a niche market, so they do their best to pretend CDPR aren't there xD
That interview with Chris was of a more personal nature I think. So he'd say things that aren't strictly business all the time, similar to Gaider's own blogs. I don't think any higher up in the company approved of his 'toxic forums' blog. That exploded all over the little corners of the internet that belong to that territory of gaming.
I read his blog a lot, but for all I can remember, he's only talked about sex cards. He was quite passive about it (probably trying to avoid an outburst from some of the more... passionate Witcher fans, even if they too, criticise that part of the game.)
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HiroVoid wrote...
Has Gaider said anything good about the Witcher or just talking about the sex cards in the first game?
Dave of Canada wrote...
Sex cards and insulting the portrayal of women in the Witcher universe.
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 mars 2013 - 05:34 .
slimgrin wrote...
I think he played TW1 and praised some aspects of it. But he's made it clear he doesn't like how the wimminz are portrayed. Which is fine, I'd rather devs say what they think instead of sugar coating opinions.
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I assume he most certainly criticized the sex cards, and for very good reason. But how did he present his argument? Was it in the manner of "lol TW is so mysognistic, don't try it" or trying to present it as the defining thing of the series? Or did he specify that it's only that aspect of the first game that he is criticizing?
See what I mean? In my position, people like to read into what I’ve said and then treat it as if I actually said those things… as if I’d said that BioWare was above criticism, or that the good folks of CD Projekt were sexist jerks and should go suck an egg for offending me so badly. Which I did not. I can only imagine what would happen if I ever posted a list of criticisms of a game like the Witcher, the sort that I might have for any game I play. Would people take that as just my thoughts? Would they see that I enjoyed the game despite those things? Or would it be seen as a condemnation, with every point that someone thought was done equally poorly in a BioWare game being massively unfair as I cannot be allowed to dislike something our games have also done (even if it was done differently), or— far worse— criticism from BioWare itself?
Gosh. Like another developer needs that added to their plate, in addition to the fan-wrangling they already contend with?
2) I dislike the idea of every character being sexually available to the player. Not that it cheapens them, necessarily, but it would lend itself towards their objectification. Take the first Witcher game, for instance— I enjoyed many things about that game, but the collectible sex card mechanic? Ultimately it rendered every female character in the game into a puzzle to be solved. What do I do to sleep with them? How do I get their card? Yes, you can ignore the mechanic (I certainly tried, even though I ended up sleeping with several characters purely by accident) but having the mechanic in the first place necessitates a difference in how they are approached, both from a writing and implementation standpoint. As soon as the player is aware it’s possible, you are in fact encouraging them towards a certain type of behavior. Even ignoring the awkwardness of doing that solely to female characters, doing it to all characters equally would still make them be viewed as potential romances and thus change how the player related to them.
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
I think he played TW1 and praised some aspects of it. But he's made it clear he doesn't like how the wimminz are portrayed. Which is fine, I'd rather devs say what they think instead of sugar coating opinions.
I'll agree with him, women in TW1 were not portrayed well at all. Most of them were a joke, including main LIs.
I just hope he doens't insinuate that TW2 is the same.
love how CDPR turned that aspect around entirely.
Yeah. I'm fine with that since it praises(though not specific features) at least parts of the Witcher while also pointing out something that bugged them out of the game. I suppose a similar example to Witcher 1 - Witcher 2 would be to say I disliked how in Persona 3, you can only get all of the female Social Links maxed by cheating on about 4-5 of them simultaneously, and they obviously changed that in Persona 4. In Persona 4: Golden, they even put in an event that should make you feel like crap if you're cheating on any of them.simfamSP wrote...
2) I dislike the idea of every character being sexually available to the player. Not that it cheapens them, necessarily, but it would lend itself towards their objectification. Take the first Witcher game, for instance— I enjoyed many things about that game, but the collectible sex card mechanic? Ultimately it rendered every female character in the game into a puzzle to be solved. What do I do to sleep with them? How do I get their card? Yes, you can ignore the mechanic (I certainly tried, even though I ended up sleeping with several characters purely by accident) but having the mechanic in the first place necessitates a difference in how they are approached, both from a writing and implementation standpoint. As soon as the player is aware it’s possible, you are in fact encouraging them towards a certain type of behavior. Even ignoring the awkwardness of doing that solely to female characters, doing it to all characters equally would still make them be viewed as potential romances and thus change how the player related to them.
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Thanks for the quote simfam, I found it to be fair. I expected DG to be more aggressive or insinuate something, but I was wrong
I just hope CDPR is up to the task of debugging. That is one heck of a lot of code, and lots of systems working together.
Modifié par simfamSP, 10 mars 2013 - 02:09 .
sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...
That article was a great read. I'm 100% certain our choices will have mega impact, and it won't be a lie like the one we were told in Mass Effect 3. I mean the Rachni were in my game and I killed them all in the first game, too. Just lack of effort and EA tight deadline demands. My last EA game.
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