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[Haplose]

Joy Divison wrote...

Haplose wrote...

I have to wonder though.... if there were deveopers who had such brilliant ideas and gameplay concepts... how come the game was shipped with rather poor, half-baked character development and combat systems?

This is spot on.  I don't think he was referring to the personalities and and development of the characters in the game, rather the development of the combat trees and overall combat presentation.

I don't think it is a good indicator if the player has to "get used to" a game's combat mechanics.  By "get used to" I don't mean "wow, this is hard, I've got to start thinking."  Rather it's "wow, this just feels awkward, it's dependent on specific mechanics and ideal timing, and I've seen railway schedules in foreign languages that are more comprehensible than the combat tree displays."  It's like the "acquired taste" theory...that saying just means you are eating drink/food that tastes like ass.

All great games have their flaws and for me this was it for The Witcher.

That's exactly what I meant. The vanilla Witcher 2 has a great story, great characters, great art direction and graphics... just poor mechanics (both of character development - in the meaning of the levelling system and of combat).

Thank you, Joy

[Cheylus]

Roche's path is the neutral path for me (or at least can be). When I choose Roche in Act I, I do it because he promises me his help to find the assassins of kings, which basically are the keys to my memory; he is trustworthy because he helped me escape the LV dungeon. However, by choosing Iorveth I have to sympathize with the nonhumans' fight; I don't know Iorveth yet; he doesn't trust me, me neither. I don't want to lose my time proving I am not against them.
Roche as a "neutral" companion looks pretty clear to me on Iorveth's path, when he helps you infiltrate the kaedweni camp regardless of your faction.

And Geralt isn't neutral in the books, he mostly pretends to be neutral.

[Dutchess]

Cheylus wrote...

Roche's path is the neutral path for me (or at least can be). When I choose Roche in Act I, I do it because he promises me his help to find the assassins of kings, which basically are the keys to my memory; he is trustworthy because he helped me escape the LV dungeon. However, by choosing Iorveth I have to sympathize with the nonhumans' fight; I don't know Iorveth yet; he doesn't trust me, me neither. I don't want to lose my time proving I am not against them.
Roche as a "neutral" companion looks pretty clear to me on Iorveth's path, when he helps you infiltrate the kaedweni camp regardless of your faction.

And Geralt isn't neutral in the books, he mostly pretends to be neutral.

You don't really need to be on the nonhumans' side though to choose Iorveth. Iorveth is the one who wants to go directly after Letho, and Letho has Triss. Roche wants Geralt to play assassin and help butcher Loredo. If you play a Geralt who really wants to find Triss (and Letho, to recover more of his memory), it is easy to justify going with Iorveth.

[fchopin]

Cheylus wrote...

Roche's path is the neutral path for me (or at least can be).

Same for me.
 
TW2 did have a great story with choices but i still want TW3 to have more neutral choices.
 
The game play also needs more work and that is about the only weaknesses TW2 has.

[Pedrak]

The game looks and sounds absolutely fantastic. Ironically, the only thing about the Witcher 3 I'm not particularly excited about is... the witcher himself.

I enjoyed both previous games (the first one more so), and Geralt is an ok protagonist... but I really don't care that much about him, or this Yenefer we've never met, or Temeria in general.

I would have preferred either a customizable character or, if they had to stick to a fixed protagonist, a new witcher with a new story, objective, friends, personality, etc.

[In Exile]

EntropicAngel wrote...
You literally just said the opposite, Exile: you said that siding with Roche is a "*beep* you" to Iorveth. That ain't neutral.

No, actually. I said that siding with Iorveth is telling Roche to **** himself, who freed you from a dungeon and expected you to run aroun and find his kingslayer. 

Getting out of someone's yoke to do your own thing is neutral. When you're leaving on that ship, there's no indication you're going to be siding with anyone on anything political. 

[Addai]

renjility wrote...

You don't really need to be on the nonhumans' side though to choose Iorveth. Iorveth is the one who wants to go directly after Letho, and Letho has Triss. Roche wants Geralt to play assassin and help butcher Loredo. If you play a Geralt who really wants to find Triss (and Letho, to recover more of his memory), it is easy to justify going with Iorveth.

Right.  I follow Iorveth because I'm going after Triss.

Modifié par Addai67, 23 juin 2013 - 06:56 .

[RobRam10]

I follow Iorverth because I fight for my friends!

[Gibb_Shepard]

Pedrak wrote...

The game looks and sounds absolutely fantastic. Ironically, the only thing about the Witcher 3 I'm not particularly excited about is... the witcher himself.

I enjoyed both previous games (the first one more so), and Geralt is an ok protagonist... but I really don't care that much about him, or this Yenefer we've never met, or Temeria in general.

I would have preferred either a customizable character or, if they had to stick to a fixed protagonist, a new witcher with a new story, objective, friends, personality, etc.

The Witcher would completely lose it's charm for me without Geralt. Not even joking, the guy is my favourite protagonist ever. 

[Gibb_Shepard]

Cheylus wrote...


And Geralt isn't neutral in the books, he mostly pretends to be neutral.

This is very true. Geralt actually is a bit of knucklehead quite often in the books, often following his impulses rather than thinking things through (which is how like to play Geralt in the games). Not a very neutral man at all. 

[Babli]

Considering that besides very few people, everyone thinks that Geralt is kingslayer, I don´t think siding with terrorist known for helping another kingslayer would be a good idea.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Pedrak wrote...

The game looks and sounds absolutely fantastic. Ironically, the only thing about the Witcher 3 I'm not particularly excited about is... the witcher himself.

I enjoyed both previous games (the first one more so), and Geralt is an ok protagonist... but I really don't care that much about him, or this Yenefer we've never met, or Temeria in general.

I would have preferred either a customizable character or, if they had to stick to a fixed protagonist, a new witcher with a new story, objective, friends, personality, etc.

Deal with it.
It would be stupid to switch to another character in the middle of Geralt's story.
He deserves his story finished and if Reds will be able to pull that off we will probably get dbest and most replayable RPG trilogy ever made.

Babli wrote...

Considering that besides very few people,
everyone thinks that Geralt is kingslayer, I don´t think siding with
terrorist known for helping another kingslayer would be a good
idea.

Triss clears Geralt's name during the meeting between kings and mages, if you decided to save her and create Conclave.
On Roche's path if you decided to save Anais, she confirms Geralt is innocent whether you give her to Radovid (never did and never will) or Natalis.
Siding with Iorveth is the only way where you can't do anything about your wanted status, unless you save Triss. Also, i don't think anyone even gives a **** who killed Foltest at that point.

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Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 24 juin 2013 - 09:02 .

[Nerevar-as]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Cheylus wrote...


And Geralt isn't neutral in the books, he mostly pretends to be neutral.

This is very true. Geralt actually is a bit of knucklehead quite often in the books, often following his impulses rather than thinking things through (which is how like to play Geralt in the games). Not a very neutral man at all. 

Depends on what you consider neutral. He avoids fighing the Squirrels unless they attack him, and I´d say he didn´t care much for politics at first, and after **** hit the fan he was far more concerned about finding Yennefer and Ciri than the war with Nilfgaard. But I don´t see him picking sides if he has a choice, as in TW1.

[Luxorek]

So I've been on a little nostalgia run with The Witcher 1. Damn, has it really been 9 years since they first announced that game ? I still remember reading the news about that, visiting their first website, seeing the first concept arts (the player character back then was someone completely new) and talking about that with friends. 

Anyway, here is the first trailer they ever released. 12/09/2004. Back when Geralt was still not in the picture. Boy, did it look rough : D

Here is the second trailer from 2005 E3. Looks so much more like the final game.

EDIT: Sweet, new wallpaper from Killing Monsters site. Leshen in full glory. Love the design of that monster.

Modifié par Luxorek, 24 juin 2013 - 04:39 .

[Haplose]

Wow, reminds me of Neverwinter Nights.... just better animated. No wonder I guess, since they used the heavily modded Aurora engine for that game.
When you think about it, it was quite an amazing achievement what they achieved with this engine (TW1 looked absolutely stunning next to NWN1 or NWN2).

[slimgrin]

Haplose wrote...

Wow, reminds me of Neverwinter Nights.... just better animated. No wonder I guess, since they used the heavily modded Aurora engine for that game.
When you think about it, it was quite an amazing achievement what they achieved with this engine (TW1 looked absolutely stunning next to NWN1 or NWN2).

It's mind boggling what they achieved with that engine.

[milena87]

Yep, I still remember reading all the possible info on The Witcher: it was the first game that I bought on day 1 (and the CE too!).

Damn... now I want to play through The Witcher 1&2 again...

[Babli]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...
Triss clears Geralt's name during the meeting between kings and mages, if you decided to save her and create Conclave.

Well Geralt can´t know that at the time of deciding in act 1.

 Also, i don't think anyone even gives a **** who killed Foltest at that point.

Bounty hunters do. As Geralt said in the elven bath.

[Luxorek]

High resolution screenshots from Edge. Open in new tab bla bla bla...

[Luxorek]

Some more. God, this game looks amazing.

[Dutchess]

They all look like art you could hang on your wall. That last image is gorgeous.

[NeonFlux117]

All I want to know CdprojektRED... All I want to know is.

How much will ubersampling Witcher 3 hurt feelings and melt rigs?

This. This is all that matters.