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[Darth_Trethon]

Steelcan wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Oh yeah.....how dare they try to save a colony of innocents from the mindless murdering krogan. I wouldn't have used the genophage.....I would have used a complete 100% sterility virus on the Krogan and then I would have blown up their planet.....just as they destroyed many planets by driving asteroids into them just to see how they'd like it. After that I would have deployed all available council military forces across the galaxy under orders to find and eliminate all remaining Krogan.

. Please be trolling.

besides I doubt asteroids would make any impact on Tuchunka.

The turian bomb would have the same effect....not much on the planet itself, just on the Krogan population.

As far as trolling....the OP's post looks like trolling to me. He's accusinng the council as responsible for the Krogan rebellions bbecause they intervened to help a colony of innocents? That is VERY hard to take seriosuly......it's practically a complete joke.

[JBPBRC]

Steelcan wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Zero aggression? The Krogan warlord whats-his-face (one of Grunt's greatgreatgranddads) did everything but literally spit in the Council's faces, basically saying that Lusia now belonged to him, irrelevant of the native Asari there, and dared the Council to take it back. 

In fact, I'd wager that sounds like a declaration of war.

. Yes but that was after the attack took place.  

No it wasn't. That was right before. It couldn't have happened after the attacks, since the Krogan had all surrendered after that point.

. He can't dare the council to take the world back before populating it.  Or am I missing something?

Krogan arrive on planet. They have babies. Council tells him to leave. He says no, the planet now belongs to him, I dare you to take my world away from me. Council attacks. Krogan surrender. Incident later sparks the all-out war known as the Krogan Rebellions. That's all there is to it.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

We're talking about the krogan here, they like war, they thrive on conflict, they don't have the organization or the foresight to care about the cost.

I think the krogan are far more likely to choose the quick, fun, and direct method of getting what they want, as opposed to the slow, boring, and complicated one. 

. If that's the case why didnt they immediately attack the council after the Rachni wars?

No organization, no foresight, content to rest on their lawrels after defeating a determined enemy, didn't need to because the Council were outright giving them what they wanted. 

That's the whole build-up the Rebellions. The Council were greatful to the krogan so they didn't oppose their expansion until Lusia, where they drew the line. 

[Steelcan]

JBPBRC wrote...

Krogan arrive on planet. They have babies. Council tells him to leave. He says no, the planet now belongs to him, I dare you to take my world away from me. Council attacks. Krogan surrender. Incident later sparks the all-out war known as the Krogan Rebellions. That's all there is to it.

. I think I must have misinterpreted something.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

No organization, no foresight, content to rest on their lawrels after defeating a determined enemy, didn't need to because the Council were outright giving them what they wanted. 

That's the whole build-up the Rebellions. The Council were greatful to the krogan so they didn't oppose their expansion until Lusia, where they drew the line. 

. Mordin proves this wrong.  
Shepard "So if the Krogan united and formed a government, you'd welcome it?"
Mordin "Yes, united Krogan saved galaxy, stopped Rachni"

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

No organization, no foresight, content to rest on their lawrels after defeating a determined enemy, didn't need to because the Council were outright giving them what they wanted. 

That's the whole build-up the Rebellions. The Council were greatful to the krogan so they didn't oppose their expansion until Lusia, where they drew the line. 

. Mordin proves this wrong.  
Shepard "So if the Krogan united and formed a government, you'd welcome it?"
Mordin "Yes, united Krogan saved galaxy, stopped Rachni"

Which doesn't mean they had any organization or foresight. 

For lack of a better phrase, the krogan were sated after the Rachni Wars. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 24 janvier 2013 - 08:46 .

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
No organization, no foresight, content to rest on their lawrels after defeating a determined enemy, didn't need to because the Council were outright giving them what they wanted. 

That's the whole build-up the Rebellions. The Council were greatful to the krogan so they didn't oppose their expansion until Lusia, where they drew the line. 

. Mordin proves this wrong.  
Shepard "So if the Krogan united and formed a government, you'd welcome it?"
Mordin "Yes, united Krogan saved galaxy, stopped Rachni"

Which doesn't mean they had any organization or foresight. 

For lack of a better phrase, the krogan were sated after the Rachni Wars. 

. So they had a government,marked forces, a navy, but no organization?

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
No organization, no foresight, content to rest on their lawrels after defeating a determined enemy, didn't need to because the Council were outright giving them what they wanted. 

That's the whole build-up the Rebellions. The Council were greatful to the krogan so they didn't oppose their expansion until Lusia, where they drew the line. 

. Mordin proves this wrong.  
Shepard "So if the Krogan united and formed a government, you'd welcome it?"
Mordin "Yes, united Krogan saved galaxy, stopped Rachni"

Which doesn't mean they had any organization or foresight. 

For lack of a better phrase, the krogan were sated after the Rachni Wars. 

. So they had a government,marked forces, a navy, but no organization?

They had a government, but that could mean anything, and I have no idea about marked forces or their navy. The krogan are more described as a coalition of warlords with various motives and ratios of power spread between them. Their entire societal structure is clan based. 

So I'll ammend by statement because you are correct.

They didn't have sufficient organization or enough foresight. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 24 janvier 2013 - 08:57 .

[Steelcan]

Typo, meant armed forces.

[Mouton_Alpha]

What is the argument here again? Is anyone arguing that the Krogan were victims? If not, then this thread truly is moot.

Even non-violent expansion into other people's territory causes conflict and - bar other conditions - it is the invader that is at fault. Who starts the actual bloodletting is irrelevant.

[Han Shot First]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

What is the argument here again? Is anyone arguing that the Krogan were victims? If not, then this thread truly is moot.

Even non-violent expansion into other people's territory causes conflict and - bar other conditions - it is the invader that is at fault. Who starts the actual bloodletting is irrelevant.

Exactly.

If a foreign power invades and occupies territory belonging to another nation, it does not matter whether or not blood is shed. The mere act of occupying that nation's territory is an aggressive military action, and the party whose territory has been occupied is entirely justified in driving out those occupiers with military force. Whether or not the Krogan occupied Lusia without firing a shot, the Asari Republics and the Counil had casus belli. In either case, the Krogans were the aggressors in the Krogan Rebellions.

That being said, it is a rather large assumption that the Krogan occupied Lusia without having fired a shot. We don't have any details one way or the other on whether or not there was a space battle or a ground campaign before that occupation, and we don't know if the Asari had garrisoned the planet. With there not being any details one way or another, it is just as likely that there was a battle as it is that the Krogan were able to occupy the planet without a fight.