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[Emzamination]

[quote]Knight of Dane wrote...

That's beacuse it's a story element with forshadowed importance to future titles.[/quote]

The child is a role playing story element as well, having a destiny has nothing to do with it. I don't think I've ever heard anyone who got morrigan preggo refer to her as anything other than baby mama on this forum. But if it's really that important, for arguments sake I'll rephrase : You didn't get any of that with the dwarf noble accidental impregnation either, but no one seemed to mind.
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[quote]This is individual romance, and since we change protag each game, what happens in Inqusition will not have any effect on future games just by the sound of it.[/quote]

It doesn't need to go beyond inquisition or have any significant effect. It's a minor role play element for those who want it. Not every choice needs to cause ripples.

[quote]Besides, the OGB was expanded upon on Witch Hunt, it was not just a slide.[/quote]

Only if you purchased witch-hunt. and even then it's never anything more than a mention.

Speaking of which... the warden, either, lover/friend could choose not to care about the childs destiny and abduct it from morrigan, simply for the childs sake.

[Emzamination]

Blackrising wrote...

I think that's a great idea and a nice compromise. That way, epilouge-kids will be entirely optional.

And s/s couples can end up adopting a little human/elf/dwarven babe, yes? No need for straight couples to have all the sleepless nights fun.

That would be a great idea :happy:

[Addai]

Did you really make a thread about "siring"?

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Did you really make a thread about "siring"?

What is wrong about that?

[Knight of Dane]

Emzamination wrote...

t doesn't need to go beyond inquisition or have any significant effect. It's a minor role play element for those who want it. Not every choice needs to cause ripples.

We'll have to disagree on that. Either it is an actual element in the game or it's content to be awaited. Being told something as significant as getting a child with the love interest you persued is not fit for a simple Epilogue, imo.

Emzamination wrote...

Besides, the OGB was expanded upon on Witch Hunt, it was not just a slide.

Only if you purchased witch-hunt. and even then it's never anything more than a mention.

No, Which Hunt is part of the canon, Morrigan always goes through the mirror.

[The Spirit of Dance]

Where do I sign?

[Fredward]

Why do people have such a fetish for children?

Wow that came out wrong. -ahem- Why do people want their heroes to have kids so badly? I really can't picture Hawke and Anders (for instance) having kids. Despite what poor idealistic Anders thinks, they're totally meant to die in a epic battle.

Must be one of those "personal opinion" things I have heard speak of. xp

[Knight of Dane]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why do people have such a fetish for children?

Wow that came out wrong. -ahem- Why do people want their heroes to have kids so badly? I really can't picture Hawke and Anders (for instance) having kids. Despite what poor idealistic Anders thinks, they're totally meant to die in a epic battle.

Must be one of those "personal opinion" things I have heard speak of. xp

To each his own. 

Edit: My Hawke was not meant to die in battle, he is way too strong.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 24 janvier 2013 - 09:13 .

[rapscallioness]

uh...sure, why not?

But wait, what's this I hear abt characters stashing their kids in backpacks and quickslots? lol.

[Blackrising]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why do people have such a fetish for children?

Wow that came out wrong. -ahem- Why do people want their heroes to have kids so badly? I really can't picture Hawke and Anders (for instance) having kids. Despite what poor idealistic Anders thinks, they're totally meant to die in a epic battle.

Must be one of those "personal opinion" things I have heard speak of. xp

Personally, I just want my heroes to get a reward for everything they've done. You know, an opportunity to live a quiet life after their journey is over.
And the picket-fence scenario more often than not involves children, so there ya go.

[Iakus]

rapscallioness wrote...

uh...sure, why not?

But wait, what's this I hear abt characters stashing their kids in backpacks and quickslots? lol.

In the Baldur's Gate 2 expansion, Throne of Bhaal, if you romanced Aerie, she gets pregnant during the game, and if enough time passes in-game, she gives birth to a baby boy, who becomes an inventory item for her (Yes, she takes her infant son adventuring with her, slaying dragons and such).

I compared this to the ranger companion Minsc, who's animal companion Boo, a "miniature giant space hamster" permanently takes up one of his quick item slots.  Just pointing out Aerie was smart enough not to use one of those up 

Edit:  Boo takes up a quick slot, not an inventory one.  Noted correction

Modifié par iakus, 24 janvier 2013 - 11:10 .

[rapscallioness]

iakus wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

uh...sure, why not?

But wait, what's this I hear abt characters stashing their kids in backpacks and quickslots? lol.

In the Baldur's Gate 2 expansion, Throne of Bhaal, if you romanced Aerie, she gets pregnant during the game, and if enough time passes in-game, she gives birth to a baby boy, who becomes an inventory item for her (Yes, she takes her infant son adventuring with her, slaying dragons and such).

I compared this to the ranger companion Minsc, who's animal companion Boo, a "miniature giant space hamster" permanently takes up one of his inventory slots.  Just pointing out Aerie was smart enough not to use one of those up 

oh, that is so funny!

[fchopin]

NO

[Harle Cerulean]

I think that sort of thing would be best left for the imagination of the players. I'd be irritated, for example, if Varric had said that Fenris knocked up my f!Hawke, because my headcanon is that they're both smart enough to know that when they're wanted fugitives is no time to have a kid.

But, what I really don't want to see more of is the DA:O instances of rewarding players for picking a male PC by giving them extra content related to babies. The male Dwarf Noble gets content that the female has no counterpart to, because she can't spend the game knocked up? Gee, thanks, Bioware. Male Wardens have the opportunity to have a more personal stake in the Dark Ritual decision and Witch Hunt because that's their kid who's going to be Archdemon-souled and hidden away behind an Eluvian? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

[thats1evildude]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

The male Dwarf Noble gets content that the female has no counterpart to, because she can't spend the game knocked up? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

One could argue that cuts both ways. The male Dwarf Noble doesn't get any hints of a relationship with Gorim, after all.

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Male Wardens have the opportunity to have a more personal stake in the Dark Ritual decision and Witch Hunt because that's their kid who's going to be Archdemon-souled and hidden away behind an Eluvian? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

Except if you're a female Warden who's romancing Alistair, then you have to ask your boyfriend to participate in a magical sex rite.

[Iakus]

Harle Cerulean wrote...
But, what I really don't want to see more of is the DA:O instances of rewarding players for picking a male PC by giving them extra content related to babies. The male Dwarf Noble gets content that the female has no counterpart to, because she can't spend the game knocked up? Gee, thanks, Bioware. Male Wardens have the opportunity to have a more personal stake in the Dark Ritual decision and Witch Hunt because that's their kid who's going to be Archdemon-souled and hidden away behind an Eluvian? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

Well, the dwarf noble quest is bugged and automatically fails no matter what you do...

Here's a thought, as well.  Maybe not for DA3 specifically but maybe for future games:  a potential LI who already has a child from a previous relationship?  

Or maybe the protagonist starts the game already with a child?  I mean, we've had games where your character has siblings, parent, extended family, how about a child?

[Harle Cerulean]

thats1evildude wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

The male Dwarf Noble gets content that the female has no counterpart to, because she can't spend the game knocked up? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

One could argue that cuts both ways. The male Dwarf Noble doesn't get any hints of a relationship with Gorim, after all.

A couple throwaway lines of text are not the equal of a quest.

thats1evildude wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Male Wardens have the opportunity to have a more personal stake in the Dark Ritual decision and Witch Hunt because that's their kid who's going to be Archdemon-souled and hidden away behind an Eluvian? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

Except if you're a female Warden who's romancing Alistair, then you have to ask your boyfriend to participate in a magical sex rite.

All male characters get the personal tie, which extends to Witch Hunt assuming they accepted.  Only female characters who romanced Alistair (and didn't lose him to the Loghain decision) get that personal tie - and it's not nearly the same sort of thing.  In fact, one could argue that it's a punishment for choosing to play a female character, if you have to make the decision between asking your boyfriend to sire a child on another woman or one of you dying.  Personally, I wouldn't necessarily make that argument; it should pretty much be a no-brainer of a choice.  If you're that hung up on your boyfriend never, ever touching another woman that it's worth someone's death, there might be a problem, and it isn't the sleeping with another woman thing!  But, that's my view.  Others feel differently.  It also doesn't give such a personal tie to Witch Hunt, unless you're just that vengeful about your boyfriend doing the horizontal tango with Morrigan.

iakus wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...
But, what I really don't want to see more of is the DA:O instances of rewarding players for picking a male PC by giving them extra content related to babies. The male Dwarf Noble gets content that the female has no counterpart to, because she can't spend the game knocked up? Gee, thanks, Bioware. Male Wardens have the opportunity to have a more personal stake in the Dark Ritual decision and Witch Hunt because that's their kid who's going to be Archdemon-souled and hidden away behind an Eluvian? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

Well, the dwarf noble quest is bugged and automatically fails no matter what you do...

Does it?  I know I've see people talking about their satisfactory conclusions to the quest.  In that case, I would guess this is a PC-console divide - PC has mods to fix the bugs, console doesn't.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 24 janvier 2013 - 11:28 .

[Iakus]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Does it?  I know I've see people talking about their satisfactory conclusions to the quest.  In that case, I would guess this is a PC-console divide - PC has mods to fix the bugs, console doesn't.

My most recent Warden was a male Aeducan, and the quest failed even after getting Harrowmont to adopt the child.  According to the wiki, it's automatically set to fail once a king is crowned, no matter what.

Maybe there is a PC mod that fixes it, I dunno

Modifié par iakus, 24 janvier 2013 - 11:33 .

[thats1evildude]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

A couple throwaway lines of text are not the equal of a quest.

When said quest itself amounts to a couple of throwaway lines, what's the difference?

Harle Cerulean wrote...

All male characters get the personal tie, which extends to Witch Hunt assuming they accepted.  Only female characters who romanced Alistair (and didn't lose him to the Loghain decision) get that personal tie - and it's not nearly the same sort of thing.  In fact, one could argue that it's a punishment for choosing to play a female character, if you have to make the decision between asking your boyfriend to sire a child on another woman or one of you dying.

Your argument has some merit, but it's a bit much to say that you're being "punished" by playing a female character.

No matter what, you personally have to make the decision to turn a child into some unknown god-abomination. The fact that it can be your own child only makes it slightly more horrific.

Harle Cerulean wrote...

But, what I really don't want to see more of is the DA:O instances of rewarding players for picking a male PC by giving them extra content related to babies. The male Dwarf Noble gets content that the female has no counterpart to, because she can't spend the game knocked up? Gee, thanks, Bioware. Male Wardens have the opportunity to have a more personal stake in the Dark Ritual decision and Witch Hunt because that's their kid who's going to be Archdemon-souled and hidden away behind an Eluvian? Gee, thanks, Bioware.

There's always sacrifices in every choice you make. By deciding to pick one origin, you miss out on content relating to the others. Hell, by picking certain classes, you miss out on content available to others. I don't see how these marginal differences in the experience of a male Warden vs. female Warden somehow work out to favouring one gender over the other.

You're blowing this s**t way out of proportion.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 24 janvier 2013 - 11:55 .

[Emzamination]

fchopin wrote...

NO

Everyone is free to have their own opinion but yelling in caps is rather distateful forum etiquette and quite unnecessary. It's more likely to compell one to ignore your post like I strongly feel like doing rather than hear you out.

[CuriousArtemis]

It's a bit Sim-ish to want kids and marriage, but why the heck not? I usually play s/s romances (whether male or female) so the option to marry (or the Thedas s/s equivalent ... hand-fastening? lol I dunno how the gods/Maker religion feel about s/s) or adopt a kid could be interesting.

I really disliked the silly epilogues at the end of DA:O though so I'd prefer to avoid those somehow.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 25 janvier 2013 - 02:51 .

[fchopin]

Emzamination wrote...

fchopin wrote...

NO

Everyone is free to have their own opinion but yelling in caps is rather distateful forum etiquette and quite unnecessary. It's more likely to compell one to ignore your post like I strongly feel like doing rather than hear you out.

Here is a lower case (no) to make you happy.


I was not shouting just strongly disagreeing.