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[Knight of Dane]

H. Birdman wrote...

Not sure I understand the "no in-game kids" rule.

There really isn't anything to understand.

In my experience it's mostly people who are intimidated by the thought who make up this kind of "rules."

Once romance was thought as forbitten in games but some, especially bioware has proven that wrong.

Why not the next stop?
Games can invoke many emotions.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

H. Birdman wrote...

Not sure I understand the "no in-game kids" rule.

There really isn't anything to understand.

In my experience it's mostly people who are intimidated by the thought who make up this kind of "rules."

Once romance was thought as forbitten in games but some, especially bioware has proven that wrong.

Why not the next stop?
Games can invoke many emotions.

Because, resourcess.

It doesn't fit into the kind of game bioware is, there need to be a lot of resourcess to do this right.

And it needs to be done right, at the first try, or it will be horrible.

But I do agree that if we have to have children it needs to be in game and not the epilog.

But I still think that with the life dragon age 'heroes' live, getting a child would border on neglect. How could they possible care for them?

[BlueMagitek]

If you want kids, Harvest Moon is a good series.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I don't know why they havn't had the option of having a child in their games yet but it could be a nice addition.

Heck think of the amount of directions you could have had if Merrill could have had a child. She was meant to be the Keeper of her clan someone to hold onto their traditions and customs and then she not only get with a human but has a child that isn't an elf. That could have all kinds of psychological effects on the story of her character and the reaction from her tribe.

I'm not saying every character that is a LI should have a child only if the child builds a richer story for the characters around them.

[esper]

BlueMagitek wrote...

If you want kids, Harvest Moon is a good series.

It totaly is, I am replaying them right now. And Rune Factory too.

But those games are build around building a farm and a family so the they are sort of set up for it. Dragon Age is not. Dragon Age is build around the wandering protagonist who travel a long distance and murders a lot of people.

Modifié par esper, 25 janvier 2013 - 09:56 .

[esper]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I don't know why they havn't had the option of having a child in their games yet but it could be a nice addition.

Heck think of the amount of directions you could have had if Merrill could have had a child. She was meant to be the Keeper of her clan someone to hold onto their traditions and customs and then she not only get with a human but has a child that isn't an elf. That could have all kinds of psychological effects on the story of her character and the reaction from her tribe.

I'm not saying every character that is a LI should have a child only if the child builds a richer story for the characters around them.

And again, who would care for that child, Merrill? When she is stuck 20/7 in her house working on her very important project. Hawke, who at this point is a champion?


And what witt F/F Merrill? There has to be devoted equal content to the branches, you know. And what with all the other Li's without a child, what content do they have instead to make up for it?

And what when the player character is female, does that mean we have to fight when pregnant? My Hawke's signatur attack was stabbing herself through the stomach, obviously not good for a fetus. A child would open up for a whole new can 'what is social roles' worms off what option female and male players have...

[esper]

krul2k wrote...

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

H. Birdman wrote...

Not sure I understand the "no in-game kids" rule.

There really isn't anything to understand.

In my experience it's mostly people who are intimidated by the thought who make up this kind of "rules."

Once romance was thought as forbitten in games but some, especially bioware has proven that wrong.

Why not the next stop?
Games can invoke many emotions.

Because, resourcess.

It doesn't fit into the kind of game bioware is, there need to be a lot of resourcess to do this right.

And it needs to be done right, at the first try, or it will be horrible.

But I do agree that if we have to have children it needs to be in game and not the epilog.

But I still think that with the life dragon age 'heroes' live, getting a child would border on neglect. How could they possible care for them?

Backpack or pram Shogun the Assassin style 

????

[esper]

krul2k wrote...

why nitpick everything? why no just go aye right am pregnant boom timeskip a year "ohhh weee itsy bitsy baby cutchy cooo" hire a nanny

Because there is likely not going to be a timeskip and a nanny does not offer very good protection nor substitutes for lacking parents.

And with the life our main character lives good protection is necessary.

As said, if this is to be done, it needs to be done right and that in the first try too.

[esper]

krul2k wrote...

no it needs to be done right for you, everyone else can see it working on a level you just cant seem to understand, if its done,an i highly doubt it will be,there is nothing stopping it from being exactly as i crudely put it, only thing stopping that is ppl who would nitpick an then nitpick again saying how, why but instead of just damn well enjoying it for what it is, and that is nothing more than a cosmetic fussy feeling you could tiggle an enjoy in a game thats otherwise serious, abit like interacting with yer dog in both DA games

Ehmm... no.

Those who want it want it for emotional investment, If it is not done right it will not give that emotional investement, but just annoyance and potentially upset large part of the fan base to boot.

Just look at how many hated Leandra for one completely human sentence. Family is tricky to do and difficult and should not just be put in as a gimmick.

Edit and who exaclty is seeing it working. I have only seen people saying they want it. There is a difference. I am not oppossed to children, it would certainly have added a depth to Anders and Hawke relationship, I just can't see it plausible done.

Modifié par esper, 25 janvier 2013 - 10:20 .

[esper]

krul2k wrote...

yeah nitpicking as i said

no you the leandra complaint

The devil is in the details, my friend. In this case I consider nitpicking important.

Modifié par esper, 25 janvier 2013 - 10:24 .

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

H. Birdman wrote...

Not sure I understand the "no in-game kids" rule.

There really isn't anything to understand.

In my experience it's mostly people who are intimidated by the thought who make up this kind of "rules."

Once romance was thought as forbitten in games but some, especially bioware has proven that wrong.

Why not the next stop?
Games can invoke many emotions.

Because, resourcess.

It doesn't fit into the kind of game bioware is, there need to be a lot of resourcess to do this right.

And it needs to be done right, at the first try, or it will be horrible.

But I do agree that if we have to have children it needs to be in game and not the epilog.

But I still think that with the life dragon age 'heroes' live, getting a child would border on neglect. How could they possible care for them?

Well....

I absolutely agree.

I would love for siring children to be possible, in Dragon Age too, but the point of my argument is not that Dragon Age specifically should have children, but the notion that having them in games at all is an outdated one.
And that - in case Dragon age should have kids in them - that they do it right.

It might have to take a new series, perhaps not made by bioware, and a thorough design process to get it right.
It's a vision for the next generation of game designers, hopefully my own.

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

krul2k wrote...

yeah nitpicking as i said

no you the leandra complaint

The devil is in the details, my friend. In this case I consider nitpicking important.

You should, nitpicking is a word idiots use when they want to avoid a topic.

[Knight of Dane]

BlueMagitek wrote...

If you want kids, Harvest Moon is a good series.

Oh yes, this fall I replayed Magical Melody, Animal Parade, Rune Factory Frontier and tried Rune Factory 2 for my new 3DS XL, love those games.

Looking so much forward to New Beginning comes to Europe in April.

But; Back to lé Dragon Age.

[Knight of Dane]

krul2k wrote...

oh cheers i use it alot hahaha, guess im a complete imbecile

No personal offense intended of course!
:innocent:

[legbamel]

It's a needless distraction from the whole epic feel of Dragon Age. Either I'm fighting preggo and then carrying a baby in my backpack like a pair of trousers or I have a kid that I see for a night between weeks or months off doing my job. If it's optional then it's a waste of resources, to me, time and money better spent improving the rest of the game. If it's not optional it would take the game in a strange direction in the midst of an important time in Thedosian history. That's hardly a "rule", just my opinion.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

H. Birdman wrote...

Not sure I understand the "no in-game kids" rule.

There really isn't anything to understand.

In my experience it's mostly people who are intimidated by the thought who make up this kind of "rules."

Once romance was thought as forbitten in games but some, especially bioware has proven that wrong.

Why not the next stop?
Games can invoke many emotions.

Because, resourcess.

It doesn't fit into the kind of game bioware is, there need to be a lot of resourcess to do this right.

And it needs to be done right, at the first try, or it will be horrible.

But I do agree that if we have to have children it needs to be in game and not the epilog.

But I still think that with the life dragon age 'heroes' live, getting a child would border on neglect. How could they possible care for them?

Well....

I absolutely agree.

I would love for siring children to be possible, in Dragon Age too, but the point of my argument is not that Dragon Age specifically should have children, but the notion that having them in games at all is an outdated one.
And that - in case Dragon age should have kids in them - that they do it right.

It might have to take a new series, perhaps not made by bioware, and a thorough design process to get it right.
It's a vision for the next generation of game designers, hopefully my own.

....

Have you never played Rune Factory? I mean I understand if Harvest Moon is too sim-like, or dating-sim like for you. And it is not exactly M-rated either.

But the conceot is there, it is being made.

(And now I realize that you might not be a console players. Slaps self. I just assume that all naturally owns a DS, a PSP and a PS3 a Wii and other such thing)

[Andronic0s]

I don't see what it could add to the game, I mean.. do you really need an epilogue slide confirming that a man and a woman in a settled relationship eventually had offspring? it's sort of a given unless you are actively trying not to (or one is barren I guess)

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If you want kids, Harvest Moon is a good series.

Oh yes, this fall I replayed Magical Melody, Animal Parade, Rune Factory Frontier and tried Rune Factory 2 for my new 3DS XL, love those games.

Looking so much forward to New Beginning comes to Europe in April.

But; Back to lé Dragon Age.

Oh so you have.

But Rune Factory is good in that it is build around being able to support the feature.

I have a hard time seeing it done in dragon age, because of the issues I pointed out earlier.