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[mrwizeguy]

@fenekus , was it to hard to do a solo run?

things would be more clear you know, but anyway

[me0120]

Feneckus wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Feneckus: That first video where you killed the Phantom in CQC... that's what the HML is for when using the PPR.

Hadn't thought about that.

But it proves Typhoon > PPR IMO. I can play with power classes without having them curse at me because I made a phantom/banshee/praetorian use their bubble. And you have to sacrifice points somewhere to invest into HML.

Hawk Missiles also stagger multiple enemies at a time. It keeps my teammates from getting stunlocked by Geth Rocket Troopers and Hunters form a distance while I take down whatever I want. It blends perfectly with the PPR. 

The guns are equals. One's drawbacks are made up for by the other ones drawbacks.

[UnknownMercenary]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

And those saying using consumables is dumb, why wouldn't you? If you are playing on a regular basis at all you will have tons of 1s and 2s, and many 3s and 4s as you keep building up your manifest.

If a Level X UR weapon requires specific types of equipments to be good on Gold even in the hands of a competent Destroyer, would you say it's a well-designed weapon?

I can do just fine with it with level 1 AP/Drill/Warp or just skip Barrel and use HVB.

I used to pug with AP + EB when I had a *****ier internet connection.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 25 janvier 2013 - 10:53 .

[orehlol]

Typhoon X with ap IV,  Assualt Rifle Amp III on gold should try using a level 1 typhoon you modder

[Feneckus]

mrwizeguy wrote...

@fenekus , was it to hard to do a solo run?

things would be more clear you know, but anyway

It's pretty clear I'm on my own in 95% of the video.

I thought about soloing to get a legit one on one vs a Banshee but I couldn't be bothered. This footage is good enough I'd say. I clearly proved that you could one clip a Banshee so there's no reason to go further.

[Zjarcal]

DullahansXMark wrote...

All I know is that I had to pump out 50 shots to take down a Marauder on Silver with it at Level II. At medium range, so a couple of those shots were probably misses, but you get my point.

Well if your aim sucks... sure.

Meanwhile, I can instead just take a Hurricane and basically do the same thing, much faster, and at only a somewhat closer range.

Won't disagree here, and it's why I said earlier I do want a small buff for the Typhoon.

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Because an UR should be good on Gold without Ammo equipments when so many other URs and Rares are.

Also equipments make the game incredibly boring IMO. On Gold. And Platium is boring regardless.

Please, all weapons suffer without equipment, some more than others. PPR isn't exactly earth shattering without equipment either. A Javelin without phasic or disruptor ammo is going to one shot a lot less reliably. The Talon and Wraith won't wreck armor fast enough unless you're using consumables... etc, etc, etc.

Besides, Typhoon is already good even without consumables.

If you think consumables make the game boring, that's your opinion and one that is incredibly irrelevant since consumables are there to be used, not to be ignored.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 25 janvier 2013 - 11:01 .

[orehlol]

Wow since when did everyone on Gold have maxed UR's with Best equipment and level 20 characters

[iOnlySignIn]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

And those saying using consumables is dumb, why wouldn't you? If you are playing on a regular basis at all you will have tons of 1s and 2s, and many 3s and 4s as you keep building up your manifest.

If a Level X UR weapon requires specific types of equipments to be good on Gold even in the hands of a competent Destroyer, would you say it's a well-designed weapon?

I can do just fine with it with level 1 AP/Drill/Warp or just skip Barrel and use HVB.

I used to pug with AP + EB when I had a *****ier internet connection.

That is the main problem with this weapon, that it's only good with AP (mods or ammo), because it suffers a ridiculous 75 Armor Damage Resistance against boss enemies.

But if you take AP mods you're giving up a substantial amount of damage (Extended Barrel or Extended Magazine).

The one buff it absolutely needs is complete Armor negation (like GPS & Graal). That would help it even more than a 1.75x ramp up modifier.

[mrwizeguy]

Feneckus wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

@fenekus , was it to hard to do a solo run?

things would be more clear you know, but anyway

It's pretty clear I'm on my own in 95% of the video.

I thought about soloing to get a legit one on one vs a Banshee but I couldn't be bothered. This footage is good enough I'd say. I clearly proved that you could one clip a Banshee so there's no reason to go further.

yea , i just wanted to see exactly if there is any difference in respect of damage vs the consoles like its been claimed .

[Zjarcal]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

And those saying using consumables is dumb, why wouldn't you? If you are playing on a regular basis at all you will have tons of 1s and 2s, and many 3s and 4s as you keep building up your manifest.

If a Level X UR weapon requires specific types of equipments to be good on Gold even in the hands of a competent Destroyer, would you say it's a well-designed weapon?

I can do just fine with it with level 1 AP/Drill/Warp or just skip Barrel and use HVB.

I used to pug with AP + EB when I had a *****ier internet connection.

That is the main problem with this weapon, that it's only good with AP (mods or ammo), because it suffers a ridiculous 75 Armor Damage Resistance against boss enemies.

But if you take AP mods you're giving up a substantial amount of damage (Extended Barrel or Extended Magazine).

The one buff it absolutely needs is complete Armor negation (like GPS & Graal). That would help it even more than a 1.75x ramp up modifier.

Same scenario with the Reegar, which you claimed was fine in a previous post.

Unless you actually think Reegar with shredder/hvb only and no consumables wrecks armor... and if that's the case, lol.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 25 janvier 2013 - 11:07 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Zjarcal wrote...

Please, all weapons suffer without equipment, some more than others. PPR isn't exactly earth shattering without equipment either. A Javelin without phasic or disruptor ammo is going to one shot a lot less reliably. The Talon and Wraith won't wreck armor fast enough unless you're using consumables... etc, etc, etc.

Claymore, Crusader, Widow, Black Widow, Valiant, GPS, Kishok, Hurricane, Paladin, Carnifex, Arc Pistol, Scorpion, Harrier, PPR, Saber, Talon, Wraith, Reegar, Pirahna, Raider.

All outstanding on Gold without equipment - which is how I play most of the time.

The thing is, shotguns and sniper rifles can take Penetration mods without sacrificing damage (in the form of clip size and/or damage barrel). The Typhoon and the PPR cannot.

The difference between Typhoon and PPR is that PPR is outstanding on Gold with Heavy Barrel + Extended Magazine, whereas Typhoon is just mediocre with that setup.

The only weapon that suffers from a similar flaw, is the Collector SMG. Which would be OK if the Typhoon weighs similar to the CSMG and is meant to be used as a burst-fire backup weapon.

[iOnlySignIn]

Zjarcal wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

That is the main problem with this weapon, that it's only good with AP (mods or ammo), because it suffers a ridiculous 75 Armor Damage Resistance against boss enemies.

But if you take AP mods you're giving up a substantial amount of damage (Extended Barrel or Extended Magazine).

The one buff it absolutely needs is complete Armor negation (like GPS & Graal). That would help it even more than a 1.75x ramp up modifier.

Same scenario with the Reegar, which you claimed was fine in a previous post.

Unless you actually think Reegar with shredder/hvb only and no consumables wrecks armor... and if that's the case, lol.

Yes I do. And I wreck Armor on Gold with no consumables with the Reegar. HVB + Shredder.

You will think that way too, if you bother to try it out and/or look at its DPS numbers. But I can't play this game for you, can I. Or teach you third grade maths again.

And no, the Reegar does not suffer a x1.5 times Armor Damage Resistance like the Typhoon, CSMG, and Krysae do. 

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 25 janvier 2013 - 11:12 .

[Zjarcal]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Please, all weapons suffer without equipment, some more than others. PPR isn't exactly earth shattering without equipment either. A Javelin without phasic or disruptor ammo is going to one shot a lot less reliably. The Talon and Wraith won't wreck armor fast enough unless you're using consumables... etc, etc, etc.

Claymore, Crusader, Widow, Black Widow, Valiant, GPS, Kishok, Hurricane, Paladin, Carnifex, Arc Pistol, Scorpion, Harrier, PPR, Saber, Talon, Wraith, Reegar, Pirahna, Raider.

All outstanding on Gold without equipment - which is how I play most of the time.

The thing is, shotguns and sniper rifles can take Penetration mods without sacrificing damage (in the form of clip size and/or damage barrel). The Typhoon and the PPR cannot.

The difference between Typhoon and PPR is that PPR is outstanding on Gold with Heavy Barrel + Extended Magazine, whereas Typhoon is just mediocre with that setup.

The only weapon that suffers from a similar flaw, is the Collector SMG. Which would be OK if the Typhoon weighs similar to the CSMG and is meant to be used as a burst-fire backup weapon.

Ok, I don't know if I should laugh or cry at you saying the Carnifex and the Valiant can be "outstanding" on gold without equipment.

Widow without equipment? Enjoy not being able to one shot enemies reliably (lol if you want to one shot phantoms).

And no, the PPR isn't outstanding with HVB and extended mag only, it's about as "mediocre" as the Typhoon with that setup.

[iOnlySignIn]

Zjarcal wrote...

Ok, I don't know if I should laugh or cry at you saying the Carnifex and the Valiant can be "outstanding" on gold without equipment.

Widow without equipment? Enjoy not being able to one shot enemies reliably (lol if you want to one shot phantoms).

And no, the PPR isn't outstanding with HVB and extended mag only, it's about as "mediocre" as the Typhoon with that setup.

Maybe you should add me on Origin? I'll show you what I do with the Valiant VI on Gold with no equipment. With my Human Engineer, if you're interested.

I use Widow with my Human Soldier. It one shots non-boss enemies just fine with no equipment, thank you very much. 

Do I have to quote the DPS numbers of PPR vs. Typhoon with HVB + Extended Mag? Or can you look it up yourself?

[Zjarcal]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Yes I do. And I wreck Armor on Gold with no consumables with the Reegar. HVB + Shredder.

You will think that way too, if you bother to try it out and/or look at its DPS numbers. But I can't play this game for you, can I. Or teach you third grade maths again.

And no, the Reegar does not suffer a x1.5 times Armor Damage Resistance like the Typhoon, CSMG, and Krysae do. 

I'd like to see what you call "wreck" armor.

And you're implying that I haven't already tried that setup, I have, and no, it doesn't "wreck" armor. Then again we seem to have different definitions on that.

About your third grade math, please do teach me. Please teach the whole world.

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I use Widow with my Human Soldier. It one shots non-boss enemies just fine with no equipment, thank you very much. 

Show me a video where you one shot a gold phantom with a widow with no equipment and then we'll talk.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 25 janvier 2013 - 11:17 .

[mrwizeguy]

@Zjarcal add him on origin and make a duo video bro..

will watch..haha

[iOnlySignIn]

Zjarcal wrote...

About your third grade math, please do teach me. Please teach the whole world.

OK.

Find the largest number in this spreadsheet under "Multi-Clip DPS Level X (Reload Cancel)" and the second largest one.

https://docs.google....put=html&gid=10

Multiply the largest with 0.5 and compare it to the second largest.

What do you find?

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I use Widow with my Human Soldier. It one shots non-boss enemies just fine with no equipment, thank you very much. 

Show me a video where you one shot a gold phantom with a widow with no equipment and then we'll talk.

I said non-boss enemies. Do you consider Phantoms to be non-boss enemies?

Also, I don't think Phantoms can be one-shotted on Gold without equipments by any weapon, except possibly with a Claymore Infiltrator at point-blank range. So failing to do that does not mean the Widow is not a good weapon.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 25 janvier 2013 - 11:25 .

[peddroelm]

Unfortunately the incendiary ammo thread tests lack time-stamps and the weapon used (Reegar) due to its "quasi random" amount of projectiles dropped makes it impossible to base a time line based on the weapon's rof..

Tyhw is probably right in the fact that incendiary dot ticks will be in effect (every 0.5 seconds) while the weapon is still firing (resetting//buffing the incendiary ammo)... [a new test with breakpoints and time-stamps would clarify this easily (but I lack the time//drive to do this test atm ..)]

Even if so proven I maintain that it makes sense to use the last 6 DOT ticks (with auto weapons this figure gets big quickly especially if amplified by warp) that happen after you stopped firing and try to let targets die to the DOT while you move on to other targets//objectives... If you kill the target using weapon fire the final DOT damage potential is wasted ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 25 janvier 2013 - 11:33 .

[Shampoohorn]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Ok, I don't know if I should laugh or cry at you saying the Carnifex and the Valiant can be "outstanding" on gold without equipment.

Widow without equipment? Enjoy not being able to one shot enemies reliably (lol if you want to one shot phantoms).

And no, the PPR isn't outstanding with HVB and extended mag only, it's about as "mediocre" as the Typhoon with that setup.

Maybe you should add me on Origin? I'll show you what I do with the Valiant VI on Gold with no equipment. With my Human Engineer, if you're interested.

I use Widow with my Human Soldier. It one shots non-boss enemies just fine with no equipment, thank you very much. 

Do I have to quote the DPS numbers of PPR vs. Typhoon with HVB + Extended Mag? Or can you look it up yourself?

Your exchange lacks substance.  Go join up in a game and prove your points on the battlefield.


Fish or cut bait.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Step up to the plate.

Never fight a land war in Asia.  You get the point.

[thearbiter1337]

Your playing as host as a Destroyer with Typhoon X+AP Ammo

Ofc it's going to do that.

[Big Jack Shepard]

orehlol wrote...

Wow since when did everyone on Gold have maxed UR's with Best equipment and level 20 characters

For months now.

[Feneckus]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

Your playing as host as a Destroyer with Typhoon X+AP Ammo

Ofc it's going to do that.

I wasn't hosting and I could easily do the same with a Human Soldier / Turian Soldier / Geth Trooper.

And of course, Turian Infiltrator.

[Daihannya]

Feneckus wrote...

thearbiter1337 wrote...

Your playing as host as a Destroyer with Typhoon X+AP Ammo

Ofc it's going to do that.

I wasn't hosting and I could easily do the same with a Human Soldier / Turian Soldier / Geth Trooper.

And of course, Turian Infiltrator.

IMHO the Tsol runs the Typhoon the best, well with the exception of running it against the geth.  But against all other factions he wields it better than a destroyer. 

[oO Stryfe Oo]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

People say it sucks?

Never heard that it sucks. Only that it needs a buff. And it's true; The PPR has infinite ammo, is super accurate, weighs less, and is better at applying ammo effects. The Typhoon just reloads faster and has a faster ramp-up time, iirc.

The Typhoon should get a buff. Such an intimidating gun shouldn't only be powerful in the hands of a select few; Now that DM has been nerfed a bit, I see nothing wrong with adding a bit more damage to the gun. Raw power is supposed to be it's thing. Its supposed to be the Javelin of Assault Rifles (for reference, assume the Harrier is the BW of ARs).

Edit: Yeah, I just realized this thread was 12 pages long. Someone probably mentioned most of my points.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 26 janvier 2013 - 12:53 .

[Zjarcal]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

About your third grade math, please do teach me. Please teach the whole world.

OK.

Find the largest number in this spreadsheet under "Multi-Clip DPS Level X (Reload Cancel)" and the second largest one.

https://docs.google....put=html&gid=10

Multiply the largest with 0.5 and compare it to the second largest.

What do you find?

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I use Widow with my Human Soldier. It one shots non-boss enemies just fine with no equipment, thank you very much. 

Show me a video where you one shot a gold phantom with a widow with no equipment and then we'll talk.

I said non-boss enemies. Do you consider Phantoms to be non-boss enemies?

Also, I don't think Phantoms can be one-shotted on Gold without equipments by any weapon, except possibly with a Claymore Infiltrator at point-blank range. So failing to do that does not mean the Widow is not a good weapon.

Ok, you're talking about the Reegar's theoertical DPS there, Cyonan himself has said how you will never actually see the Reegar's theoertical DPS in game.

However since I am not unreasonable, I decided to actually test it again, Reegar with both HVB and Shredder, and I will concede that it is much better against armor than what I remembered. I still don't think it "wrecks" armor (my definition of actually wrecking armor really can only be achieved with equipment), but it's certainly not bad in the slightest. Better than the Typhoon against armor without equipment, that's for sure.

However your claims that the PPR is exceptional and much better than the Typhoon without equipment are not true. It IS better, but not MUCH better. 

Reegar took down a Brute in 8 seconds (like I said, I was actually surprised it was by this, probably because the last time I had used Reegar with shredder and the standard barrel). With both the Typhoon and the PPR using HVB and magazine mod, I was staggered by the Brute before I finished and I was too lazy to redo the test, but while the Typhoon took 9 seconds to leave the Brute with 2 armor bars left, the PPR took 8.... is that really a HUGE difference?

And yes, I was making sure not to miss any shots. I will redo it properly later, but I can already tell the results, PPR will kill it faster but not much faster, certainly not enough for me to consider one gun's performance exception and the other mediocre.

So no, I don't think you're right when you say the PPR is exceptional without equipment and the Typhoon is not. Both are mediocre without equipment imo (which I don't have a huge problem with since they both wreck with equipment and I actually do use equipment).

About the Widow, never did I say the Widow is a bad weapon, but the difference between one shotting phantoms and needing a second shot is enough for me to consider their performance without equipment signifiacantly hampered, which is what I was arguing about anyway.

P.S.: Yes, I consider Phantoms to be elite unites, not bosses. The only enemies I consider bosses are the Atlas, Banshee, Prime, and Preatorian, maybe the Scion and Brute too (especially since they share the boss headshot modifier).

Modifié par Zjarcal, 26 janvier 2013 - 01:28 .