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[Stardusk]

Major Durza wrote...

It does *nowhere* near that much damage at VI.  I'll empty my ammo reserves on two bosses.  My Piranha outperforms it by a very comfortable margin.

Given your age and location, you still have time.

[Feneckus]

I tried 

Turian Soldier with AP Ammo IV
Geth Trooper with Drill Rounds III

Both were able to one clip an Atlas, close call for the Geth though.

[Deerber]

 Eeeeh, Stardusk is back! 

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Do I have to quote the DPS numbers of PPR vs. Typhoon with HVB + Extended Mag? Or can you look it up yourself?

You cannot even quote the theoretical dps for the Typhoon, since its RoF varies and it's not been exactly calculated as of now. Or did you do it by yourself?

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also, I don't think Phantoms can be one-shotted on Gold without equipments by any weapon, except possibly with a Claymore Infiltrator at point-blank range. So failing to do that does not mean the Widow is not a good weapon.

Javelin GI says hi.

Feneckus wrote...

The problem is, since it takes like 1 second to deal significant damage you can only use it on weapon classes, because it doesn't make sense to stop firing in order to use a power. No buff can change that, unless they get rid of that mechanic.

I'm fine with some weapon only being effective on specific kits.

I mean, nobody's complaining that the Acolyte / CSMG suck on weapon classes.

So much this. I agree 100%. Then, when every gun is great on every class like the harrier is, people complain about i being OP Because "it goes well on all classes" and because "it kills the variety".

Given the number of guns we have, even if every gun was a niche one like the Typhoon, we'd still have plenty of optimal guns to choose from when picking a kit.

[Lathlaer]

Deerber wrote...

 

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also, I don't think Phantoms can be one-shotted on Gold without equipments by any weapon, except possibly with a Claymore Infiltrator at point-blank range. So failing to do that does not mean the Widow is not a good weapon.

Javelin GI says hi.

Can it kill a gold phantom without any ammo? I have Javelin X and find it very hard to believe from what I've seen in game. Without phasic it can't even kill a bomber with one shot.

[spudspot]

Lathlaer wrote...

Can it kill a gold phantom without any ammo? I have Javelin X and find it very hard to believe from what I've seen in game. Without phasic it can't even kill a bomber with one shot.

It should be able to do it without any equipment (and without mods), if you hit the head and the Phantom doesn't get DR when you hit her. 

Widow X shouldn't be able to do it without mods. With a HVB however, it should work. 

Note: Just a quick calculation based on Narida, doesn't necessarily have to be true. 

[Deerber]

Lathlaer wrote...

Deerber wrote...

 

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also, I don't think Phantoms can be one-shotted on Gold without equipments by any weapon, except possibly with a Claymore Infiltrator at point-blank range. So failing to do that does not mean the Widow is not a good weapon.

Javelin GI says hi.

Can it kill a gold phantom without any ammo? I have Javelin X and find it very hard to believe from what I've seen in game. Without phasic it can't even kill a bomber with one shot.

Yes. But you need to get a headshot. Also, depending on the DR level they have (you host, don't host... It varies a lot), you might need to hit them when they're staggered/in cover. But that's true with consumables as well.

Heck, it used to be able to do that before Phasics were even introduced. And before the Javelin was buffed. And even before the shieldgate was lowered from 90% to 75%. Although that was with consumables, probably.

So yeah, it can definitely rip those ****es' head off.

Modifié par Deerber, 26 janvier 2013 - 01:15 .

[Zkyire]

Feneckus wrote...



Just a quick vid about the awesomeness of the Typhoon. For some reason, one guy made a thread calling it a boss killer and everyone made fun of him, which really shows how little most BSNers know about the game. 

It can one clip every single boss unit in the game, even Possessed Praetorians. Not in the vid because I didn't bump into one but definitely doable. It took 129 bullets to kill a Praetorian with 37575 combined barrier/armor. A possessed one has 50670 so it would take roughly 174. A bit less though because of the gun's mechanics. Also, note how it completely trivializes Praetorians.

Most people said PPR > Typhoon. Some even said the Revenant was superior.  Well, try to do what I did at 1:49 in the video with a PPR/Revenant. I stood my ground and single handedly depleted most of the wave budget in 29s, without moving a single inch. The PPR can't do that since you need to stop firing once in a while. 

BTW, does this look like a gun that needs a buff ? :innocent:

*doesn't even have a Destroyer or a Typhoon*

Envious as all hell now.

[UnknownMercenary]

Deerber wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

Deerber wrote...

 

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also, I don't think Phantoms can be one-shotted on Gold without equipments by any weapon, except possibly with a Claymore Infiltrator at point-blank range. So failing to do that does not mean the Widow is not a good weapon.

Javelin GI says hi.

Can it kill a gold phantom without any ammo? I have Javelin X and find it very hard to believe from what I've seen in game. Without phasic it can't even kill a bomber with one shot.

Yes. But you need to get a headshot. Also, depending on the DR level they have (you host, don't host... It varies a lot), you might need to hit them when they're staggered/in cover. But that's true with consumables as well.

Heck, it used to be able to do that before Phasics were even introduced. And before the Javelin was buffed. And even before the shieldgate was lowered from 90% to 75%. Although that was with consumables, probably.

So yeah, it can definitely rip those ****es' head off.

Yeah it was very possible back before the Javelin buff, when shield gate was first lowered to 75%. Just needed to be a headshot.

It was possible on host too, but tougher. Would've been easiest if she was in cover, or at least not flipping.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 26 janvier 2013 - 01:25 .

[Deerber]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

Deerber wrote...

 

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also, I don't think Phantoms can be one-shotted on Gold without equipments by any weapon, except possibly with a Claymore Infiltrator at point-blank range. So failing to do that does not mean the Widow is not a good weapon.

Javelin GI says hi.

Can it kill a gold phantom without any ammo? I have Javelin X and find it very hard to believe from what I've seen in game. Without phasic it can't even kill a bomber with one shot.

Yes. But you need to get a headshot. Also, depending on the DR level they have (you host, don't host... It varies a lot), you might need to hit them when they're staggered/in cover. But that's true with consumables as well.

Heck, it used to be able to do that before Phasics were even introduced. And before the Javelin was buffed. And even before the shieldgate was lowered from 90% to 75%. Although that was with consumables, probably.

So yeah, it can definitely rip those ****es' head off.

Yeah it was very possible back before the Javelin buff, when shield gate was first lowered to 75%. Just needed to be a headshot.

It was possible on host too, but tougher. Would've been easiest if she was in cover, or at least not flipping.

Haha nice shot! You can tell it's quite old from the build: weight reduction on evo6 of the passive? :happy:

Anyway, here's the proof that it was possible even before the shield gate was lowered, using incendiary ammo.

P.S: the introduction by Peddro makes me smile with nostalgia... People not liking the Javelin GI at the time. Things change, don't they?

Modifié par Deerber, 26 janvier 2013 - 01:34 .

[UnknownMercenary]

Deerber wrote...

Haha nice shot! You can tell it's quite old from the build: weight reduction on evo6 of the passive? :happy:

Anyway, here's the proof that it was possible even before the shield gate was lowered, using incendiary ammo.

P.S: the introduction by Peddro makes me smile with nostalgia... People not liking the Javelin GI at the time. Things change, don't they?

Hehe yes. I remember that thread too, and thinking it didn't count since it was DoT killing them

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Major Durza wrote...

It
does *nowhere* near that much damage at VI.  I'll empty my ammo
reserves on two bosses.  My Piranha outperforms it by a very comfortable
margin.

 

Ehhh... it's not like the PPR, it doesn't
improve exponentially with level. The difference between 6 and 10 on the
Brophoon is not astronomical. You're almost certainly doing something
wrong. 

It still should get buffed though. Was speaking to tyhw
about it just yesterday. After some discussion we figured a 10% increase
to base damage and increasing the bonus to defences to 1.75 would make
it out-DPS the PPR slightly. Which would make up for the fact that it
has recoil, quite a bad bullet spread and weighs a ton more.

Bonus to the defenses multiplier? Interesting. It would seperate the Typhoon further as a boss killer, since most proposals ask for a buff to the general damage multiplier instead. Those numbers should bring it almost to the level of a pre-nerf Typhoon, but only against defenses.

[Kenadian]

Buffing the defense multipliers from 1.5 to 1.75 will only exacerbate the armour problem further though. It doesn't need 87.5 armour DR.

[Kenadian]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Buffing the defense multipliers from 1.5 to 1.75 will only exacerbate the armour problem further though. It doesn't need 87.5 armour DR.

 

Heaven forbid we use AP ammo. 

Heaven forbid the random store give me the AP IVs I so very much want but don't have.

[Zjarcal]

Kenadian wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Buffing the defense multipliers from 1.5 to 1.75 will only exacerbate the armour problem further though. It doesn't need 87.5 armour DR.

 

Heaven forbid we use AP ammo. 

Heaven forbid the random store give me the AP IVs I so very much want but don't have.

HVB then?

I don't see the logic in opposing a buff just because it means you lose more damage to armor, even when you will actually be doing more damage overall.

[Kenadian]

Zjarcal wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Buffing the defense multipliers from 1.5 to 1.75 will only exacerbate the armour problem further though. It doesn't need 87.5 armour DR.

 

Heaven forbid we use AP ammo. 

Heaven forbid the random store give me the AP IVs I so very much want but don't have.

HVB then?

I don't see the logic in opposing a buff just because it means you lose more damage to armor, even when you will actually be doing more damage overall.

I suppose. But wouldn't upping the ramp up modifier to 1.75 instead get similar results?

[Lathlaer]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

Sp3c7eR had magazine V and stability mode V with warp ammo, so the difference between killing atlases, despite Typhoon nerf, was not that big because of the canopy glitch (which he didn't benefit from, to my knowledge),

He did. The Typhoon could pierce one meter of cover back then.

He was losing a lot damage vs armor though.

I know, but was one meter enough then? I'm quite certain it's not enough now.

He was losing this damage vs armor because many believed then that the gun had some kind of built-in natural DR piercing.

 

One metre of penetration is definitely enough now.

Off host you only need about 0.65m to get the triple hit. On host 1m is about enough. And even if you don't have that much, any sort of penetration at all will give you the double hit.

That is strange, because I have tried PPR with HVB V against atlas and it was nowhere near as powerful as Typhoon. Granted, my PPR is only II while my Typhoon is VI, but I didn't expect PPR to one clip it. What I did expect was a bit worse performance but it certainly felt like PPR couldn't pierce it.

It felt like Typhoon's natural 0.25 + HVB V is just about right. Or maybe that is the difference between PPR II and Typhoon VI, I don't know.

Modifié par Lathlaer, 26 janvier 2013 - 05:59 .

[Feneckus]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

I tried 

Turian Soldier with AP Ammo IV
Geth Trooper with Drill Rounds III

Both were able to one clip an Atlas, close call for the Geth though.

 

That's because of the Drill rounds predominantly. Drill 3 only gives 40% armour DR negation. That's a huge loss when compared to AP ammo 4's 90%.

I was using extended mag + high velocity barrel, so I had 100% armor piercing.

Shooting through walls never gets old 

[N7-RedFox]

Feneckus wrote...



Just a quick vid about the awesomeness of the Typhoon. For some reason, one guy made a thread calling it a boss killer and everyone made fun of him, which really shows how little most BSNers know about the game. 

It can one clip every single boss unit in the game, even Possessed Praetorians. Not in the vid because I didn't bump into one but definitely doable. It took 129 bullets to kill a Praetorian with 37575 combined barrier/armor. A possessed one has 50670 so it would take roughly 174. A bit less though because of the gun's mechanics. Also, note how it completely trivializes Praetorians.

Most people said PPR > Typhoon. Some even said the Revenant was superior.  Well, try to do what I did at 1:49 in the video with a PPR/Revenant. I stood my ground and single handedly depleted most of the wave budget in 29s, without moving a single inch. The PPR can't do that since you need to stop firing once in a while. 

BTW, does this look like a gun that needs a buff ? :innocent:

Yes it does need a buff. An accuracy buff.

You're using this gun on a character who gets Accuracy, RoF and Damage Bonus through a permenant skillset. You're also using AP ammo with adds more damage bonus and gives it extra piercing to rip through armor.

Your character's passive abilities also give him one of the highest weapon damage counts in the game next to GI of course and perhaps TGI (AR's) You're also stacking Stability mod III to give it extra accuracy and AR Gear mod V + Extended Barrel V.

Of course the Typhoon is gonna rip sh*t up when you slap on every consumable and non-consumable you can find then hand it to weapon-based class.

Niche build is niche.

Just trying handing the gun to Krogan Soldier or a Salarian Infiltrator without the AP ammo and without the Stability mod. You'll see the gun is quickly reduced to mediocre.

And what's more is that you tested this build on Gold not Platinum. Phantoms and Atlas' don't give you the time of day to sit there and empty a clip or 2 into them. On platinum they shieldgate you in 1 or 2 shots. And possessed Praetorians on Platinum... im not even gonna go there.

[Zjarcal]

N7-RedFox wrote...

Just trying handing the gun to Krogan Soldier or a Salarian Infiltrator without the AP ammo and without the Stability mod. You'll see the gun is quickly reduced to mediocre.

Why the hell would you not use AP ammo with the Typhoon?

Stability mod isn't needed.

[UnknownMercenary]

The gun does not need a stability mod.

It literally has no recoil.

If you're not using some form of armor piercing on all your non-projectile guns you are already doing it wrong.