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[kitty209]

oh?........... guess it explains why i never played volus more then 2 times in total?

[TheThirdSpectre]

URWRONG!

I woudn't be playing as them 24/7.

[UnknownMercenary]

Nah. I still play Krogans and the Earth characters the most and I doubt Protheans would change that.

[ISHYGDDT]

I'd play them more than the volus.

Then again I don't really care about lore, more about making the boom boom.

[ThomasakaDes_]

It would depend on what their powers would be.

I would probably try them.
But I pretty sure none of them would be a favorite, I'd still go with my lovely FemQuarian Engineer for the most part.

[Sabbatine]

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

What you fail to understand is that the galaxy is a big place and the protheans have hidden bases everywhere apparently.

I think it's actually dumber to assume that the Reapers could have completely wiped out every single Prothean considering their empire spanned the galaxy.  No amount of thoroughness could yield the results we see in the game within the period of time the Reapers supposedly had.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Nissun wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

I remember when everyone was raging over Volus, lol.


Indeed.

Because this is totally the exact same situation.

It is. Volus are inept at combat and have always been potrayed as such from ME1. It's a joke.

"There biotic powers are nothing short of Godly"

A JOKE.


Protheans can actually make sense on the other hand.

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 25 janvier 2013 - 04:45 .

[ManRightChea]

dr_random wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

You fail to understand that many MPlayers don't care about what you perceive as the foundation of Mass Effect. I'd say the gameplay is the cornerstone of Multiplayer and not Lore. Lore is SP, Prothean DLC is MP. Some can distinguish the two and live with that.

Bioware has stated that the operations we do on MP are effectively linked with real SP lore. There is an important relationship to be maintained there. Unless BW decides to somehow retconn the eradication, their appearance in MP is not gonna happen.

They would either have to completely sever that relationship, or retconn it via DLC.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

The Dwemer's fate was confirmed by their author and creator. Furthermore their situation is uncomparable to the Protheans.

[ntrisley]

Nissun wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

I remember when everyone was raging over Volus, lol.


Indeed.

Because this is totally the exact same situation.

It's fairly close.

Volus are non-combatants for the most part. They're not ground troops.
The Volus Bombing Fleet is the Volus War Asset for a reason. That's been established in the lore.

And for a bit of fun:
Face it Prothean lovers, the reason many people played with the Volus/N7s/whatever was the combination of skills.
The Volus was the only class with Recon Mine for quite awhile.

[GordianKnot42]

I'm indifferent to the lore argument. I just don't see the point. Javik's powers are all being utilized by other classes (except for Slam, which they seem to be leaving out intentionally), and there really isn't anything a Prothean could do that isn't already done by an Adept or Sentinel. So unless they introduce Slam or come up with an entirely new power (Flare?), it really serves no purpose other than from an RPG perspective.

[DJ Airsurfer]

How is it lore-breaking? Adding Protheans just plain and simple isn't lore breaking, it depends on what explanation BioWare decides to give if they add Protheans in a future dlc.

[ManRightChea]

Sabbatine wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

What you fail to understand is that the galaxy is a big place and the protheans have hidden bases everywhere apparently.

I think it's actually dumber to assume that the Reapers could have completely wiped out every single Prothean considering their empire spanned the galaxy.  No amount of thoroughness could yield the results we see in the game within the period of time the Reapers supposedly had.

You are underestimating how long of a period 50,000 years is. What evidence is shown to even give credence to the Protheans having a lifespan this long? If we go with the stasis pod argument, you are telling me there is a power source even in this advanced of a future, that can sustain life function for 50,000 years? If Protheans were actively procreating and living in societies this long to have lived the 50,000 years through normal birth and death, how has it gone unnoticed for this long?

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

GordianKnot42 wrote...

I'm indifferent to the lore argument. I just don't see the point. Javik's powers are all being utilized by other classes (except for Slam, which they seem to be leaving out intentionally), and there really isn't anything a Prothean could do that isn't already done by an Adept or Sentinel. So unless they introduce Slam or come up with an entirely new power (Flare?), it really serves no purpose other than from an RPG perspective.

To say nothing of the redundant Asari & Human classes?


Or any of the re-skinned Humans/Asari/Turians/Krogans,etc?


Right.

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 25 janvier 2013 - 04:48 .

[DJ Airsurfer]

ManRightChea wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

What you fail to understand is that the galaxy is a big place and the protheans have hidden bases everywhere apparently.

I think it's actually dumber to assume that the Reapers could have completely wiped out every single Prothean considering their empire spanned the galaxy.  No amount of thoroughness could yield the results we see in the game within the period of time the Reapers supposedly had.

You are underestimating how long of a period 50,000 years is. What evidence is shown to even give credence to the Protheans having a lifespan this long? If we go with the stasis pod argument, you are telling me there is a power source even in this advanced of a future, that can sustain life function for 50,000 years? If Protheans were actively procreating and living in societies this long to have lived the 50,000 years through normal birth and death, how has it gone unnoticed for this long?

Trying to understand your post is harder than adding Protheans to MP. 

[SKhalazza]

Geth > anything.
I prefer tech to biotic by far.
So, I won't play them non stop.

[ManRightChea]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

What you fail to understand is that the galaxy is a big place and the protheans have hidden bases everywhere apparently.

I think it's actually dumber to assume that the Reapers could have completely wiped out every single Prothean considering their empire spanned the galaxy.  No amount of thoroughness could yield the results we see in the game within the period of time the Reapers supposedly had.

You are underestimating how long of a period 50,000 years is. What evidence is shown to even give credence to the Protheans having a lifespan this long? If we go with the stasis pod argument, you are telling me there is a power source even in this advanced of a future, that can sustain life function for 50,000 years? If Protheans were actively procreating and living in societies this long to have lived the 50,000 years through normal birth and death, how has it gone unnoticed for this long?

Trying to understand your post is harder than adding Protheans to MP. 

Must not be very educated then.

[DJ Airsurfer]

ManRightChea wrote...

Must not be very educated then.

In what field? Trying to understand BSNers various illogical opinions?

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

ManRightChea wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

What you fail to understand is that the galaxy is a big place and the protheans have hidden bases everywhere apparently.

I think it's actually dumber to assume that the Reapers could have completely wiped out every single Prothean considering their empire spanned the galaxy.  No amount of thoroughness could yield the results we see in the game within the period of time the Reapers supposedly had.

You are underestimating how long of a period 50,000 years is. What evidence is shown to even give credence to the Protheans having a lifespan this long? If we go with the stasis pod argument, you are telling me there is a power source even in this advanced of a future, that can sustain life function for 50,000 years? If Protheans were actively procreating and living in societies this long to have lived the 50,000 years through normal birth and death, how has it gone unnoticed for this long?

Father Superior wrote...

Once again, why exactly are you the authority on what is plausible and what is not? There is no reason that these Protheans would not be able to recover to the point of being battle-ready in the same period of time as Javik. Sure, they would need a few days of rest, but eventually they'll be ready to go. And Javik didn't CHOOSE to exit at the climax of this cycle. His stasis facility was drained of its power by a neutron purge and he was put into extraordinary circumstances that were not standard protocol. There isn't a reason why another facility couldn't be faced some kind of technical issue and the stasis would need to be deactivated manually. There are plenty of ways that could justify it, Bioware just needs to pick one. You also failed to read the OP, because I wrote a scenario involving a Raloi-esque freakout by a caravan of ships that venture into the territory of an uncharted relay and find a stasis facility. If a fan can write a plausible scenario for Prothean discovery, a professional writer working for Bioware would have no problem whatsoever. Once again, why are you apparently the expert when you are only exposed to as much knowledge as any other fan?







"I don't think you even understand the incompetency of the Reapers. They suffer HEAVILY from hubris and it made them overlook Javik when the Eden Prime bunker detonated the neutron purge. They were so confident in their abilities that they assumed that they had killed all of the Protheans and just left. If they were so careless with this facility, why should anyone believe that they were careful with the search of the rest of the galaxy?

All of the Protheans lost connection with each other, so the Reapers were forced into searching for the remainder manually. Given their incompetency, how is anyone supposed to believe that they killed every last one of them? The only reason that Eden Prime's bunker was found was because indoctrinated traitors gave the info to the Reapers. The probability of that happening to every bunker across the GALAXY is laughable, especially because without communications, there would be no one to betray others, and considering the neutron purge was the reason only Javik survived, the remaining bunkers would sustain most if not all of the life they were intended to.


No one can say with certainty what happened to the remnants of the Protheans. It used to be an unquestioned truth that the Protheans were all dead, but that got thrown out the window with Javik. There is no real reason to fully believe that EVERY one of them is dead. That does not mean that there are billions of them left, but there is reason to believe that there could be a significant enough supply of them to earn a SP DLC and an UR MP card. It might be a bit of a stretch, but there could be some ships/race/colony that freaks out Raloi style and decides to go venturing into territory of previously inactive relays to flee from the Reapers that results in them finding a stasis facility. There are plenty of ways that they could be discovered, that is just one I came up with a while ago."

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 25 janvier 2013 - 04:55 .

[ManRightChea]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

Must not be very educated then.

In what field? Trying to understand BSNers various illogical opinions?

Illogical in what sense? Explain your position. Surely you aren't saying that it is grammatically unreadable because we both know that would be a lie.

[Nissun]

ntrisley wrote...

Nissun wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

I remember when everyone was raging over Volus, lol.


Indeed.

Because this is totally the exact same situation.

It's fairly close.

Volus are non-combatants for the most part. They're not ground troops.
The Volus Bombing Fleet is the Volus War Asset for a reason. That's been established in the lore.

Volus combatants might be a minority, but there is more than one in the galaxy.

Even if the total number of Volus soldiers is very limited, even if it's just a special task force of 1,000 members (for example), their situation is still completely different from magically discovering a bunch of prothean survivors and destroying a 10$ DLC in the process.

Frankly, I'm ashamed that Protheans get more people talking than Krogan women. Now, their situation is similar to the Volus'. But that's a discussion for another thread and I don't feel like engaging it now.

[ManRightChea]

I doubt even the Protheans would possess the technology capable of sustaining 50,000 years of power. As the number of individuals to be retained via stasis goes up, so do the power requirements, as evidenced by Ilos. So again I ask, how is this feasible, even for a small amount of Protheans. The only species to possess the tech necessary to accomplish this would be the Reapers and/or the Leviathans.

So BW should retconn the eradication for 4 Protheans, while simultaneously making Javik less unique?

[DJ Airsurfer]

ManRightChea wrote...

I doubt even the Protheans would possess the technology capable of sustaining 50,000 years of power. As the number of individuals to be retained via stasis goes up, so do the power requirements, as evidenced by Ilos. So again I ask, how is this feasible, even for a small amount of Protheans. The only species to possess the tech necessary to accomplish this would be the Reapers and/or the Leviathans.

So BW should retconn the eradication for 4 Protheans, while simultaneously making Javik less unique?

If stasis for 50k years is so impossible, how the flying frakk did Javik survive?

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Nissun wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

Nissun wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

I remember when everyone was raging over Volus, lol.


Indeed.

Because this is totally the exact same situation.

It's fairly close.

Volus are non-combatants for the most part. They're not ground troops.
The Volus Bombing Fleet is the Volus War Asset for a reason. That's been established in the lore.

Volus combatants might be a minority, but there is more than one in the galaxy.

Even if the total number of Volus soldiers is very limited, even if it's just a special task force of 1,000 members (for example), their situation is still completely different from magically discovering a bunch of prothean survivors and destroying a 10$ DLC in the process.

Frankly, I'm ashamed that Protheans get more people talking than Krogan women. Now, their situation is similar to the Volus'. But that's a discussion for another thread and I don't feel like engaging it now.

But who cares that my entire experience with the Tali/Legion story arc is absolutely pointless, right? We have Geth and Quarians fighting Geth on Earth.


MP is a loose intreptaion of SP's lore. It's not set in stone.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

ManRightChea wrote...

I doubt even the Protheans would possess the technology capable of sustaining 50,000 years of power. As the number of individuals to be retained via stasis goes up, so do the power requirements, as evidenced by Ilos. So again I ask, how is this feasible, even for a small amount of Protheans. The only species to possess the tech necessary to accomplish this would be the Reapers and/or the Leviathans.

So BW should retconn the eradication for 4 Protheans, while simultaneously making Javik less unique?

Eden Prime?

In case you ignorantly missed...


"I don't think you even understand the incompetency of the Reapers. They suffer HEAVILY from hubris and it made them overlook Javik when the Eden Prime bunker detonated the neutron purge. They were so confident in their abilities that they assumed that they had killed all of the Protheans and just left. If they were so careless with this facility, why should anyone believe that they were careful with the search of the rest of the galaxy?

All of the Protheans lost connection with each other, so the Reapers were forced into searching for the remainder manually. Given their incompetency, how is anyone supposed to believe that they killed every last one of them? The only reason that Eden Prime's bunker was found was because indoctrinated traitors gave the info to the Reapers. The probability of that happening to every bunker across the GALAXY is laughable, especially because without communications, there would be no one to betray others, and considering the neutron purge was the reason only Javik survived, the remaining bunkers would sustain most if not all of the life they were intended to.

"


Eden Prime was designed for this very purpose. The Protheans WERE VERY capable of this.