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[Descy_]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...
 tankier than Krogan Volus, 

Doesnt tanky mean "can take alot of damage"?

iirc the volus cant cant take more damage than a krogan.

And you think I'm joking? Check this out for yourself: http://social.biowar...ndex/15662388/1

oh, that's with shield boost.


shield boost could make an ant tanky.

volus themselves are not tanky.

[Epsilon330]

Can we let this argument die now?
Bioware's already working on ME4. That instantly puts Protheans out of the equation, as reviving the precursor race in MP would mean that they would have to play a role in the next game. And I honestly don't see Bioware pulling that off without some tired old cliche such as cloning or finding another functional bunker.
I've said this before and for the past 8 months. It. Won't. Happen!

[Descy_]

Lathrim wrote...

No. I wouldn't use them at all, just like I treat the Volus.

Also:

Annomander wrote...

Face it OP, including protheans is a silly idea and is never going to happen.

And no number of posts on the about the topic will change that.

This.

no shat up u grumpy lore lubber. 

[Bechter]

Descy_ wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...
 tankier than Krogan Volus, 

Doesnt tanky mean "can take alot of damage"?

iirc the volus cant cant take more damage than a krogan.

And you think I'm joking? Check this out for yourself: http://social.biowar...ndex/15662388/1

oh, that's with shield boost.


shield boost could make an ant tanky.

volus themselves are not tanky.

Krogans are tanky because their fitness tree and Fortfication/Tech armor. Those 2 things could make any character tanky.  Krogans themselves aren't tanky.

See what I did there;)

Modifié par Bechter, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:38 .

[Clayless]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

And you don't find it lore-breaking that a Volus can tank a Brute on Gold?

Because using technology to survive situations that should kill you, like in every situation ever, is somehow considered lore breaking?

Or that I can play as Qurians and Geth, against Geth, on Thessia, even though they were destroyed in my game?

MP is influenced by lore, not TIED to it.

It's based off lore. Not your speciific lore in one of your playthroughs.

Try harder.

Modifié par Robosexual, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:39 .

[LuckyBullet95]

You could Bechter, Adrenaline Rush has a Bonus Power Evolution are Rank 6. You would want to rip your eyes out when you land on White Hazard but it would (at least theoretically) work.

[Dark Tlaloc]

Robosexual wrote...

No I wouldn't. Protheans in multiplayer would be the one thing that would stop me from playing multiplayer and would heavily damage my enjoyment of ME3. If Bioware decided that they don't care about the universe anymore then I would lose all interest in the now pointless MP. It's really, really, not worth sacrificing the story and such a massive part of the universe just for some character skins, it would show that they just don't care about Mass Effect anymore, and frankly either would I.

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

Shepard, the galaxy’s ultimate badass, is underpowered compared to a lot of the kits in MP,

Shepard has 8 powers and can do insane things like Dominate enemies and use Adrenaline Rush and Marksman at the same time. Shepard would eat most of the MP characters for breakfast.

Obviously Shepard has access to more abilities, although he’s
missing some of the more powerful ones. The point isn’t so much whether a lv.
60 Shepard would beat a level 20 Slayer one-on-one, but whether there has been
a power creep in MP (which there has), to the point where the MP characters are
proportionally more powerful in many ways at lv. 20 than Shepard would be, and
certainly have access to a multitude of abilities that he doesn’t (devastator mode,
teleport dodge, etc.).

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Lathrim wrote...

No. I wouldn't use them at all, just like I treat the Volus.

Also:

Annomander wrote...

Face it OP, including protheans is a silly idea and is never going to happen.

And no number of posts on the about the topic will change that.

This.

People have said this about Volus too...


At least Protheans won't be lore-breaking if executed correctly.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Epsilon330 wrote...

Can we let this argument die now?
Bioware's already working on ME4. That instantly puts Protheans out of the equation, as reviving the precursor race in MP would mean that they would have to play a role in the next game. And I honestly don't see Bioware pulling that off without some tired old cliche such as cloning or finding another functional bunker.
I've said this before and for the past 8 months. It. Won't. Happen!

Therefore SPACE MAGIC!!!!

Volus tanking Brutes is lore-friendly right?

[TJLenz]

I'd rather play as a Collector Web and snyc-kill players who wander into me.

[Descy_]

Bechter wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...
 tankier than Krogan Volus, 

Doesnt tanky mean "can take alot of damage"?

iirc the volus cant cant take more damage than a krogan.

And you think I'm joking? Check this out for yourself: http://social.biowar...ndex/15662388/1

oh, that's with shield boost.


shield boost could make an ant tanky.

volus themselves are not tanky.

Krogans are tanky because thier fitness tree and Fortfication and Tech armor. Those 2 things could make any character tanky.  Krogans themselves aren't tanky.

See what I did there;)

Descy_ wrote...

iirc the volus cant take more damage than a krogan.

(insert volus base health and shield here) < (insert krogan base health and shields here)

[Bechter]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

You could Bechter, Adrenaline Rush has a Bonus Power Evolution are Rank 6. You would want to rip your eyes out when you land on White Hazard but it would (at least theoretically) work.

Oh never thought of that TheMightyDoucheGoosh but marksmen is a power that is excluded from being used as part of the bonus power. Look it up.

http://masseffect.wi...Adrenaline_Rush

Modifié par Bechter, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:44 .

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

And you don't find it lore-breaking that a Volus can tank a Brute on Gold?

Because using technology to survive situations that should kill you, like in every situation ever, is somehow considered lore breaking?

Or that I can play as Qurians and Geth, against Geth, on Thessia, even though they were destroyed in my game?

MP is influenced by lore, not TIED to it.

It's based off lore. Not your speciific lore in one of your playthroughs.

Try harder.

I don't need to try harder, as your arguements are fallacious in result of your desperation.

[toonactor]

I don't quite understand why people still think MP isn't tied to the lore. Bioware said long ago that multiplayer is tied to the lore of SP, and every operation and character kit added have had some lore explanation so that it fits into the story. People also shouldn't mix up certain gameplay mechanics with lore either, like a volus being able to take on brutes, or being able to stand back up after being stabbed by a phantom after the wave is done. If Bioware was 100% realistic with lore and gameplay mechanics then this game would be much harder and wouldn't be very fun.

However, as far as protheans go it wouldn't be impossible for Bioware to add them as long as they provide a decent enough lore explanation for them. This would be rather difficult though because of the Javik storyline. What makes Javiks story so compelling is the fact that he is the last known living Prothean in existence. It would be odd to have hordes of Protheans fighting in multiplayer and not have Javik know about it or acknowledge it in game. So I find it highly unlikely that they would add Protheans to multiplayer since it would conflict with Javik.

[Clayless]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

And you don't find it lore-breaking that a Volus can tank a Brute on Gold?

Because using technology to survive situations that should kill you, like in every situation ever, is somehow considered lore breaking?

Or that I can play as Qurians and Geth, against Geth, on Thessia, even though they were destroyed in my game?

MP is influenced by lore, not TIED to it.

It's based off lore. Not your speciific lore in one of your playthroughs.

Try harder.

I don't need to try harder, as your arguements are fallacious in result of your desperation.

That's not how these things work, simply dismissing something with no explination doesn't actually dismiss it.

In other words, going "lol no" isn't how you win debates. Until you actually counter my points they still stand.

Modifié par Robosexual, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:47 .

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

toonactor wrote...

I don't quite understand why people still think MP isn't tied to the lore. Bioware said long ago that multiplayer is tied to the lore of SP, and every operation and character kit added have had some lore explanation so that it fits into the story. People also shouldn't mix up certain gameplay mechanics with lore either, like a volus being able to take on brutes, or being able to stand back up after being stabbed by a phantom after the wave is done. If Bioware was 100% realistic with lore and gameplay mechanics then this game would be much harder and wouldn't be very fun.

However, as far as protheans go it wouldn't be impossible for Bioware to add them as long as they provide a decent enough lore explanation for them. This would be rather difficult though because of the Javik storyline. What makes Javiks story so compelling is the fact that he is the last known living Prothean in existence. It would be odd to have hordes of Protheans fighting in multiplayer and not have Javik know about it or acknowledge it in game. So I find it highly unlikely that they would add Protheans to multiplayer since it would conflict with Javik.

Having a squad of Protheans changes nothing, they will still be extinct. Furthermore, due to the nature of all covert operations, the public will likely never even hear of them. Pro-theans can get their Protheans in MP, and Protheans as a race remain extinct.

No lore is broken.


For the Empire!

[Dark Tlaloc]

toonactor wrote...

I don't quite understand why people still think MP isn't tied to the lore. Bioware said long ago that multiplayer is tied to the lore of SP, and every operation and character kit added have had some lore explanation so that it fits into the story. People also shouldn't mix up certain gameplay mechanics with lore either, like a volus being able to take on brutes, or being able to stand back up after being stabbed by a phantom after the wave is done. If Bioware was 100% realistic with lore and gameplay mechanics then this game would be much harder and wouldn't be very fun.

However, as far as protheans go it wouldn't be impossible for Bioware to add them as long as they provide a decent enough lore explanation for them. This would be rather difficult though because of the Javik storyline. What makes Javiks story so compelling is the fact that he is the last known living Prothean in existence. It would be odd to have hordes of Protheans fighting in multiplayer and not have Javik know about it or acknowledge it in game. So I find it highly unlikely that they would add Protheans to multiplayer since it would conflict with Javik.

I think this is the basic point of the pro-Prothean argument
though, isn’t it? I know it’s the basis of my own argument for them.

 

At the end of the day, will Bioware include them? I don’t
know; is it likely? Maybe not. But to say that it’s impossible is simply
willfully ignorant (and I don’t mean that to be insulting, but it is definitely
a conscious choice). If Bioware wants, they can write anything in the world,
and there is enough space in the lore/narrative for them to tweak it to include
a few more Protheans.

 

The issue is WILL they
include Protheans, not can they. Of course they can, but who knows if they
will.

[LuckyBullet95]

Bechter wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

You could Bechter, Adrenaline Rush has a Bonus Power Evolution are Rank 6. You would want to rip your eyes out when you land on White Hazard but it would (at least theoretically) work.

Oh never thought of that TheMightyDoucheGoosh but marksmen is a power that is excluded from being used as part of the bonus power. Look it up.

http://masseffect.wi...Adrenaline_Rush

I did say Theoretically. I tend to avoid the Wiki for obvious reasons, kinda figured something like this would be there in case of balancing mechanics. I had no idea Shepard could use Marksman...

[boomshaquanda]

 Dude no everyone would stop playing forever. OKUPY BIOWER NO VOLUSEANS!

[boomshaquanda]

toonactor wrote...

I don't quite understand why people still think MP isn't tied to the lore. Bioware said long ago that multiplayer is tied to the lore of SP, and every operation and character kit added have had some lore explanation so that it fits into the story. People also shouldn't mix up certain gameplay mechanics with lore either, like a volus being able to take on brutes, or being able to stand back up after being stabbed by a phantom after the wave is done. If Bioware was 100% realistic with lore and gameplay mechanics then this game would be much harder and wouldn't be very fun.

However, as far as protheans go it wouldn't be impossible for Bioware to add them as long as they provide a decent enough lore explanation for them. This would be rather difficult though because of the Javik storyline. What makes Javiks story so compelling is the fact that he is the last known living Prothean in existence. It would be odd to have hordes of Protheans fighting in multiplayer and not have Javik know about it or acknowledge it in game. So I find it highly unlikely that they would add Protheans to multiplayer since it would conflict with Javik.

Their/our universe will end eventually. I mean, the ENTIRE UNIVERSE WILL BE EXTINCT eventually. No universe=no biower 

[Bechter]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Bechter wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

You could Bechter, Adrenaline Rush has a Bonus Power Evolution are Rank 6. You would want to rip your eyes out when you land on White Hazard but it would (at least theoretically) work.

Oh never thought of that TheMightyDoucheGoosh but marksmen is a power that is excluded from being used as part of the bonus power. Look it up.

http://masseffect.wi...Adrenaline_Rush

I did say Theoretically. I tend to avoid the Wiki for obvious reasons, kinda figured something like this would be there in case of balancing mechanics. I had no idea Shepard could use Marksman...

Well theoretically you're wrong (guess thats why the bonus says "offensive power" and don't correct me in threads. Even if I am flat out wrong you should back me up till the bitter end. A gooshland divided can not stand!

I also tried this in single player myself before i commented. I suggest you have evidence before you make statements. I would love if they reworked multiplayer and had a kit with both powers (that both could be activated) but it would never happen. It would make both the vanilla humans and turian soldier obsolete upon release.

Modifié par Bechter, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:57 .

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

And you don't find it lore-breaking that a Volus can tank a Brute on Gold?

Because using technology to survive situations that should kill you, like in every situation ever, is somehow considered lore breaking?

Or that I can play as Qurians and Geth, against Geth, on Thessia, even though they were destroyed in my game?

MP is influenced by lore, not TIED to it.

It's based off lore. Not your speciific lore in one of your playthroughs.

Try harder.

I don't need to try harder, as your arguements are fallacious in result of your desperation.

That's not how these things work, simply dismissing something with no explination doesn't actually dismiss it.

In other words, going "lol no" isn't how you win debates. Until you actually counter my points they still stand.

Point #1: Please explain how Volus using Space Magic which no other race has access to is lore friendly. By using their "survival tech" they can become more durable than a Krogan? More durable than a BRUTE? Are you seriously in denial here? You don't see the problem with established inept-at-combat race having space magic technology that allows them to be practically invincable. Meanwhile A Krogan using advanced technology and biotics still cannot tank that hard.


Point #2: And who are YOU to dictate that BioWare has made YOUR ending with Quarians and Geth allied ESTABLISHED CANON? I wonder. Oh right, you can just manipulate it to try and put my arguement down. Right!

MP is based off of lore. Not word for word in stone, it's a rough intrepation. Like, for example, combat Volus that can tank a Brute for several minutes, flawlessly.

You do not dictate the lore, BioWare does. And if they decide to add Protheans, you are going to have to deal with it.

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:00 .

[capn233]

I would make sure to target any Possessed Abominations near Prothean teammates.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

capn233 wrote...

I would make sure to target any Possessed Abominations near Prothean teammates.

I will be sure not to stain my hands revivng you primitives.

[UnknownMercenary]

I wonder if Protheans will call their teammates primitives for friendly fire.