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[Asebstos]

kipac wrote...

You should've just posted this in the comment of that 'poll' thread instead of making anoter thread about this.

[Andy379]

Annomander wrote...

Face it OP, including protheans is a silly idea and is never going to happen.

And no number of posts on the about the topic will change that.

Bless this post.

[Clayless]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Point #1: Please explain how Volus using Space Magic which no other race has access to is lore friendly. By using their "survival tech" they can become more durable than a Krogan? More durable than a BRUTE? Are you seriously in denial here? You don't see the problem with established inept-at-combat race having space magic technology that allows them to be practically invincable. Meanwhile A Krogan using advanced technology and biotics still cannot tank that hard.

You talking about shield boost, and possibly his heavy melee shield. As we see in the story, mass effect fields can be manipulated to protect from damage all the time, biotics do it frequently. Shields boost simply restores shields using technology. In other words, the lore is the Volus can use technology to survive situations that would otherwise kill them, like everyone in every situation ever.

Saying they can survive unrealistic things means you don't understand seperation of gameplay and story, which is why Liara can survive having her stomach ripped out in gameplay but something like that would clearly kill her in the story.

Not lore breaking.

Point #2: And who are YOU to dictate that BioWare has made YOUR ending with Quarians and Geth allied ESTABLISHED CANON? I wonder. Oh right, you can just manipulate it to try and put my arguement down. Right!

What? Trying to pretend I'm saying the exact opposite of what you quoted doesn't mean I am. In fact I pointed out Bioware base multiplayer off the lore, not your specific lore in one of your playthroughs. To clarify, that doesn't mean I'm saying they're basing it off one of my specific playthroughs, but I'm assuming you already know that.

MP is based off of lore. Not word for word in stone, it's a rough intrepation. Like, for example, combat Volus that can tank a Brute for several minutes, flawlessly.

You do not dictate the lore, BioWare does. And if they decide to add Protheans, you are going to have to deal with it.

I honestly have no idea where you're getting the idea that I'm dictating anything. You're simply saying that multiplayer is based off the lore (what I said) and trying to pretend I was saying the opposite.

As you can see from your first example (your second one was just agreeing with me) it doesn't break the story, unlike hundreds or thousands of Protheans suddenly appearing and no one mentioning it.

Modifié par Robosexual, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:17 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Bechter wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Bechter wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

You could Bechter, Adrenaline Rush has a Bonus Power Evolution are Rank 6. You would want to rip your eyes out when you land on White Hazard but it would (at least theoretically) work.

Oh never thought of that TheMightyDoucheGoosh but marksmen is a power that is excluded from being used as part of the bonus power. Look it up.

http://masseffect.wi...Adrenaline_Rush

I did say Theoretically. I tend to avoid the Wiki for obvious reasons, kinda figured something like this would be there in case of balancing mechanics. I had no idea Shepard could use Marksman...

Well theoretically you're wrong (guess thats why the bonus says "offensive power" and don't correct me in threads. Even if I am flat out wrong you should back me up till the bitter end. A gooshland divided can not stand!

I also tried this in single player myself before i commented. I suggest you have evidence before you make statements. I would love if they reworked multiplayer and had a kit with both powers (that both could be activated) but it would never happen. It would make both the vanilla humans and turian soldier obsolete upon release.

First of all I'm not going to defend something that's wrong. RELIX would call you out, AreleX would call you out, if something's wrong then you need to be corrected. Second of all I played throguh the ME3 SP Campaign twice, ocne as an Engineer and once as a Vanguard, I had no clue Marksman was a usable power (didn't expect it to be given how powerful it is) and didn't think about ever using it on my power oriented classes so didn't bother researching, so to my knowledge (up until now) I didn't think you could test it, Sorry for thinking you missed a detail...

[Nitrocuban]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I wonder if Protheans will call their teammates primitives for friendly fire.

I hope so.

[doozerdude]

Annomander wrote...

Face it OP, including protheans is a silly idea and is never going to happen.

And no number of posts on the about the topic will change that.

^

[DullahansXMark]

This thread amuses me. Father Superior seems to be the only person for Protheans who can actually argue coherently (at least, the ones that do argue). As a matter of fact, the only good arguments I've seen in this thread are from him, and he's not even here.

But seriously, it'll never happen. Not because it's impossible (it certainly is entirely possible they could be brought back), but because it's artistically the most stupid thing they could possibly do. No amount of "time for a little payback" or "they were brought back to life by the cloning machines they stored with their stasis pods" could justify completely obliterating the overall message of the entire series.

I mean, let's use an outside example. At the end of Metal Gear Solid 4 (SPOILERS INCOMING), Snake only has about a year to live because of his accelerated aging. He wanted to honor Big Boss' last wish for him and just live his life as a man, and not a soldier. Because in one year, he was going to be dead. Three years later, Raiden has a run-in with a cyborg PMC named Desperado in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. If they were to use similar logic, then: Raiden would find out that he's no match for these guys by himself. He talks to Otacon about this, who then proceeds to clone Solid Snake to create someone who can fight alongside Raiden. The basic gist of this example is: Is it possible? Yes. But it comes at a heavy cost of eliminating one of the things that made MGS4 so epic, just to bring back a character that everyone likes. (Never mind the fact that Solid Snake is himself a clone. That was, in fact, a part of the narrative long before we even really got to know Big Boss, and it was done for a different purpose.)

Modifié par DullahansXMark, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:49 .

[ManRightChea]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

What’s interesting to me is that it seems like the majority of people against Protheans in MP are so against because it messes up lore in SP. The reason I think this is interesting, is because I’ve never cared too much about lore in multiplayer. I say this because I already think MP is a little more loose with lore than SP (the N7 characters, the plethora of Justicars, the Cerberus defectors, fighting the Collectors faction, and just the general level of power the characters have), so the idea of a few Protheans running around in MP doesn’t bother me. I mean, Shepard, the galaxy’s ultimate badass, is underpowered compared to a lot of the kits in MP, but we know that’s just for MP balancing reasons. Either way, I feel like as long as there is a decent reason for finding a few Protheans alive (maybe the same thing that happened to Javik happened to 3 other protheans across multiple galaxies?), it doesn’t hurt SP lore any more than any of the other things already in MP.

Volus characters being among the tankiest characters in the game? Hell, that’s pretty crazy.

Indeed, but the stubborn will remain stubborn. But alas, when Prothean return, they will rage and rage like children in a tantrum. In a week  the rage will end. Just as it was with the lore-breaking tankier than Krogan Volus, so it will be for the lore-friendly Prothean squad!


For the Empire!

You sure have alot of damn nerve to say others rage like children when you continually make these threads, and then get pissed off and throw veiled insults at people because they refuse to adopt your point of view. I like how you went back to ninja edit in responses to posts I had earlier made to you to make it seem as if I had not acknowledged them.

You act like a child.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Not interested in having protheans in MP. Never was, never will be.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Point #1: Please explain how Volus using Space Magic which no other race has access to is lore friendly. By using their "survival tech" they can become more durable than a Krogan? More durable than a BRUTE? Are you seriously in denial here? You don't see the problem with established inept-at-combat race having space magic technology that allows them to be practically invincable. Meanwhile A Krogan using advanced technology and biotics still cannot tank that hard.

You talking about shield boost, and possibly his heavy melee shield. As we see in the story, mass effect fields can be manipulated to protect from damage all the time, biotics do it frequently. Shields boost simply restores shields using technology. In other words, the lore is the Volus can use technology to survive situations that would otherwise kill them, like everyone in every situation ever.

Saying they can survive unrealistic things means you don't understand seperation of gameplay and story, which is why Liara can survive having her stomach ripped out in gameplay but something like that would clearly kill her in the story.

Not lore breaking.

Point #2: And who are YOU to dictate that BioWare has made YOUR ending with Quarians and Geth allied ESTABLISHED CANON? I wonder. Oh right, you can just manipulate it to try and put my arguement down. Right!

What? Trying to pretend I'm saying the exact opposite of what you quoted doesn't mean I am. In fact I pointed out Bioware base multiplayer off the lore, not your specific lore in one of your playthroughs. To clarify, that doesn't mean I'm saying they're basing it off one of my specific playthroughs, but I'm assuming you already know that.

MP is based off of lore. Not word for word in stone, it's a rough intrepation. Like, for example, combat Volus that can tank a Brute for several minutes, flawlessly.

You do not dictate the lore, BioWare does. And if they decide to add Protheans, you are going to have to deal with it.

I honestly have no idea where you're getting the idea that I'm dictating anything. You're simply saying that multiplayer is based off the lore (what I said) and trying to pretend I was saying the opposite.

As you can see from your first example (your second one was just agreeing with me) it doesn't break the story, unlike hundreds or thousands of Protheans suddenly appearing and no one mentioning it.

Agreed.

4-8 Protheans will suffice. It's all that is needed. UR rare card. A few cloned/stasis/whatever will not destroy the lore. Protheans will STILL be extinct.

No one has to know about it. N7 missions are classified.

[Bechter]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...
First of all I'm not going to defend something that's wrong. RELIX would call you out, AreleX would call you out, if something's wrong then you need to be corrected. Second of all I played throguh the ME3 SP Campaign twice, ocne as an Engineer and once as a Vanguard, I had no clue Marksman was a usable power (didn't expect it to be given how powerful it is) and didn't think about ever using it on my power oriented classes so didn't bother researching, so to my knowledge (up until now) I didn't think you could test it, Sorry for thinking you missed a detail...

First off take a joke. It was all in good fun. :happy:

Also yes Relix and AreleX would call me out if I went around posting nonsense that was incorrect. They would also have done their research before "calling me out". They wouldn't try correcting someone without facts and in game testing to back it up.

Modifié par Bechter, 25 janvier 2013 - 08:19 .

[ManRightChea]

The real races I would be interested in seeing in MP are those that are pretty much impossible for game mechanics reasons, i.e Rachni, Hanar, Elcor, Raloi etc.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

ManRightChea wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

What’s interesting to me is that it seems like the majority of people against Protheans in MP are so against because it messes up lore in SP. The reason I think this is interesting, is because I’ve never cared too much about lore in multiplayer. I say this because I already think MP is a little more loose with lore than SP (the N7 characters, the plethora of Justicars, the Cerberus defectors, fighting the Collectors faction, and just the general level of power the characters have), so the idea of a few Protheans running around in MP doesn’t bother me. I mean, Shepard, the galaxy’s ultimate badass, is underpowered compared to a lot of the kits in MP, but we know that’s just for MP balancing reasons. Either way, I feel like as long as there is a decent reason for finding a few Protheans alive (maybe the same thing that happened to Javik happened to 3 other protheans across multiple galaxies?), it doesn’t hurt SP lore any more than any of the other things already in MP.

Volus characters being among the tankiest characters in the game? Hell, that’s pretty crazy.

Indeed, but the stubborn will remain stubborn. But alas, when Prothean return, they will rage and rage like children in a tantrum. In a week  the rage will end. Just as it was with the lore-breaking tankier than Krogan Volus, so it will be for the lore-friendly Prothean squad!


For the Empire!

You sure have alot of damn nerve to say others rage like children when you continually make these threads, and then get pissed off and throw veiled insults at people because they refuse to adopt your point of view. I like how you went back to ninja edit in responses to posts I had earlier made to you to make it seem as if I had not acknowledged them.

You act like a child.

No ninja responses here. I usually edit my obscene typos. I am rather dull with a keyboard.

No veiled insults either. Your blatant false accusations are amusing. Hypocritical even.


Pissed off? No my friend, I am exalted. I feel the return of our Empire is emminent!


For the Empire!

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 25 janvier 2013 - 08:09 .

[Clayless]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Agreed.

4-8 Protheans will suffice. It's all that is needed. UR rare card. A few cloned/stasis/whatever will not destroy the lore. Protheans will STILL be extinct.

No one has to know about it. N7 missions are classified.

The Shadow Broker/Prothean expert would, therefore Shepard and Javik would.

And the multiplayer characters, except for the N7 ones, aren't N7.

[Catastrophy]

ManRightChea wrote...

dr_random wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

What you guys fail to understand, is that if Bioware were to retconn the 50,000 year old eradication of the Protheans via the Reapers, it would shake the very foundation of Mass Effect and put the franchises future in jeopardy in many ways. The Protheans have always been the center stone to what the galaxy should fear in regards to the Reapers and their capability.

Lore is very important, it would be the equivalent of bringing the Dwemer back in Elder Scrolls. Certain aspects of gaming franchises, especially RPGs are held sacred.

You fail to understand that many MPlayers don't care about what you perceive as the foundation of Mass Effect. I'd say the gameplay is the cornerstone of Multiplayer and not Lore. Lore is SP, Prothean DLC is MP. Some can distinguish the two and live with that.

Bioware has stated that the operations we do on MP are effectively linked with real SP lore. There is an important relationship to be maintained there. Unless BW decides to somehow retconn the eradication, their appearance in MP is not gonna happen.

They would either have to completely sever that relationship, or retconn it via DLC.

Fine by me. Honestly, I don't care about Protheans. If they're fun to play with - I'll play them. I get that people like to keep their experiece coherent but to me, lore and codices feel just like a stick up my rear when I'm going for entertainment.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Agreed.

4-8 Protheans will suffice. It's all that is needed. UR rare card. A few cloned/stasis/whatever will not destroy the lore. Protheans will STILL be extinct.

No one has to know about it. N7 missions are classified.

The Shadow Broker/Prothean expert would, therefore Shepard and Javik would.

And the multiplayer characters, except for the N7 ones, aren't N7.

They're still considered N7. Morale, simplicity, etc. Does it really matter?


They wouldn't know. They are not omnipotent.

[Chameleonbot]

Nope. Nope. Nope.

I'd probably be done with ME3 Multiplayer. (Unless they gave us Female Turians in the same pack, but either way I would still be disappointed.)
BioWare are on the verge of not supporting this game anymore so I wouldn't care less about it.

Space Jamaicans don't really interest me.

Also regarding what people have said about hypocrites with Volus.
I've unlocked every single one of them and I loathe them all entirely for being utterly useless classes.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Chameleonbot wrote...

Nope. Nope. Nope.

I'd probably be done with ME3 Multiplayer. (Unless they gave us Female Turians in the same pack, but either way I would still be disappointed.)
BioWare are on the verge of not supporting this game anymore so I wouldn't care less about it.

Space Jamaicans don't really interest me.

Also regarding what people have said about hypocrites with Volus.
I've unlocked every single one of them and I loathe them all entirely for being utterly useless classes.

Nigerian... It's a NIGERIAN accent.


You primitives...


/nitpick

[Dark Tlaloc]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Agreed.

4-8 Protheans will suffice. It's all that is needed. UR rare card. A few cloned/stasis/whatever will not destroy the lore. Protheans will STILL be extinct.

No one has to know about it. N7 missions are classified.

The Shadow Broker/Prothean expert would, therefore Shepard and Javik would.

And the multiplayer characters, except for the N7 ones, aren't N7.

They're still considered N7. Morale, simplicity, etc. Does it really matter?


They wouldn't know. They are not omnipotent.

Sure Liara would know, unless Bioware decided to write in
Liara saying “oops! I was too busy getting shot at by Cerberus troops and
stomped by Reapers to notice one of my contacts sending me info about faint
life signs on this outpost super far from here.”

 

My point isn’t that that’s a good excuse, it's just that anything’s
possible. I think it makes more sense to debate the idea that Protheans dilute the
SP narrative than it does to argue the logistics of them still existing in the
universe. 

Modifié par Dark Tlaloc, 25 janvier 2013 - 08:18 .

[ManRightChea]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

What’s interesting to me is that it seems like the majority of people against Protheans in MP are so against because it messes up lore in SP. The reason I think this is interesting, is because I’ve never cared too much about lore in multiplayer. I say this because I already think MP is a little more loose with lore than SP (the N7 characters, the plethora of Justicars, the Cerberus defectors, fighting the Collectors faction, and just the general level of power the characters have), so the idea of a few Protheans running around in MP doesn’t bother me. I mean, Shepard, the galaxy’s ultimate badass, is underpowered compared to a lot of the kits in MP, but we know that’s just for MP balancing reasons. Either way, I feel like as long as there is a decent reason for finding a few Protheans alive (maybe the same thing that happened to Javik happened to 3 other protheans across multiple galaxies?), it doesn’t hurt SP lore any more than any of the other things already in MP.

Volus characters being among the tankiest characters in the game? Hell, that’s pretty crazy.

Indeed, but the stubborn will remain stubborn. But alas, when Prothean return, they will rage and rage like children in a tantrum. In a week  the rage will end. Just as it was with the lore-breaking tankier than Krogan Volus, so it will be for the lore-friendly Prothean squad!


For the Empire!

You sure have alot of damn nerve to say others rage like children when you continually make these threads, and then get pissed off and throw veiled insults at people because they refuse to adopt your point of view. I like how you went back to ninja edit in responses to posts I had earlier made to you to make it seem as if I had not acknowledged them.

You act like a child.

No ninja responses here. I usually edit my obscene typos. I am rather dull with a keyboard.

No veiled insults either. Your blatant false accusations are amusing. Hypocritical even.


Pissed off? No my friend, I am exalted. I feel the return of our Empire is emminent!


For the Empire!

You're a liar is what you are. On page 2 you edited in a response to a post I made and asked if I had "ignorantly missed" your rebuttal.  You accused someon arguing with you of being "in denial" in regards to the Volus.  You called a posters correct info fallicious when describing the BW confirmed link between MP and SP.

So not only are you childish and bullheaded, but also a liar to boot.

[Ashevajak]

Despite being somewhat opposed to Protheans in MP, I would still quite probably play them.

I'd feel kinda guilty and shameful about it, though.

[Clayless]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The Shadow Broker/Prothean expert would, therefore Shepard and Javik would.

And the multiplayer characters, except for the N7 ones, aren't N7.

They're still considered N7. Morale, simplicity, etc. Does it really matter?


They wouldn't know. They are not omnipotent.

It matters in regards to N7 operations being classified.

As for the second part, there's a difference between omnipotence and the Shadow Broker/Prothean expert and leader of the Alliance/Crucible project director not knowing about or mentioning the Protheans that happen to be running around the galaxy, and helping in alliance operations, to Shepard or the other Prothean.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

ManRightChea wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

What’s interesting to me is that it seems like the majority of people against Protheans in MP are so against because it messes up lore in SP. The reason I think this is interesting, is because I’ve never cared too much about lore in multiplayer. I say this because I already think MP is a little more loose with lore than SP (the N7 characters, the plethora of Justicars, the Cerberus defectors, fighting the Collectors faction, and just the general level of power the characters have), so the idea of a few Protheans running around in MP doesn’t bother me. I mean, Shepard, the galaxy’s ultimate badass, is underpowered compared to a lot of the kits in MP, but we know that’s just for MP balancing reasons. Either way, I feel like as long as there is a decent reason for finding a few Protheans alive (maybe the same thing that happened to Javik happened to 3 other protheans across multiple galaxies?), it doesn’t hurt SP lore any more than any of the other things already in MP.

Volus characters being among the tankiest characters in the game? Hell, that’s pretty crazy.

Indeed, but the stubborn will remain stubborn. But alas, when Prothean return, they will rage and rage like children in a tantrum. In a week  the rage will end. Just as it was with the lore-breaking tankier than Krogan Volus, so it will be for the lore-friendly Prothean squad!


For the Empire!

You sure have alot of damn nerve to say others rage like children when you continually make these threads, and then get pissed off and throw veiled insults at people because they refuse to adopt your point of view. I like how you went back to ninja edit in responses to posts I had earlier made to you to make it seem as if I had not acknowledged them.

You act like a child.

No ninja responses here. I usually edit my obscene typos. I am rather dull with a keyboard.

No veiled insults either. Your blatant false accusations are amusing. Hypocritical even.


Pissed off? No my friend, I am exalted. I feel the return of our Empire is emminent!


For the Empire!

You're a liar is what you are. On page 2 you edited in a response to a post I made and asked if I had "ignorantly missed" your rebuttal.  You accused someon arguing with you of being "in denial" in regards to the Volus.  You called a posters correct info fallicious when describing the BW confirmed link between MP and SP.

So not only are you childish and bullheaded, but also a liar to boot.

A liar?


And I proceeded to debate with that individual without resorting to name-calling and accusations of which you are fond of doing. You are a hypocrite.


You are obviously a troll, I'm just going to ignore you. Sorry, but I'm not interested in exchanging personal insults and engaging in a flame war. Have a good day.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Robosexual wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The Shadow Broker/Prothean expert would, therefore Shepard and Javik would.

And the multiplayer characters, except for the N7 ones, aren't N7.

They're still considered N7. Morale, simplicity, etc. Does it really matter?


They wouldn't know. They are not omnipotent.

It matters in regards to N7 operations being classified.

As for the second part, there's a difference between omnipotence and the Shadow Broker/Prothean expert and leader of the Alliance/Crucible project director not knowing about or mentioning the Protheans that happen to be running around the galaxy, and helping in alliance operations, to Shepard or the other Prothean.

She did not know about Javik in Eden Prime. It was Cerberus that found them. The Shadow Broker does not know everything. It is not unreasonable to believe that there is a bunker/clone project./whatever that the Shadow Broker-now Liara would not know about. They are not omnipotent. It's a big galaxy, and BioWare can make it work.

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 25 janvier 2013 - 08:31 .

[ManRightChea]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

What’s interesting to me is that it seems like the majority of people against Protheans in MP are so against because it messes up lore in SP. The reason I think this is interesting, is because I’ve never cared too much about lore in multiplayer. I say this because I already think MP is a little more loose with lore than SP (the N7 characters, the plethora of Justicars, the Cerberus defectors, fighting the Collectors faction, and just the general level of power the characters have), so the idea of a few Protheans running around in MP doesn’t bother me. I mean, Shepard, the galaxy’s ultimate badass, is underpowered compared to a lot of the kits in MP, but we know that’s just for MP balancing reasons. Either way, I feel like as long as there is a decent reason for finding a few Protheans alive (maybe the same thing that happened to Javik happened to 3 other protheans across multiple galaxies?), it doesn’t hurt SP lore any more than any of the other things already in MP.

Volus characters being among the tankiest characters in the game? Hell, that’s pretty crazy.

Indeed, but the stubborn will remain stubborn. But alas, when Prothean return, they will rage and rage like children in a tantrum. In a week  the rage will end. Just as it was with the lore-breaking tankier than Krogan Volus, so it will be for the lore-friendly Prothean squad!


For the Empire!

You sure have alot of damn nerve to say others rage like children when you continually make these threads, and then get pissed off and throw veiled insults at people because they refuse to adopt your point of view. I like how you went back to ninja edit in responses to posts I had earlier made to you to make it seem as if I had not acknowledged them.

You act like a child.

No ninja responses here. I usually edit my obscene typos. I am rather dull with a keyboard.

No veiled insults either. Your blatant false accusations are amusing. Hypocritical even.


Pissed off? No my friend, I am exalted. I feel the return of our Empire is emminent!


For the Empire!

You're a liar is what you are. On page 2 you edited in a response to a post I made and asked if I had "ignorantly missed" your rebuttal.  You accused someon arguing with you of being "in denial" in regards to the Volus.  You called a posters correct info fallicious when describing the BW confirmed link between MP and SP.

So not only are you childish and bullheaded, but also a liar to boot.

A liar?


And I proceeded to debate with that individual without resorting to name-calling and accusations of which you are fond of doing. You are a hypocrite.


You are obviously a troll, I'm just going to ignore you. Sorry, but I'm not interested in exchanging personal insults and engaging in a flame war. Have a good day.

Post my name calling and insults for me to see. You are a liar, plain and simple.  Go ahead and put your fingers in your ears like any mature person engaging in a debate.