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[ruggly]

Mr.House wrote...
Hell, you can hug him with a Paragon Interrupt when you see him again on Earth...

wait, what? I have never seen that interrupt.

[Shepard108278]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Yeah, I was watching it and thinking: "hmm this space battle is pretty good for a fan mod."

And then they go get Shepard in the shuttle while he's standing on a superweapon that's about to fire.....


Yes....SOOO much more believable than the Extended Cut endings......not


It's pretty bad. But everybody has their tastes.

Agreed I think it was a good attempt but I much prefer the EC. I think the EC is miles better and fine for an ending.

[WarrantyVoider]

I so wanted to avoid posting here, but I got to say this: If we (fob,me, all the others) dont like something, we dont go in a forum and complain about it, we actually do something against it and changed it. Even if you dont like the mod, you could have at least said thanks that Fob shared it all in the first place, he could have kept it for him too! Also if you dont like it, why dont YOU change it? My tools are free to everyone and also there are tutorials about customizing mehem. So wheres your anti-mehem mod? whers your idea of an good ending? why dont YOU show us how you would have done it? what have you done so far except complaining? We are no gods that change stuff because only WE can do it, we can do it because we WANT it, we wanted it so hard and sticked to it so long, that we actually succeded! And this is just the beginning of me3 modding! So stop complainign about free stuff and instead start your own mod, it seems to have demand as I see all the ppl that agree with you. We are no enemys, we should work together... just my 2 cents...
greetz WV

[Spiritwolf1]

here here!!!

[Iakus]

WarrantyVoider wrote...

I so wanted to avoid posting here, but I got to say this: If we (fob,me, all the others) dont like something, we dont go in a forum and complain about it, we actually do something against it and changed it. Even if you dont like the mod, you could have at least said thanks that Fob shared it all in the first place, he could have kept it for him too! Also if you dont like it, why dont YOU change it? My tools are free to everyone and also there are tutorials about customizing mehem. So wheres your anti-mehem mod? whers your idea of an good ending? why dont YOU show us how you would have done it? what have you done so far except complaining? We are no gods that change stuff because only WE can do it, we can do it because we WANT it, we wanted it so hard and sticked to it so long, that we actually succeded! And this is just the beginning of me3 modding! So stop complainign about free stuff and instead start your own mod, it seems to have demand as I see all the ppl that agree with you. We are no enemys, we should work together... just my 2 cents...
greetz WV

Don't let them get to you.  These are people who liked the endings, and any attempt to provide something different for others to enjoy seems to cause them physical pain.

[jstme]

I liked MEHEM. It is not pretentious ,it is not vague and above all it is not there to create speculations from everyone but to end the story in fitting way.
It is really simplistic hero journey type of ending that fits into ME trilogy like a glove because up to last few minutes the story of ME was a simplistic hero journey.
As for thought provoking or mysterious metaphysical qualities of original/EC endings - ideas in those endings are not original and the whole vagueness that you mistake for metaphysical wisdom actually blurs those ideas so you might not recognize them from elsewhere.
Is MEHEM perfect? Surely not. Creator of MEHEM actually made different mod that he likes more - MEEM. You can check it out.
To me MEHEM ,again, fits ME universe. Original pretentious pseudo-intellectual endings do not fit it one bit.

[Iakus]

jstme wrote...
To me MEHEM ,again, fits ME universe. Original pretentious pseudo-intellectual endings do not fit it one bit.

Indeed.

You don't stick Solaris at the end of Star Wars and call it "art"

[Iakus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I thought the CGI was hilariously awful, with the different backgrounds very obvious. Also, the German ship, whatever its name was, sounded very very fake.

I did think the actual scene, with Shepard actually kissing his/her LI, was a nice touch. Getting into the animations there.

MEHEM is still in beta, the stuff you're describing is still work in progress (the ship is the cruiser SSV Nuremberg, btw)  Notice the current vcersion is v0.2.

But yes, the memorial scene and the embrace (don't believe it's a kiss, just a hug) is the big thing, what is most sorely missed from any of the standard endings.  

[cmessaz]

I don't usually post in these kinds of forums, but as a modder I felt the need to speak up. I will never understand people's need to ****** in other people's cheerios like this. It's a mod, made by a fan of the series. If you don't like it, DON'T DOWNLOAD IT. Even post criticism in the appropriate place, if it's constructive. But creating a whole new thread to talk about how much you disliked it? Whether you like it or not, the MEHEM crew have put a ton of time into this, for free, in their spare time. I mean you don't have to go praise them or anything, but at least have enough respect just to smile and nod and move on. Trust me it isn't hard, I do it all the time (ever been to Skyrim nexus?)

Modifié par cmessaz, 26 janvier 2013 - 10:05 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

So...what exactly are the point of these threads and posts besides attempting to discouraging and belittling the makers of MEHEM?

[Mad-Hamlet]

Faust1979 wrote...
I prefer the metaphysical thought provoking dark but kinda happy endings.

AAAnnnndd...we all know you don't know what you're talking about beCAUSE....

Metaphyics doesn't even come into it.

At all.

Ever.

In fact, I'm fairly positive that The Reapers are pretty much the least existentisal bunch ever.

And I quote: We simply are.

So much for epistemology, ontology, natural theology, and universal science then.

So while you enjoyed the thought provoking ending- my thoughts were provoked; they told me they thought it sucked-  you didn't gain any metaphysical enjoyment.

Modifié par Mad-Hamlet, 27 janvier 2013 - 12:24 .

[TMZuk]

MEHEM may be sugarcoated, overly happy, predicatable and linear.

But at least it makes sense. The endings... everything after TIM's death is pure garbage. If it's thought provoking, it because you don't think.

1. There's no hint of the existence of the Starbrat in any of the prior installments, nor in ME3. He a spirit summoned from a bottle. A djinn in a lamp. He is smoke and air.

2. He speaks so much utter BS. "We have to destroy organics in a terryfying horrendous manner, or they will be dstroyed in a terryfying, horrendous manner." Well, isn't that just dandy?!

"We harvest organics to make them ascend". Uhm,... except all those you do NOT harvest, because you wipe the planet from orbit, or just slaughter them in various manners.

"We acertains that galatic civilizations follows a predetermined pattern, by forcing them to develop in certain way, that makes it easier for us to destroy them"... Really? Uhm.... didn't you just say that we always end up fighting synthetics? Perhaps you should STOP guiding our civilizations along certain patterns then, you imbecillic, moronic brat!

3. A glowboy emerges out of nothing and hands Shepard the power to recreate the galaxy as he see fits. Of course at the price of his life... Yes, this is where I go vomiting. This embarrasing Space-jesus BS is simply to much!

So, sugarcoating, happy, happy ending or no!..... I prefer MEHEM by a million miles!

Modifié par TMZuk, 29 janvier 2013 - 01:29 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I've never understood why people complain about mods. I've seen it on the Nexus forums too. Don't like it? Don't install it.

^This ends the whole thread.

[MrFob]

It may sound strange but I do find this an interesting thread. The creator may not have had this in mind (or maybe s/he did) but this thread provides a platform to compare modded endings to the original. I suppose we could have done that in the original MEHEM thread as well but that one seems more focused on technical aspects and suggestions rather than the discussion of the actual plot. There were a couple of these threads already but most of them got locked (over in the story section) and maybe this one will stay for a while.
Personally, I think that MEHEM fits rather well into the game (actually, when it worked for the first time, I was surprised). Technical issues and the general simplicity (which often is caused by those technical limitations) aside, I always thought that ME could be seen in two ways. One (the renegade way) is very dark and pessimistic (almost nihilistic) and another one (the paragon way) is your classic epic storyline (a space version of the ancient Greek epics for example).
In both cases, I think the original endings do not fit into the story. For the renegade way, the original endings are too happy (because unless you refuse, things always work out rather well in the greater scheme despite the rather drastic and risky choices, whichever one you take). The EC potentiated this problem. At least the endings in the release version could fit this darker, more uncertain story path more or less.
For the paragon way, the blur between villains and heroes that happens at the very end does not fit at all. Mind you, I am not talking about TIM but the star kid. However, TIM is part of the problem here because he always was the classic shady character while the reapers (and by extension the catalyst) were the classic villains, a concept that only got turned around in the last 10 minutes. Clearly too late for any effective story development.
Combine that with the technical difficulties and some minor annoyances and you are left with what I can only call a dramaturgical train wreck.
Now ideally, you'd like to have different endings that fit your story. Clearly, MEHEM only deals with what I called the paragon way above. I would never claim that it's complete or a general fix. Even only for the paragon path it has plenty of issues (plot issues, again ignoring the technical side) but in my opinion the general mood and the overall resolution fits better into the rest of the game and especially the series. Is it a clever and engaging storyline? Surely not, it's simplistic and straight forward, that's what a happy ending is.

On a different but related note, I think WarrantyVoider has a good point. One of the main reasons I tried to make this mod was just to show that it can be done. The ME3Explorer group spent tremendous and impressive efforts to make tools to work with. Modding this game is no magic and it's not even very complicated anymore with all the tools we have by now (and which are still being improved on an almost daily basis). Anyone who has ideas should try their hand. I think it would be great to see many different projects emerge because the more variety in content we can get, the better it is for everyone. The means are available to everyone. Please go for it and use them.

Faust1979 wrote...
Maybe someone could create an anti MEHEM ending that expands on the metaphysical and deeper stuff somehow that would probably be even harder to mod though

Yeah, go for it! I'd be really and honestly interested - no excited - to see whatever you (or anyone else) can come up with.
By the way, while I am not sure about metaphysical and deep, I did try my hand at something like this in my very first project. It's called MEEM. Feel free to check it out and comment.

[Yate]

OP speaks the truth.

Sadly most ME fans aren't very mature.

at least the ones 'round here

Modifié par Yate, 28 janvier 2013 - 08:15 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Yate wrote...

OP speaks the truth.

Sadly most ME fans aren't very mature.

at least the ones 'round here

quod erat demonstrandum

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 28 janvier 2013 - 10:06 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Faust1979 wrote...

Talk about dumbing something down, it leaves you with nothing to think about and kinda ruins the tone of the story and it takes out any choice you have on how the game ends which is something that haters seem to complain about. Now this ending leaves you with an even more lack of choice.  I prefer the metaphysical thought provoking dark but kinda happy endings.

And I prefer that a company not end a 1980s style sci-fi-action RPG series with 2010 pseudophilosophical BS. It needed to end with Michael Bay explosions and the hero an LI flying off into the sunset. Cheesy? Yes. But so was the dialogue at times, especially if you tallied the number of CSI and Arnold moments over the course of the series.

MEHEM cut out the pseudophilosophical BS. It's still not perfect, but it got rid of the most offensive part of the game IMO. Why isn't it perfect? Well that would require rewriting the entire Priority Earth, and that's something way beyond the capability of a mod.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 28 janvier 2013 - 10:56 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Yate wrote...

OP speaks the truth.

Sadly most ME fans aren't very mature.

at least the ones 'round here

Says the one coming onto the Fan creations forum and calling everyone who likes MEHEM immature.

Lolirony.

[Iakus]

Yate wrote...

OP speaks the truth.

Sadly most ME fans aren't very mature.

at least the ones 'round here

You're around here.

Just sayin'

[someone else]

OP - thank you for your opinion. Don't play the mod. Enjoy your "deep metaphysical thoughts" somewhere. Preferably in a galaxy far away....

[Spiritwolf1]

I don't think anyone should be put down for liking the ending, whatever it may be, the ECm the MEHEM or anything. Every has their own opinion and people need to accept that. What I think is rude is knocking the actual making of the MEHEM.I think they deserve some credit for using their imaginations and creating these thing. I liked the EC and I have liked most of the MEHEM's that I have seen,

[Fawx9]

magnetite wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Talk about dumbing something down, it leaves you with nothing to think about and kinda ruins the tone of the story and it takes out any choice you have on how the game ends which is something that haters seem to complain about. Now this ending leaves you with an even more lack of choice.  I prefer the metaphysical thought provoking dark but kinda happy endings.

I'm with you on this one. I actually like the mystery and wonder that sci-fi brings. I like to have things to think about create wonderful discussions. Instead of the devs spoon feeding me all the answers on a silver platter. Any ending other than bittersweet (eg. MEHEM) would be a betrayal of everything the Mass Effect franchise is about.

The devs said this themselves. No truly happy endings. This isn't Barney, or a Disney movie after all. It's a war story where the main theme was about sacrifice and heroism. Mass Effect 3 tells this theme very realistically, given the circumstances (hyper advanced machine race coming to harvest all the primitive organic races).

I love how a reunion scene apparently makes it a Disney ending. Last I checked that would happen in 50% of all high ems destroy playthroughs anyways.

This mod just puts it on screen.