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[rmp]

I despise mideval fantasy settings with guns.

[paranoid_marv]

Although I don't think that guns fit DAO at all, I think guns and fantasy can mix. A steampunk/fantasy RPG would be amazing.

Nothing is distasteful from the get-go. It depends on the execution and how well it's balanced with fantasy gameplay. It also makes fore a great dynamic. Those who have the gift of magic have the greatest power and can rule over those without magical skills. Science and engineering are the tools of the ungifted.

Imagine flint lock pistols, muskets, and even revolvers clashing with lightning and fire. It has Tolkien cliche written all over it and I guess it sounds like that Warhammer game but if any dev can make more out it, it's Bioware.

Modifié par paranoid_marv, 09 janvier 2010 - 03:05 .

[Spartansfan8888]

Fexelea wrote...

Wisewulf wrote...

Gun's in a sword & sorcery game will be a total disaster and would be a distasteful combination.

Tell that to Fable 2!

Fable 2 is the only reason I bring it up because I LOVED how they integrated the flintlock and other early pistols and rifles in with swords and magic.  I agree with others that for Fereldan and the outlying areas the development of guns is unreasonable to think of... but for the dwarves who cannot use magic and the quinari who do not accept it they seem like reasonable developments at least to me and could prove tough to defeat if the quinari decide to launch another military campaign.  I just thought it might be interesting, especially if it was a dwarf only specialization to make up for how they can't use magic.  Well that's my rant lol. 

[SarEnyaDor]

If DAO follows our universe at all it will be a couple o' three more ages before the Qunari manage to shrink those cannons down into handheld rifles/pistols.

[Sloth Of Doom]

addiction21 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

The Qunari having cannons makes some sense, if what Sten says about Qunari mages is true. Lacking the firepower of a mage, the Qunari would have reason to explore a technological way of producing ranged destruction. As stated earlier in this thread, however, the existence of cannons dos not mean that personal firearms need exist, or indeed make an sense.

More like something that allowed a mage to channel and focus their power into to deliver a blast that was stronger then the magic they put into it. Just slips my mind atm.

....wands?

[Sloth Of Doom]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

If DAO follows our universe at all it will be a couple o' three more ages before the Qunari manage to shrink those cannons down into handheld rifles/pistols.

There is also the considration of the Qunari honour system.  Would they even consider using firearms as personal weapons?  From all we can tell so far they don't have a 'serf' or 'common' class that participates in battle to dilute thier 'sword honour' society.

[addiction21]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

The Qunari having cannons makes some sense, if what Sten says about Qunari mages is true. Lacking the firepower of a mage, the Qunari would have reason to explore a technological way of producing ranged destruction. As stated earlier in this thread, however, the existence of cannons dos not mean that personal firearms need exist, or indeed make an sense.

More like something that allowed a mage to channel and focus their power into to deliver a blast that was stronger then the magic they put into it. Just slips my mind atm.

....wands?

lol smartass

They breach loaded something I would say is very similiar to lyrium so it was a little more then wands. Breach load for those that do not know think of a double barrell shotgun where you place the round at the back of the barrell instead of in a chamber or clip. (I guess I shoulda mentioned this the first time)
And if the internet suddenly implodes thats my bad everyone. I am tearing thru it atm the moment trying to find what this was. 28 allready I am having memory lose and have carpel tunnel

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

There is also the considration of the Qunari honour system.  Would they even consider using firearms as personal weapons?  From all we can tell so far they don't have a 'serf' or 'common' class that participates in battle to dilute thier 'sword honour' society.

I see that as a very good possiblity honestly. Maybe if they had another caste that had some "pew pew honor" that would be the gun users

Modifié par addiction21, 09 janvier 2010 - 03:24 .

[SheffSteel]

Why not guns?

Why not psionic powers, aliens, dinosaurs, time travel... ?

[Iris562]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

 Guns being a weapon specialization... obviously they would be powerful but slow to reload and you could have bayonet skills to make up for it.  

Not trying to be rude or anything, but this made me giggle.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

I hate it when people suggest the idea of bringing guns to a fantasy universe and someone always brings it up.

[empetus]

I play rpgs for their traditional fantasy elements - wizards, magic, swords, shields etc. And not for guns or any other advanced technology.



I play first person shooters when I want to play a game with guns, they are made for that purpose and make the entire game around the premise so it works well.



A mixture is not something I would ever be interested in playing.

[Iris562]

Hehe, if Dragon Age gets guns, then Call of Duty shall get Nugs of Doom.

[Noobius_Maximo]

Yes. Let's make this game like MW2, to get all the ten year old kids to play!



/Sarcasm

[Jawa Bane]

It would simply not fit Dragon Age. It was somewhat acceptable in Fable 2 but I still would liked it better if they took guns out of it.

[Norman Ellis]

if guns were to be introduced into Dragon Age, i guess it would be the dwarves who will be bringing it. think about it, they don't have the firepower of mages and to make up for it, i'm sure someone from the Smith Caste will be researching into this. maybe they find a way to make Lyrium explode, making a blade accidentally fly and imaple someone. and that would be the start of it. they'd discover that it's more powerful and deadlier thn aroows and they can  take out a ton of darkspawn faster with it.

guns would just be the beginning, pretty soon the dwarves would be reseacrhng dynamites, bombs, and possibly rocket launchers in the game. then we'd have cannons, we'd have missiles and soon we'd have weapons the power of a nuclear bomb in the game.

alright, no guns in DA:O then.

Modifié par Norman Ellis, 09 janvier 2010 - 12:39 .

[Few87]

If you want guns go and play Arcanum (which is awesome). In fact bioware why dont you get the rights to it and make arcanum 2!

[Herr Uhl]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

If DAO follows our universe at all it will be a couple o' three more ages before the Qunari manage to shrink those cannons down into handheld rifles/pistols.

There is also the considration of the Qunari honour system.  Would they even consider using firearms as personal weapons?  From all we can tell so far they don't have a 'serf' or 'common' class that participates in battle to dilute thier 'sword honour' society.

Is it really "sword honor" or is it just honor in being a warrior. If the warriors would use guns, they would probably be as clingy to them.

Edit: Ergo, there is no glory and achievement in being a warrior, you simply are a warrior.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 janvier 2010 - 12:59 .

[Behindyounow]

Of course. Tolkien didn't use guns, so everyone copies him, and everyone copies his copiers on and on and on.



Guns dont kill fantasy... At least, the early low tech ones. Whenever someone mentions guns everyone assumes they mean the fully automatic death machines of today.

[Herr Uhl]

Behindyounow wrote...
Guns dont kill fantasy... At least, the early low tech ones. Whenever someone mentions guns everyone assumes they mean the fully automatic death machines of today.

I think it was Churchill that said that longbows were not outmatched by guns until the first world war.

[Lord Phoebus]

Guns would be worse than bows, x-bows unless they were breach loaders. Guns didn't replace bows because they were better but because they could be mass produced, you only need a few weeks of training to learn how to use them as opposed to a lifetime of training to be able to use a 120 lbs+ draw weight bow. Bows had better penetration and accuracy until the invention of the rifle and even then still had a higher rate of fire.



So if they did introduce early firearms they would be weak and very slow and no one would use them.

[Inhuman one]

guns are for those that are too incompetent to use a bow.

[Nuclear_Pony]

Oh please no, no guns. It's very out of place in this setting >.<

[AntiChri5]

Guns were not implemented well in Fable 2. I found a revolver rifle that was used by a bandit to terrify people two hundred years ago, yet for some reason it was one of the best guns in the damn game.

[Scoon millar]

the only game i liked that had guns mixed into a fantasy setting was shadowrun on the snes and even that was future based but still worked

[Lord Phoebus]

Scoon millar wrote...

the only game i liked that had guns mixed into a fantasy setting was shadowrun on the snes and even that was future based but still worked

PnP shadowrun is probably the best balanced RPG system I've ever played.  Shame it would never work as a CRPG since combat is just too lethal.