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[traversc]

The genetics aren't very different at all between humans and chimps or bonobos, compared to some hybrids out in nature that are possible, but if it were possible, let's face it: it probably would've happened by now, as unpleasant a thought as that is.

Except for this one thing: you don't know that. (What do you think bigfoot is?



Anyway, very well written post otherwise. As a masters student in genetics, I think you are spot on. If heredity in DA:O is at all relatable to real life (which admittedly is an assumption), then there is indeed something strange going on with Elven genetics. Even if Elven phenotypes are somehow all recessive (which is pretty much impossible), that still doesn't explain why F2 or back-crosses don't produce a mix of elven and human traits. I do hope David Gaider comes back and gives us a detailed explanation. I do love DA:O lore.

[CallumMcManus]

CptPatch wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

According to in-game lore the elven phenotype does not breed true when crossed with that of other races. Therefore the offspring of a human and an elf has a purely human genetic structure.

The only reason you expect half-races is the common D&D-centric thinking that so many forum goers seem to have.

Not really.  I think it probable because of how Genetics works.  When you mix two distinct, but similar species, there is always some characteristics that carry over from both parents.

The game does, in fact, start to delve into the results of mixing species.  You see it with.... Rats; that's SPOILER info.

Anyway, there _are_ some mixed species results that are distinctly different from either parent.

i think it wud of been great eg. dwarf and leliana wud be like a ginger half breed would f been very cool to have in the game oh well we might never know


Callum McM

[CallumMcManus]

traversc wrote...

The genetics aren't very different at all between humans and chimps or bonobos, compared to some hybrids out in nature that are possible, but if it were possible, let's face it: it probably would've happened by now, as unpleasant a thought as that is.

Except for this one thing: you don't know that. (What do you think bigfoot is?

Anyway, very well written post otherwise. As a masters student in genetics, I think you are spot on. If heredity in DA:O is at all relatable to real life (which admittedly is an assumption), then there is indeed something strange going on with Elven genetics. Even if Elven phenotypes are somehow all recessive (which is pretty much impossible), that still doesn't explain why F2 or back-crosses don't produce a mix of elven and human traits. I do hope David Gaider comes back and gives us a detailed explanation. I do love DA:O lore.

i agree its cool and there are so many arguments lil letdowns (not to do with story line ) but we want other breeds like eg.Demons - Human and darkspawn bred (probz wudnt hapen like)


Callum McM:wub:

[Arttis]

JTBehnke wrote...

Iris562 wrote...

To tag on my prievious comment, that wasnt a jab at the dwarves per sey, more of a Elves have always seemed very picky when it comes to traditions and looks and romance; I mean hey, if an elf wants a dwarf to be the father/mother of his/her kid, that's their choice. xD Just nothing I've seen in fantasy or anything would lead me to believe Elves mating outside of other Elves, with the occasional Human exception.

That's true.  Most elves don't like breeding with humans since that's a one-way road to extinction.  It's why the Dalish are so reclusive, and why the Alienages arrange the marriages of the elves that live there with elves from other Alienages.

There's also a reason why we don't see half-dwarves of either human or elven stock.  Aside from the Warden, who doesn't really have much choice but to date a human or elf, most dwarves think that they're superior to the surface peoples.  Just the thought of having a romantic relationship, or worse, a sexual one, with a human or elf would probably make the average dwarf go sheet-white with horror.

Who says an elf can not have a few elven children and a couple human children.
Not a one way road unless you only think you can have only 1 child.

[ShadyKat]

I'm glad Bioware left out half breeds. I'm for one kind of sick of the whole "Half Elf" archetype. It's been done to death.

[WhyIsThisNecessary]

They all died.

[Arttis]

Lets try Dwarves and nugs.You probably all agree it has been attempted in the game behind our backs.The shapers washer told the dwarf commoner she would sooner lie with a nug.Proof enough?

[Phaelducan]

A half-elf is no different than a half caucasian. Just because half your genome belongs to one type of parent and the other to a different type of parent doesn't make you a distinct species.

[Aulis Vaara]

traversc wrote...

Even if Elven phenotypes are somehow all recessive (which is pretty much impossible), that still doesn't explain why F2 or back-crosses don't produce a mix of elven and human traits. I do hope David Gaider comes back and gives us a detailed explanation. I do love DA:O lore.

Back-crosses don't happen for people, traversc, it only works for plants, kids never sleep with their parents, except in some rare sick twisted cases.

And I figured only the external characteristics were recessive, but you do have a point on them not randomly emerging here and there. But then again, I suppose the human/elven babies are rare enough for it simply never to have occurred, or that when it did occur no-one thought it strange, or they thought it a miracle. Thedosians don't know anything about genetics, afterall.

And it would be a great origin to start out as an Elvenblood, everyone despising you for who you are, so that when you join the wardens, you finally have a real home.

[Koross]

Just something to add, if you talked to Bodahn in the party camp and managed to get him to talk about his past, then you might learn that he did mention about marrying or falling in love with a woman in Denerim. He fails to mention whether she was another surface dwarf or a human. However, he did state that having a child with her was impossible. Whether this tidbit of info adds to the dwarf and human inter mating produces a child or not is highly debatable. But I think it is a nice bit of additional info if you want to use it.



If I sound confusing above, what I mean to say is that IMHO he implies that he can't get a child because the woman he is in love with is a human/ non-dwarf. Of course, I might be incorrect altogether because we are not privy to all the facts.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

That's bit harsh, SoD, but my sentiments are similar. I'd have perhaps chosen 'unsavory' as opposed to lame.

Yeah, but you have to be nice, you have a fancy blue lable.   I have to be a dick because it keeps my inbox full of ineptly structured messages that contain more cursewords than a dockside bar in Boston.

I remember I got a message, with quite a bit of swearing awhile back, after I told someone on here they didn't need to use caps all the time.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Also I wonder what a child of a dwarven player might turn out like. Would it be half-dwarf or one race or the other.

Modifié par ZaroktheImmortal, 21 juin 2010 - 12:09 .

[Jestina]

Elves are magical beings from mythology. You can't really explain them with real world science...though it is amusing when people try to do so.

[NKKKK]

What Davis is basically saying is that Elf-blooded humans are nearly indistinguishable from humans (considering Alistair MIGHT be one), so it's not a big deal and can mostly be ignored.



They were too cheap to implement half-dwarves (and horses for that matter), luckily they are more rare (apparently horses are rare in Fereldan too)



That's it.



What about Half-Qunari?

[Arttis]

Every non-qunari that mated with a qunari died painfully.

Sadly it is unknown whether or not they can have a baby.

[dielveio]

I'm very happy with dragon age as it is. No half-races.

Can you imagine a half-dwarf?

[Jestina]

To get a half dwarf you'd need a very sturdy saw.

[Arttis]

Jestina wrote...

To get a half dwarf you'd need a very sturdy saw.

Great we found our answer.

[Ghost-Sniper]

Apart from the fact that you revived an 6 months old thread (o.O, how did you find it?),

David Gaider answers the question at the beginning, namely that it would mean alot more work, almost impossible. That's also the reason we ain't getting a downloadable origin, it can't be done because it's to much work. Same for that the PC doesn't speak.



But, that doesn't mean i won't like to see a halfbreed race in DA:O 2. I would like to see a Qunari/dwarf.. (o.O again...)

[_-Greywolf-_]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

That's bit harsh, SoD, but my sentiments are similar. I'd have perhaps chosen 'unsavory' as opposed to lame.

Yeah, but you have to be nice, you have a fancy blue lable.   I have to be a dick because it keeps my inbox full of ineptly structured messages that contain more cursewords than a dockside bar in Boston.

Does anyone else find this pretty sad? You resort to being a dick because you crave attention and you dont care whether it is good or bad?