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[MacGarrus]

It's the most idiot proof rifle, tied with the Indra. It still has its' uses.

[Deerber]

Air Quotes wrote...

_sigge_ wrote...

I say lower it's out of scope penalty with a big chunk, give it one more shot in mag and we've got a contender.

 

I say a 10% damage buff and a 300% headshot modifier. 

I would support this, yes.

[aruguren]

I don't use it because it does nothing if not a Infiltrator, and with Infiltrator... well, there are better options.

[megawug]

Yeah, most of the sniper rifles got buffed to compensate for the TC fiasco. Except for the Valiant, so now it kinda sucks.

Modifié par megawug, 26 janvier 2013 - 03:16 .

[vonSlash]

Air Quotes wrote...

Remember when it was the most desired weapon ouf of all promotional ones? Would a 10% buff make any difference? It was about equal to Black Widow, but now it's outclassed pretty hard.   

Once they added Platinum, where the Valiant isn't so useful, people stopped caring about it. A levelled Valiant should still be an excellent choice for a Gold game, though. As for the comparitive damage, the Black Widow is much heavier (and honestly, a bit rarer), so it should deliver somewhat better performance than the Valiant.

Modifié par vonSlash, 26 janvier 2013 - 03:58 .

[lfc19titles]

I use my Valiant X because well I like it, it can be used on plat, I use that on my krogan soldier or indra sometimes

but I agree with an INF, despite its cooldown there is really no point using it ahead of a couple of other sniper rifles

[mokachino]

I have it at IX. I also have the Javelin X. There's no reason why I would take the Valiant over the Javelin

[me0120]

I would prefer an encumbrance reduction. Don't make it more like a Black Widow. I feel like making it closer to an Indra would cause less overlap and give it a "choose your style" feel, instead of a "LOL why take Valiant I have BW, DPS all the way bro!" feel.

[Mahrac]

A buff would make no difference to me, I just can't snipe to save my life.

And guess what I got this weekend:sick:

Modifié par Mahrac, 26 janvier 2013 - 05:34 .

[CNevarezN]

I got a V 7. I should start sniping considering that I have an abundance of sniper amps.

[Destructo-Bot]

Air Quotes wrote...
Well that's the point. Black Widow actually kills mooks AND bosses faster. 

1 shots is what you need most of the time, while with Valiant sometimes you require all 3. Even with headshots. 

You are looking at the Valiant in the same light as the BW and expecting the gun to be the majority of your damage output. You need to look at the Valiant as an ammo power delivery system and concentrate on tech burst with it. AOE damage > single target damage. Throw on both piercing mods to hit multiple targets in a fresh spawn, then detonate disruptor/incendiary ammo with a proxy mine and repeat to clear spawns. Clean the bosses up with headshots (they'll still be under the proxy debuff.) The only thing you should be KILLING with headshots is bosses. Headshot the mooks for the damage bonus, but get the kill with a tech burst.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 26 janvier 2013 - 06:05 .

[me0120]

Air Quotes wrote...

me0120 wrote...

I would prefer an encumbrance reduction. Don't make it more like a Black Widow. I feel like making it closer to an Indra would cause less overlap and give it a "choose your style" feel, instead of a "LOL why take Valiant I have BW, DPS all the way bro!" feel.

 

A small damage buff and better headshot modifier would give it a niche as a specialized anti-mob sniper. 

So it would be no better than the Black Widow against mobs and a lot less good against bosses?

I am of course thinking Phasic rounds or Disruptor rounds are being used, since without those neither gun will one-shot headshot mooks on Gold/Plat.

[Deerber]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...
Well that's the point. Black Widow actually kills mooks AND bosses faster. 

1 shots is what you need most of the time, while with Valiant sometimes you require all 3. Even with headshots. 

You are looking at the Valiant in the same light as the BW. You need to look at the Valiant as an ammo power delivery system and concentrate on tech burst with it. AOE damage > single target damage. Throw on both piercing mods to hit multiple targets in a fresh spawn, then detonate disruptor/incendiary ammo with a proxy mine and repeat to clear spawns. Clean the bosses up with headshots (they'll still be under the proxy debuff.) The only thing you should be KILLING with headshots is bosses. Headshot the mooks for the damage bonus, but get the kill with a tech burst.

You know what? I should really do a PUG with a predator X, score over 200k and then save the screenshot. It would make the perfect answer to soooo many posts...

[Destructo-Bot]

Theoretically the predator isn't a bad weapon... just hard on your fingers

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 26 janvier 2013 - 06:07 .

[BlackDahlia424]

Feneckus wrote...

There's no reason to use a non-Javelin sniper rifle.

This, honestly. With reload canceling, you can move between targets very quickly. And the Valiant still has a very high sustained DPS - which goes to show how incredibly overrated that stat is.

[Tyrannus00]

I think it's supposed to feel like an amped up Viper, it sure doesn't seem like it.

[BlackDahlia424]

Also, here's why it fell out of favor - before the Tactical Cloak nerf, snipers were the DPS kings of the game. Then TC took a pretty substantial nerf (warrented) and snipers became obsolete to the shotgun infiltrators as shotguns were just better weapons overall. Snipers in general were a fairly uncommon sight at that time.

Then they buffed many of the SRs to make up for the TC nerf - but they never touched the Valiant. So it was much better in respect to the other SRs pre-TC nerf than it is now.

[megabeast37215]

I have it at IX... I keep trying to like it... I keep trying to find a niche for it.... but I can't.

[Feneckus]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Reapers. 26 minutes.

How is that proof that it's a good gun ? Take a Javelin and finish the game in less than 20.

[kipac]

I think your every single post is about buff suggestion.

[HolyAvenger]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Also, here's why it fell out of favor - before the Tactical Cloak nerf, snipers were the DPS kings of the game. Then TC took a pretty substantial nerf (warrented) and snipers became obsolete to the shotgun infiltrators as shotguns were just better weapons overall. Snipers in general were a fairly uncommon sight at that time.

Then they buffed many of the SRs to make up for the TC nerf - but they never touched the Valiant. So it was much better in respect to the other SRs pre-TC nerf than it is now.

 

Also, shieldgate nerf and Phasic rounds took away from its awesomeness. Before they existed it was a much faster mook killer than a Jav or BW or whatever.