I believe in you BioWare
Débuté par
Jadebaby
, janv. 26 2013 06:05
#176
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:23
ObserverStatus
-
- Members
- 19 046 messages
Don't believe in yourselves, folks from Bioware, believe in JadeShepard who believes in you,
Retour en haut
#177
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:36
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
-
- Guests
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Or because it hasn't existed for nearly a year now.
Hmmm, I wonder why? Was it because a particular company released a sub-par game and then stuck fingers in thier ears? And then others *cough* said they were whiny and didn't deserve anything?
Hmmm...
First of all that is your opinion and not fact. I happen to think ME 3 is a great game and you aren't changing my mind about that no matter how many insults you toss at me or at bioware. Second of all just because a video game doesn't turn out the way you were hoping doesn't mean you should be a giant douche to the people that made it or to the people that like it.
I feel the need to post the Bizarro version: I happen to think
ME 3 is a mediocre game and you aren't changing my mind about that no
matter how many insults you toss at me or at others. Second of all,
just because a video game turns out the way you were hoping
doesn't mean you should be a giant douche to the people that don't like it.
Modifié par J. Reezy, 27 janvier 2013 - 07:37 .
#178
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 02:38
TheRealJayDee
-
- Members
- 2 950 messages
bobobo878 wrote...
Don't believe in yourselves, folks from Bioware, believe in JadeShepard who believes in you,
Go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb! That's the Gurren-dan way!
Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 27 janvier 2013 - 02:44 .
#179
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 03:05
spirosz
-
- Members
- 16 354 messages
AresKeith wrote...
I believe in Harvey Dent
#180
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 04:15
Seival
-
- Members
- 5 294 messages
JadeShepard wrote...
I've been a Mass Effect fan for five years exactly now, first picking up the game a couple of months after release.
In this time I've had such wonderful experiences, Both in the game itself, and though meeting such a wonderful community here on the BSN. Despite what many, many people say from general observations. This is a great community and I'm proud to be apart of it. I think people just see what they want to see, and for most people the angry/trolling or frustrated comments just seems to linger, but there's a lot going on here that doesn't get spoken about. And if BioWare claim to be as in touch with their fanbase as they parade about, I'm hoping that they'll realise what a lot of people want.
I know that this might get hit immediately with, "not everyone wants that" or "plz no more ending stuff"...
But is it really that much to ask? I mean, what if BioWare do it right? You've already loved what they've created so far, why would such a "reveal" make you do a double-take on the company, when it should be reinforcing your trust in BioWare?
Oh and Choo-choo!
BioWare do realize what a lot of people want - final farewells for ME Trilogy without any change to the ending. So don't worry, a lot of people will get what they want.
For how long are you planning to keep bashing against the unbreakable wall with your "new ending stuff"? Till you got a headache?
#181
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 06:29
GreyLycanTrope
-
- Members
- 12 709 messages
Who the hell do you think we are?!
#182
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:04
Profanity Beaver
-
- Members
- 131 messages
I still haven't lost hope for them to deliver something great to us, even if it's not what we expect.
I just absolutley trust them to do the right thing, whatever that may be.
But my Shepard is a foolish idealist who chose synthesis, so what do I know...
I just absolutley trust them to do the right thing, whatever that may be.
But my Shepard is a foolish idealist who chose synthesis, so what do I know...
#183
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:09
PinkToolTheater
-
- Members
- 151 messages
Riding the hype train. I even made a BSN account - that's how hyped I am.
#184
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:13
Omega Torsk
-
- Members
- 1 548 messages
Thanks, but I'm still waiting for those drinks Jacob promised me as far back as ME2. Seriously, that guy is a sponge.BizkitRebellion wrote...
I have faith in Bioware that they will end the mass effect trilogy with a BANG
If everything fails and the dlc turns out to be terrible then we should meet at the bar.
Im Buying :innocent:
#185
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:14
estebanus
-
- Members
- 5 987 messages
How long time will you keep on necroing your own damn threads? Until you've got an army of stupidity and delusion?Seival wrote...
JadeShepard wrote...
I've been a Mass Effect fan for five years exactly now, first picking up the game a couple of months after release.
In this time I've had such wonderful experiences, Both in the game itself, and though meeting such a wonderful community here on the BSN. Despite what many, many people say from general observations. This is a great community and I'm proud to be apart of it. I think people just see what they want to see, and for most people the angry/trolling or frustrated comments just seems to linger, but there's a lot going on here that doesn't get spoken about. And if BioWare claim to be as in touch with their fanbase as they parade about, I'm hoping that they'll realise what a lot of people want.
I know that this might get hit immediately with, "not everyone wants that" or "plz no more ending stuff"...
But is it really that much to ask? I mean, what if BioWare do it right? You've already loved what they've created so far, why would such a "reveal" make you do a double-take on the company, when it should be reinforcing your trust in BioWare?
Oh and Choo-choo!
BioWare do realize what a lot of people want - final farewells for ME Trilogy without any change to the ending. So don't worry, a lot of people will get what they want.
For how long are you planning to keep bashing against the unbreakable wall with your "new ending stuff"? Till you got a headache?
#186
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:18
Ticonderoga117
-
- Members
- 6 751 messages
Seival wrote...
BioWare do realize what a lot of people want - final farewells for ME Trilogy without any change to the ending. So don't worry, a lot of people will get what they want.
For how long are you planning to keep bashing against the unbreakable wall with your "new ending stuff"? Till you got a headache?
Delusional much?
#187
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:31
3DandBeyond
-
- Members
- 7 579 messages
I view it like this. The endings we now have are about death and defeatism. The endings many want and feel the game was about was about life and rising above all that has happened. The former is about giving up and the latter is about growing up and meeting a challenge that lies ahead, knowing what has happened. If both are viewed in some way as artistic, the edge for me will always go to that which is about rising above the sadness that has been handed to you. Even if the so-called "happy" choice is viewed by others as less artistic than the defeatist, sadder one, the happier version still wins out for me-its art exists within what it says about the "human" (or organic) spirit. I believe in it.
So, it comes down to this, if I were given the ability to only create one of two works of art that would appeal to the masses which would I choose? And which do I think should be the one created? Do I want one that says "give up, give in, and get it over with and die doing it", the one that fills some people's crazy notion of balance and difficult choices-one that says "we have no real choice except to do x, y, or z and just live with it". Or would I want the one that says that people can rise up and rise above and do something better, something that is about the true human spirit-a version of art that speaks to the heart and says if we try, we can achieve.
I happen to believe in the ability of people to overcome adversity. I see way too much of a defeatist attitude in many that are against BW revisiting the ending. I see it in those that don't love the ending, but that seem to want to own it, as if that will make BW love them. I see it in the attitude of a lot of people that don't want BW to add to it because they think it means they're scamming us. It's all about POV. My POV is created by me. One ending says you can't change things that happen, gives in to some notion of fate. The alternate view is that fate is not something written in stone-we form the future and sometimes that's about picking which choices are available to us, not accepting the choices we've been handed by someone else.
I've seen some in this thread go into other threads and say there's no free will, no freedom, and they use this as a basis for why one choice or another is just wonderful-they then go onto describe it as some sort of utopian dictatorship, about as far from reality as I think it gets. I believe that is at the core of what is wrong here. Some can't see that people can ever do good or want good things to happen. Some only ever see the worst in people and they apply that to this game. But I see the game (if I go deep) as a real commentary on the human will and spirit. I think if you don't believe the human spirit can rise above adversity then you are way more likely to accept the endings as they are. But, I think if you believe it can, then you can never accept the endings as they are. This is an over-generalization, and many just see that as what the game is showing-the galaxy is feeble and unequipped to do anything else, but there are many that see this as how it is in real life-heroes don't exist as some have said. Well, I don't agree. I believe they exist all around us, but many are so jaded (sorry for the use, OP) that they refuse to see anything but the bad. I feel sorry for them.
They also do exist here. They use euphemisms to degrade people by calling them haters-so that by inference, the opposite means they can say anything they want because they are what, lovers? And a "hater" can never be viewed as saying anything nice because they are well, haters. Well, we are not labels. I am not a hater. I believe in free will. I believe in the good in people and that it will always win out-I think it can take a long time, sometimes, and I think bad can happen along the way. But, overall, I think eventually good things do happen, because people make them happen. And that's the other thing about this set of endings and the other kinds others wish for-this type of POV requires you do nothing. Giving up and giving in to a less than good thing requires nothing of you-you just give up. But, trying to overcome a certain death, choosing to stand up and fight, well that requires everything you have to give-you must act. Freedom and free will are the hardest things to strive for and achieve. Life is a struggle, always. But, it is those things you work the hardest for that provide the sweetest victories. You are far less likely to appreciate something that is given to you easily or that comes to you cheaply. But if you have to fight for it, if you have to work to make it happen, then you truly own it.
I believe Bioware can pull this off. I believe they want this game to be remembered for what it says about the indomitable spirit that exists within all of us. There are many paths open, and any one of them outside of what we now have would prove that to be true, but they too would have to work to get there. They can do it, if they tap into their inner spirit. And if they do it, they will own what they have created. We all will own it, too. Because all of us will have worked together to help define it-even those that don't agree with me. Every voice holds some truth.
So, it comes down to this, if I were given the ability to only create one of two works of art that would appeal to the masses which would I choose? And which do I think should be the one created? Do I want one that says "give up, give in, and get it over with and die doing it", the one that fills some people's crazy notion of balance and difficult choices-one that says "we have no real choice except to do x, y, or z and just live with it". Or would I want the one that says that people can rise up and rise above and do something better, something that is about the true human spirit-a version of art that speaks to the heart and says if we try, we can achieve.
I happen to believe in the ability of people to overcome adversity. I see way too much of a defeatist attitude in many that are against BW revisiting the ending. I see it in those that don't love the ending, but that seem to want to own it, as if that will make BW love them. I see it in the attitude of a lot of people that don't want BW to add to it because they think it means they're scamming us. It's all about POV. My POV is created by me. One ending says you can't change things that happen, gives in to some notion of fate. The alternate view is that fate is not something written in stone-we form the future and sometimes that's about picking which choices are available to us, not accepting the choices we've been handed by someone else.
I've seen some in this thread go into other threads and say there's no free will, no freedom, and they use this as a basis for why one choice or another is just wonderful-they then go onto describe it as some sort of utopian dictatorship, about as far from reality as I think it gets. I believe that is at the core of what is wrong here. Some can't see that people can ever do good or want good things to happen. Some only ever see the worst in people and they apply that to this game. But I see the game (if I go deep) as a real commentary on the human will and spirit. I think if you don't believe the human spirit can rise above adversity then you are way more likely to accept the endings as they are. But, I think if you believe it can, then you can never accept the endings as they are. This is an over-generalization, and many just see that as what the game is showing-the galaxy is feeble and unequipped to do anything else, but there are many that see this as how it is in real life-heroes don't exist as some have said. Well, I don't agree. I believe they exist all around us, but many are so jaded (sorry for the use, OP) that they refuse to see anything but the bad. I feel sorry for them.
They also do exist here. They use euphemisms to degrade people by calling them haters-so that by inference, the opposite means they can say anything they want because they are what, lovers? And a "hater" can never be viewed as saying anything nice because they are well, haters. Well, we are not labels. I am not a hater. I believe in free will. I believe in the good in people and that it will always win out-I think it can take a long time, sometimes, and I think bad can happen along the way. But, overall, I think eventually good things do happen, because people make them happen. And that's the other thing about this set of endings and the other kinds others wish for-this type of POV requires you do nothing. Giving up and giving in to a less than good thing requires nothing of you-you just give up. But, trying to overcome a certain death, choosing to stand up and fight, well that requires everything you have to give-you must act. Freedom and free will are the hardest things to strive for and achieve. Life is a struggle, always. But, it is those things you work the hardest for that provide the sweetest victories. You are far less likely to appreciate something that is given to you easily or that comes to you cheaply. But if you have to fight for it, if you have to work to make it happen, then you truly own it.
I believe Bioware can pull this off. I believe they want this game to be remembered for what it says about the indomitable spirit that exists within all of us. There are many paths open, and any one of them outside of what we now have would prove that to be true, but they too would have to work to get there. They can do it, if they tap into their inner spirit. And if they do it, they will own what they have created. We all will own it, too. Because all of us will have worked together to help define it-even those that don't agree with me. Every voice holds some truth.
#188
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:32
KotorEffect3
-
- Members
- 9 416 messages
J. Reezy wrote...
That's because you look for trouble.KotorEffect3 wrote...
JadeShepard wrote...
In this time I've had such wonderful experiences, Both in the game itself, and though meeting such a wonderful community here on the BSN. Despite what many, many people say from general observations. This is a great community and I'm proud to be apart of it.
What community are you talking about? That isn't the community I've seen on here.
I don't have to look, it is right in front of my face. I will say this though, this forum isn't as bad as it was 6 months ago. It is still pretty toxic though.
Modifié par KotorEffect3, 27 janvier 2013 - 07:37 .
#189
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:34
3DandBeyond
-
- Members
- 7 579 messages
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Seival wrote...
BioWare do realize what a lot of people want - final farewells for ME Trilogy without any change to the ending. So don't worry, a lot of people will get what they want.
For how long are you planning to keep bashing against the unbreakable wall with your "new ending stuff"? Till you got a headache?
Delusional much?
The problem here is that Seival cannot make up his mind where he stands. He even has tried to assert that he backed and was a member of Hold the Line, a patent misuse of the truth. His Control ending support thread is proof to the contrary. He's one who believes that some sort of dictatorship is just great and that rounding people up on concentration camp like planets would be wonderful. I can't see any of this as good and the opposite of "hating".
#190
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 07:40
dreamgazer
-
- Members
- 15 742 messages
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Seival wrote...
BioWare do realize what a lot of people want - final farewells for ME Trilogy without any change to the ending. So don't worry, a lot of people will get what they want.
For how long are you planning to keep bashing against the unbreakable wall with your "new ending stuff"? Till you got a headache?
Delusional much?
I don't think he's entirely wrong: people want a send-off that doesn't muck with their established headcanon, the thing they've been forced to construct in the absence of true closure.
"Change to the ending" on a bigger, more literal level, however, is another story.
#191
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 08:04
Profanity Beaver
-
- Members
- 131 messages
dreamgazer wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Seival wrote...
BioWare do realize what a lot of people want - final farewells for ME Trilogy without any change to the ending. So don't worry, a lot of people will get what they want.
For how long are you planning to keep bashing against the unbreakable wall with your "new ending stuff"? Till you got a headache?
Delusional much?
I don't think he's entirely wrong: people want a send-off that doesn't muck with their established headcanon, the thing they've been forced to construct in the absence of true closure.
"Change to the ending" on a bigger, more literal level, however, is another story.
I can't even decide what my headcanon is! There's simultaneously too much ambiguity and too much closure to the endings for me to know what the hell I think!
#192
Posté 27 janvier 2013 - 08:24
ld1449
-
- Members
- 2 254 messages
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Seival wrote...
BioWare do realize what a lot of people want - final farewells for ME Trilogy without any change to the ending. So don't worry, a lot of people will get what they want.
For how long are you planning to keep bashing against the unbreakable wall with your "new ending stuff"? Till you got a headache?
Delusional much?
Oh you have NO idea on that one
#193
Posté 28 janvier 2013 - 02:18
Jadebaby
-
- Members
- 13 229 messages
NatP wrote...
Hey guys, Mike Gamble posted this on twitter a while back:
twitter.com/GambleMike/status/295018212951724033
I've read a lot of the feedback for our previous DLC, and we are constantly trying to improve. Stay tuned for what's next.
CHOO CHOO!
I thought Mike Gamble also said Choo-Choo!
.....
I am disappoint
#194
Posté 28 janvier 2013 - 11:03
Thore2k10
-
- Members
- 469 messages
yeah, that twitter post can mean anything and nothing...
hope they pack some narrative meat on their grande finale!
hope they pack some narrative meat on their grande finale!
#196
Guest_Arcian_*
Posté 28 janvier 2013 - 11:44
Guest_Arcian_*
Guest_Arcian_*
-
- Guests
Translation: HURR DURR NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO DISLIKE WHAT I LIKE!!!!111EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
What are you talking about? This community is a toxic wasteland full of degenerates who feel entitled and are never happy with anything Bioware does. They hang around here just to make life miserable for the rest of us, or so it would seem.
I'm here because I actually still love the series and want to talk about it with other people. But the threads that get the most replies are the self-serving ones. The ones that start as hate and end as hate, and then start again. It seems like people are more interested in ****ing and complaining on BSN than anything else.
#197
Posté 28 janvier 2013 - 11:46
Seboist
-
- Members
- 11 974 messages
Arcian wrote...
Translation: HURR DURR NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO DISLIKE WHAT I LIKE!!!!111EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
What are you talking about? This community is a toxic wasteland full of degenerates who feel entitled and are never happy with anything Bioware does. They hang around here just to make life miserable for the rest of us, or so it would seem.
I'm here because I actually still love the series and want to talk about it with other people. But the threads that get the most replies are the self-serving ones. The ones that start as hate and end as hate, and then start again. It seems like people are more interested in ****ing and complaining on BSN than anything else.
Indeed, this is a discussion board for all viewpoints, not a fanboy only circlejerk.
#198
Guest_Arcian_*
Posté 28 janvier 2013 - 11:51
Guest_Arcian_*
Guest_Arcian_*
-
- Guests
Also, Jade, you're going to die from Hype intoxication if you keep this up.
#199
Posté 28 janvier 2013 - 11:52
EpicBoot2daFace
-
- Members
- 3 600 messages
Arcian wrote...
Translation: HURR DURR NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO DISLIKE WHAT I LIKE!!!!111EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
What are you talking about? This community is a toxic wasteland full of degenerates who feel entitled and are never happy with anything Bioware does. They hang around here just to make life miserable for the rest of us, or so it would seem.
I'm here because I actually still love the series and want to talk about it with other people. But the threads that get the most replies are the self-serving ones. The ones that start as hate and end as hate, and then start again. It seems like people are more interested in ****ing and complaining on BSN than anything else.
Point. Missing it.
#200
Posté 28 janvier 2013 - 11:57
FlamingBoy
-
- Members
- 3 064 messages
KotorEffect3 wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
That's because you look for trouble.KotorEffect3 wrote...
JadeShepard wrote...
In this time I've had such wonderful experiences, Both in the game itself, and though meeting such a wonderful community here on the BSN. Despite what many, many people say from general observations. This is a great community and I'm proud to be apart of it.
What community are you talking about? That isn't the community I've seen on here.
I don't have to look, it is right in front of my face. I will say this though, this forum isn't as bad as it was 6 months ago. It is still pretty toxic though.
mate you try to start a fight where ever you go
